Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

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i don't see why you would think the league will pay too dollar for our players who have A. massively underperformed this year
B. admitted suffering from significant chronic health issues
C. are paid richly
D. are on the wrong side of 30

for real y'all temper your expectations. you will be disappointed with every trade return.
 

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I really do love Panarin, but I think it's time to move on.

we are not getting these prices yall. trocheck gets a 2nd and depth prospect. kreider gets a 2nd. lindgren gets a 5th
Trocheck will get you more than a 2nd. Kreider will get more than a 2nd. I would give a 5th just to get rid of Lindgren

Vegas essentially gave up 2 1sts for Hertl
 

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i don't see why you would think the league will pay too dollar for our players who have A. massively underperformed this year
B. admitted suffering from significant chronic health issues
C. are paid richly
D. are on the wrong side of 30

for real y'all temper your expectations. you will be disappointed with every trade return.
While I think those original prices were lopsided in the rangers favor, you have gone too far in the other direction, unless there was some hyperbole going around. Elliotte already said teams would give up a lot for Trocheck, and I think Kreider gets at least a 1st+prospect. Lindgren at the trade deadline brings back a 2nd or 3rd+4th, something like that.
 

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i don't see why you would think the league will pay too dollar for our players who have A. massively underperformed this year
B. admitted suffering from significant chronic health issues
C. are paid richly
D. are on the wrong side of 30

for real y'all temper your expectations. you will be disappointed with every trade return.

Trocheck and Kreider return a 1st+ easily.

No one is going to take a few months in a shit situation more seriously than years of the contrary. Kreider is starting to play his way out of his f***ery anyway.

Kreider doesn’t have chronic health issues. Hes recovered. He had chronic effort issues.
 

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It’s a sellers market for established contracts on veterans with the cap going up as long as those are good contracts, and in the case of Trocheck and Kreider, they’re on good contracts.

Dallas wanted a 1st, top prospect, 2nd tier prospect for Brad Richards at the deadline and that’s along the lines of the package I’d expect for either with salary retention
 

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My interest in the big ticket free agents is very limited. Mainly because I think we're going to see some crazy contracts again. Especially with the cap going up.

I thought Skjei would be interesting last summer under the right terms. He is 30 years old... Nashville signed him to that huge 7 year deal worth 7M per year with a NMC. Ew. That team is in shambles. Toronto was so desperate they gave a 34 year old Chris Tanev a 6 year full NMC until hes 40. Good luck with that.

That's the optics I view a Gavrikov signing in right now. He turns 30 in the beginning of the season next year. Would I like to add him? Sure, under the right conditions. But you know some team is going to do it. They're going to give him 7 years +6M per year and I don't want to be the team that does. Call it Girardi/Staal PTSD, whatever. You generally have to be a real special player for that to work out. Pietrangelo is a guy you could look at and say that sort of deal has worked out real well. He was 30 when he signed. But again, special player. For each one of those good ones you can find a number of poor ones. The Marc Vlasic deal SJ gave him was destined to suck, that contract has hampered them for years. A bunch of deals like this have recently been signed by lesser players. I'd be curious to see how they look in a few years.

A guy like Chychrun? His injury history scares me, but he'll be 27 when his next deal starts. I can get behind a big deal there. But I'd be kinda surprised if he leaves Washington at this point. Glad we didn't trade our scraps for him like WSH did 😉.

Provorov? He'll be 28 in a week. Talent-wise is that a guy you want to pay big money to until he's 35? Eh, I don't know, I'm not sold. I think he could've been an interesting placeholder. The age here I'm not too concerned about... but again, talent-wise is that the guy you'd want to lock in and anchor a pair for 7 years? It'll likely carry trade protection too. I'm not thrilled. I'd like him under the right terms but I doubt he signs for anything less than 6 or 7 years.

Marcus Pettersson I have a similar opinion about. He'll be 29 when his next deal starts. He'd be a great target at the right term. That's a guy you can feel comfortable with pairing next to Fox. I'm not super interested in paying him until he's 36. He could be a guy though that maybe doesn't carry the same name recognition as the above two, so maybe he goes for less. I'd look at what guys like Forsling, Pesce, Lindell, etc.. just signed at around the same age... they got under 6M per. Maybe you can get Pettersson in the 5s. Again, don't love paying him until he's 36, but at that price it's a bit more acceptable.

Orlov might be the guy to look at this summer if he doesn't stay in Carolina. He'll be 34 next season so unless you're Toronto the term should be very minimal. Better for us, little commitment. He can still play. Short term stop gap.

