Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[JohnC]

I'm pretty sure that if you started scratching a "star player" for an extended period of time, the NHLPA would be interested. You can definitely scratch them to send a message, even motivate them to play better. To scratch a player so he becomes so uncomfortable he waives his NMC, that I'm pretty sure would not fly.

What recourse would the PA have if you’re scratching the player for performance? If you’re not outright saying you’re doing it to force them out, then they wouldn’t really have a leg to stand on.

 

[LOFIN]

What recourse would the PA have if you’re scratching the player for performance? If you’re not outright saying you’re doing it to force them out, then they wouldn’t really have a leg to stand on.

What some people are suggesting is like scratching Zibanejad for multiple games. That's not performance based anymore, not with veteran players with that paygrade. At least not skaters, goalies could be different. It would be obvious, that the coaching staff/GM is trying to break the player to waive his NMC.

It hasn't happened in the league before, because it's simply unfeasible. I wouldn't actually put it past Drury to try it, but there probably would be consequences.

 

[bernmeister]

I'm pretty sure that if you started scratching a "star player" for an extended period of time, the NHLPA would be interested. You can definitely scratch them to send a message, even motivate them to play better. To scratch a player so he becomes so uncomfortable he waives his NMC, that I'm pretty sure would not fly.

you don't officially scratch to 'send a message'.
You officially scratch b'c your game is so subpar as to prompt the scratch.
The message is implied, and it comes with the territory

 

[LOFIN]

you don't officially scratch to 'send a message'.
You officially scratch b'c your game is so subpar as to prompt the scratch.
The message is implied, and it comes with the territory

Yes. Scratching for a game or two (note, on separate occations) is sending a message of poor performance. Scratching someone for multiple games is something more.

 

[bernmeister]

Yes. Scratching for a game or two (note, on separate occations) is sending a message of poor performance. Scratching someone for multiple games is something more.

NO
It is something more, yes, but that is irrelevant.
The justification for the scratch is poor play.
As long as that is in effect, the scratch is justified, even if continuous

As to getting the chance to demonstrate improved play, that is a matter of practice; the club does not have to accept/suffer bad player performance while he works it out. Also, it is the club who has sole discretion of interpreting if scratched player's game is now acceptable, no one else. This means you do have to give Zib 1x/wk or 3x/mo 'opportunity', but everyone goes through the motions and that's it.
If they have the balls they can within the rules push zib
like I said, chance wanting to up his career stats by playing again will prompt waive, but real incentive is not to explain to his little girl why daddy is not playing

 

[stan the caddy]

The gm and the coach should have been gone yesterday. Horribly managed team.

 

[haohmaru]

NO
It is something more, yes, but that is irrelevant.
The justification for the scratch is poor play.
As long as that is in effect, the scratch is justified, even if continuous

As to getting the chance to demonstrate improved play, that is a matter of practice; the club does not have to accept/suffer bad player performance while he works it out. Also, it is the club who has sole discretion of interpreting if scratched player's game is now acceptable, no one else. This means you do have to give Zib 1x/wk or 3x/mo 'opportunity', but everyone goes through the motions and that's it.
If they have the balls they can within the rules push zib
like I said, chance wanting to up his career stats by playing again will prompt waive, but real incentive is not to explain to his little girl why daddy is not playing

The repercussions of nastiness like this would affect the organization for years. That, coupled with the fact that they don't have anyone to replace Zibanejad, make this an absolutely ridiculous path.

Not to mention pretty much unprecedented in the sport and, as usual, unrealistic.

 

[bernmeister]

The repercussions of nastiness like this would affect the organization for years. That, coupled with the fact that they don't have anyone to replace Zibanejad, make this an absolutely ridiculous path.

Not to mention pretty much unprecedented in the sport and, as usual, unrealistic.

bold is yr unsubstantiated opinion
you are entitled to it but it is far from certain.
More likely any bad aftertaste is removed with new players coming in, youth replacing vets, etc

As to other players coming here in the future, fine if they want to and fine if they don't; they gotta come here like I said, recognizing the fans make the team possible, which provides for the players, and they recognize their place in that, or eff them

 

[toNYRico]

Laf is so uninspiring right now. Complete regression after signing his new deal. He’s absolutely on the table in any trade discussion if I’m Drury to reshape this team.

He doesn’t drive offense away from Panarin. He’s a liability without the puck. His finishing ability is non-existent. And why the f*** is his stick always up in the air?

You’d like to think he’d be one to elevate in spite of all the BS surrounding this team, take some ownership to turn this around, and show why’s he’s worn a C at every level he’s played at. Yet he’s folded and couldn’t drag an ant into a fight. Beta personality with average skillset.