Oliver Kylington signed for nothing with Colorado this past summer. He got injured at the beginning of the season. If the Avs don't re-sign him I'd gladly take him as a reclamation project. Near league minimum, zero risk. I'd have no expectations about him playing up in the lineup but maybe he grabs a spot on the bottom pairing.

I still like Matheson in Montreal as a trade target. Cheap deal with 1 year left after this season. 4.875M per. Anyone remember the last game they played against us he had that nice goal? Solid all around defenseman. He's got size, he can move the puck really well. I don't think the ask would be crazy. He'll be 31 in a month. You'll see good organizations make those sorts of moves where they don't necessarily have to go out and target the biggest fish. They target a guy flying under the radar that can add something to their team. That'd be Matheson for me.
 

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Also let it be known that I don’t think moving Trocheck is a good idea unless someone wants to get really dumb.
It’s that catch-22. He’s worth a lot in a trade because he’s so good. You can play him on the second or third line.

So it’s really only a question of how he will age and when we think the team will be pushing for a cup again. 2 years? Keep him. 4? Might be worth the futures haul we’d get in a trade.

Closest thing to a lead by example forward we have, even if his skill upside is limited.
 
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My interest in the big ticket free agents is very limited. Mainly because I think we're going to see some crazy contracts again. Especially with the cap going up.

I thought Skjei would be interesting last summer under the right terms. He is 30 years old... Nashville signed him to that huge 7 year deal worth 7M per year with a NMC. Ew. That team is in shambles. Toronto was so desperate they gave a 34 year old Chris Tanev a 6 year full NMC until hes 40. Good luck with that.

That's the optics I view a Gavrikov signing in right now. He turns 30 in the beginning of the season next year. Would I like to add him? Sure, under the right conditions. But you know some team is going to do it. They're going to give him 7 years +6M per year and I don't want to be the team that does. Call it Girardi/Staal PTSD, whatever. You generally have to be a real special player for that to work out. Pietrangelo is a guy you could look at and say that sort of deal has worked out real well. He was 30 when he signed. But again, special player. For each one of those good ones you can find a number of poor ones. The Marc Vlasic deal SJ gave him was destined to suck, that contract has hampered them for years. A bunch of deals like this have recently been signed by lesser players. I'd be curious to see how they look in a few years.

A guy like Chychrun? His injury history scares me, but he'll be 27 when his next deal starts. I can get behind a big deal there. But I'd be kinda surprised if he leaves Washington at this point. Glad we didn't trade our scraps for him like WSH did 😉.

Provorov? He'll be 28 in a week. Talent-wise is that a guy you want to pay big money to until he's 35? Eh, I don't know, I'm not sold. I think he could've been an interesting placeholder. The age here I'm not too concerned about... but again, talent-wise is that the guy you'd want to lock in and anchor a pair for 7 years? It'll likely carry trade protection too. I'm not thrilled. I'd like him under the right terms but I doubt he signs for anything less than 6 or 7 years.

Marcus Pettersson I have a similar opinion about. He'll be 29 when his next deal starts. He'd be a great target at the right term. That's a guy you can feel comfortable with pairing next to Fox. I'm not super interested in paying him until he's 36. He could be a guy though that maybe doesn't carry the same name recognition as the above two, so maybe he goes for less. I'd look at what guys like Forsling, Pesce, Lindell, etc.. just signed at around the same age... they got under 6M per. Maybe you can get Pettersson in the 5s. Again, don't love paying him until he's 36, but at that price it's a bit more acceptable.

Orlov might be the guy to look at this summer if he doesn't stay in Carolina. He'll be 34 next season so unless you're Toronto the term should be very minimal. Better for us, little commitment. He can still play. Short term stop gap.

Oliver Kylington signed for nothing with Colorado this past summer. He got injured at the beginning of the season. If the Avs don't re-sign him I'd gladly take him as a reclamation project. Near league minimum, zero risk. I'd have no expectations about him playing up in the lineup but maybe he grabs a spot on the bottom pairing.

I still like Matheson in Montreal as a trade target. Cheap deal with 1 year left after this season. 4.875M per. Anyone remember the last game they played against us he had that nice goal? Solid all around defenseman. He's got size, he can move the puck really well. I don't think the ask would be crazy. He'll be 31 in a month. You'll see good organizations make those sorts of moves where they don't necessarily have to go out and target the biggest fish. They target a guy flying under the radar that can add something to their team. That'd be Matheson for me.
If we can get Gavrikov on a 6-7 year deal, he could have his movement protection the first 4-5 years but he needs to be moveable on the back end.

I’ve like Walman since the beginning of the season but his stock is really high right now.

Orlov can be a stop gap but he can’t be getting big AAV. I know people make a big deal about over 30 but for me it’s 34-35 when you start seeing physical regression
 

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he IS our biggest problem imo AINEC

# 2 Lindgren at least has honest matter of wear + tear taking its toll
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MIKA
His contract is our biggest problem.

If you can't admit he's playing better since Christmas you are just a foolish hater and trying to defend your precious Kreider's (who also has played a bit better) by bagging on Z.
 
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Trocheck and Kreider return a 1st+ easily.

No one is going to take a few months in a shit situation more seriously than years of the contrary. Kreider is starting to play his way out of his f***ery anyway.

Kreider doesn’t have chronic health issues. Hes recovered. He had chronic effort issues.
i just think you're way off.

panarin would return a 1st. nobody else would. maybe if you squint you'll get a "1st rounder value equivalent" for kreider in a 3rd+prospect - in the same way that the borgen/3rd/6th is a 2nd equivalent.

lindgren will not get a 2nd or 3rd+4th. hes trash and it's known.

i mean really. 2 1sts and a high end prospect for both panarin and trocheck each? It's noncents. you're asking to be upset. there is a Rangers tax, Drury doesn't get full value, and i'm not convinced we are committed to retooling let alone rebuilding.

the reason Hanifin got what he got is because he's a high end Defenseman with a history of production. plus it's Vegas. Miller probably gets a 2nd + a 4th, he'd get the most after Panarin.
 

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i just think you're way off.

panarin would return a 1st. nobody else would. maybe if you squint you'll get a "1st rounder value equivalent" for kreider in a 3rd+prospect - in the same way that the borgen/3rd/6th is a 2nd equivalent.

lindgren will not get a 2nd or 3rd+4th. hes trash and it's known.

i mean really. 2 1sts and a high end prospect for both panarin and trocheck each? It's noncents. you're asking to be upset. there is a Rangers tax, Drury doesn't get full value, and i'm not convinced we are committed to retooling let alone rebuilding.

the reason Hanifin got what he got is because he's a high end Defenseman with a history of production. plus it's Vegas. Miller probably gets a 2nd + a 4th, he'd get the most after Panarin.

Kreider most certainly returns a first. Not even a debate considering his production, playoff pedigree and value contract good through next year.

The one who is off on this is you. It's not close.

Lindgren will get a 2nd+ at TDL. His type is always in demand come playoff time.

Panarin is a 1st plus multiple assets.

Miller..... eh..... not sure on him. He's a guy I trade for another team's disappointment.
 

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i just think you're way off.

panarin would return a 1st. nobody else would. maybe if you squint you'll get a "1st rounder value equivalent" for kreider in a 3rd+prospect - in the same way that the borgen/3rd/6th is a 2nd equivalent.

lindgren will not get a 2nd or 3rd+4th. hes trash and it's known.

i mean really. 2 1sts and a high end prospect for both panarin and trocheck each? It's noncents. you're asking to be upset. there is a Rangers tax, Drury doesn't get full value, and i'm not convinced we are committed to retooling let alone rebuilding.

the reason Hanifin got what he got is because he's a high end Defenseman with a history of production. plus it's Vegas. Miller probably gets a 2nd + a 4th, he'd get the most after Panarin.

Sean Monahan got a 1st last year . A rental
Monahan who had a significant injury history

Kreider easily returns that and then some. Ditto Trocheck.
 

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Could we see a scratch and trade later ?
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This seems pretty obvious from just watching the team and paying attention to them for the last 5 or so years. Trocheck has obviously been the only guy trying to bridge the divide. Panarin doesnt give a shit, and Meeka and Kreider are just sad to see another set of friends get shipped out of town. For the next year and a half until Panarin's contract is up these guys have the team hostage. Fox and Lafreniere can't step into the leadership roles pegged for them with these guys dominating the ices time and touches. Do us a favor and waive the NMCs if you're so unhappy with how things unfolded in NY.

I also wonder how Igor fits into all of the locker room dynamics.
Igor is closer to the younger core than the older guys. I’m told he is actually quite funny and texts the kids in broken English LOL
 

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Sean Monahan got a 1st last year . A rental
Monahan who had a significant injury history

Kreider easily returns that and then some. Ditto Trocheck.
Agree -- that's normal market value. But don't put it past Drury to get Drury market value. Other GMs know he's fighting for his job and will play hardball and I think they can alpha their way into Drury taking a below market value package.
 

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