Spare me the “you can’t trade Laf” hysteria.

 

[cheech70]

Mess would make a great GM if only because of his trash talk....he said Kaako has to do better a couple hrs ago. 17 and 18 not too shabby. If I was Vancouver I would want Edstrom as a add on. Berard will be good. Kreider half hearted interview seemed like an exit.

 

[McRanger92]

Ive seen real improvement from Zibanejad. Kreider still pretty meh. Trocheck is trying to be a leader but that top lines effort is nonexistent right now. Panarin needs to be off this team next, if were talking about core guys. At least Mika and Kreider have their uses on special teams.

Drury needs to be fired if he isnt going to replace Lindgren and possibly Miller. Miller has looked better with each game with Borgen. He still has lapses. Vaakanainen is better bottom pair D than Jones by a lot. The same guys make the same mistakes that end up in our net every game.

 

[noncents]

i've thought a lot about the turn this team took this summer, and i'm ready to say it.

we need goodrow back. he was the backbone. he was Atlas.

I'm sorry, Barclay.

I'm so sorry.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I have seen enough.

Based on this game vs the Caps I would move the following guys.

Zibs: performance-contract-soft
Laffy: effort-soft
Troc: age
CK: age-injury-effort
Fox: slow-out of position-soft-0 real goals in half a season
Lindy: poor performance-contract
Smith: extra picks
Vesey: extra picks

I would keep Schneider. I'm not sure about Kam because wee need size and speed.

 

[zlev]

we coulda did what Washington did this offseason. they picked up a couple good defensemen and look what it did for them. they have a really good top 4 and their bottom pairing isn't AHL players either. what a concept.

 

[NikC]

I'm done with these losers until they make a worthwhile trade. If the objective is to fix the season... then do something... if not... this is just an injustice to the fans.

 

[Siddi]

This thread has gone to shit.

Between Berns batshit insanity and people having no idea what an NMC entails. Just wooof....

 

[noncents]

This thread has gone to shit.

Between Berns batshit insanity and people having no idea what an NMC entails. Just wooof....

just man up and trade Zibs.

 

[stan the caddy]

They should hang Drury from the rafters considering they won't be hanging anything else anytime soon.

 

[effen]

It's not even about individual players, the top guys are all read+react players and it just makes them slow and flat footed, particularly when time and space is taken away. The mix is bad. Need more dumbass blinders on straight line guys.

60 goals given up in the next 10 games to drive the point home, then fire sale.

 

[McRanger92]

It's not even about individual players, the top guys are all read+react players and it just makes them slow and flat footed, particularly when time and space is taken away. The mix is bad. Need more dumbass blinders on straight line guys.

60 goals given up in the next 10 games to drive the point home, then fire sale.

No firesale coming. Just retooling for next season.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Mess would make a great GM if only because of his trash talk....he said Kaako has to do better a couple hrs ago. 17 and 18 not too shabby. If I was Vancouver I would want Edstrom as an add on. Berard will be good. Kreider half hearted interview seemed like an exit.

Yes because that’s what makes a quality general manager. The ability to shit talk his own players to the press.

Messier as stated repeatedly, wants to be gifted a job due to his cup win in 94.
He’s shown zero desire to put in the effort. To show he can actually be a gm, by you know working at Hartford or even being agm for a few years.

i hate being forced to defend drury.
The kakko trade was f’ing terrible.
But getting out from both good row and trouba with zero retention/buyouts and actually getting assets for them, is a huge positive.
Identifying that the culprits are 93/20 (8s already gone) is the correct answer.
Being willing to tank the year to fix the problem might also be the correct answer, that one is tbd.

Some of the problem is still Lavi giving way too much time to vets. But I don’t know if there’s any coach who has winning expectations and not rely on vets.

just man up and trade Zibs.

You mean trade the guy who can’t be traded unless he says “trade me”

 

[noncents]

No firesale coming. Just retooling for next season.

buyers market. some real borgens out there if you're willing to part with picks and prospects.

 

[McRanger92]

Mess would make a great GM if only because of his trash talk....he said Kaako has to do better a couple hrs ago. 17 and 18 not too shabby. If I was Vancouver I would want Edstrom as a add on. Berard will be good. Kreider half hearted interview seemed like an exit.

Kreider and Lindgren remain the obvious areas to change

 

[toNYRico]

Laf + K'Andre to Buffalo for Cozens + Power? Who says no?
Sign Chychrun as 1LD in the summer. Move Chytil to wing.

Chychrun-Fox
Power-Schneider ...would be a solid top 4 on the backend

 

[haohmaru]

Kreider and Lindgren remain the obvious areas to change

Is that what you took out of that game? I want KAM gone. I've seen enough.