Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

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[McRanger92]

Be like Chris Drury this holiday season, and dont let the Rangers horrible play ruin your Christmas!

 

[Synergy27]

I love all of these Kreider to Dallas proposals but who the f*** wants Kreider this year? The dude looks cooked.

I am preparing myself to be very underwhelmed by whatever we get back in any trade.

 

[TGWL]

Off-season training must have been open hockey with friends.

"Hey, just letting you know we had a good skate today. Rempe got about an hour on the rink. Zibanejad looks much stronger in the corners over-powering Kakko and Lindgren. Wishing Laf was here." -Kreids.

 

[McRanger92]

I love all of these Kreider to Dallas proposals but who the f*** wants Kreider this year? The dude looks cooked.

I am preparing myself to be very underwhelmed by whatever we get back in any trade.

I predict Kreider will be moved for futures to a contender, that will then be used to sweeten the pot in a JT Miller trade. There are some fairly legitimate concerns with JT, but I think the team's play has driven the front office to a point where they are going to work hard to make it happen. Miller is a Type A, intense guy, who will both get on and defend his teammates. If the Canucks reach the point where they have to trade him for the room, he should be a Ranger.

I liked what Avery said on Chiclets. K'Andre & Chytil for JT. Maybe a 1st rounder. I dont care that JT is 3. Mark Messier was 31 when they got him. he's a 90-100 point all sisutations player. If he's available you do what you need to get him. especially for a team lacking vocal and on-ice leadership.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I predict Kreider will be moved for futures to a contender, that will then be used to sweeten the pot in a JT Miller trade. There are some fairly legitimate concerns with JT, but I think the team's play has driven the front office to a point where they are going to work hard to make it happen. Miller is a Type A, intense guy, who will both get on and defend his teammates. If the Canucks reach the point where they have to trade him for the room, he should be a Ranger.

I liked what Avery said on Chiclets. K'Andre & Chytil for JT. Maybe a 1st rounder. I dont care that JT is 3. Mark Messier was 31 when they got him. he's a 90-100 point all sisutations player. If he's available you do what you need to get him. especially for a team lacking vocal and on-ice leadership.

No offense, but JT Miller is none of the things you are saying, he isn’t a leader, he is a cancer. He is a problem everywhere he goes and that is not the type of player personality you want to lead a team. No thanks on JT.
Also never compare JT to messier again

Those two should never be spoken in the same sentence in terms of leadership

 

[McRanger92]

No offense, but JT Miller is none of the things you are saying, he isn’t a leader, he is a cancer. He is a problem everywhere he goes and that is not the type of player personality you want to lead a team. No thanks on JT.

This team needs an asshole like that desperately. And Drury is interested. he was 2 years ago in a trade (which he shouldve made) and has spoken to the Canucks since the memo. Im sure he's worn out his welcome in Van but if he was such an ass why'd they give him a huge contract?

 

[TGWL]

This team has pissed me off so many years. I wish I could watch games and just be like "oh, well, they lost.", but I can't do that. However, this is really up there as one of the most disappointing years for me. They're a flawed team with unpatched holes, but even knowing that, I think I had higher expectations of what we were going to see during the games. The off-season is both exciting and scary when you think about how much change can take place, or needs to take place. We went from being a team with not a lot of available spots to a team that's going to have a lot of question marks around those spots, and potentially needing replacements.

When looking at the defense, we have 1 player that's probably safe. 1 player!
When looking at the core 3 (Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin), I don't think you can run this until next season. Something is going to change before that. Panarin brings the most back, but we've seen how this team performs when Panarin isn't going, and with no Panarin, you have to accept that if you only bring back futures without being able to sign a big fish like Rantanen (He's going to probably be out priced here in NY compared to elsewhere), then you're looking at taking an immediate step backwards until something comes from those futures, or you can fill spots to make the team better. If you can accept that the outcome will be a shitty team, then you can trade Panarin.

 

[mrmovies779]

I predict Kreider will be moved for futures to a contender, that will then be used to sweeten the pot in a JT Miller trade. There are some fairly legitimate concerns with JT, but I think the team's play has driven the front office to a point where they are going to work hard to make it happen. Miller is a Type A, intense guy, who will both get on and defend his teammates. If the Canucks reach the point where they have to trade him for the room, he should be a Ranger.

I liked what Avery said on Chiclets. K'Andre & Chytil for JT. Maybe a 1st rounder. I dont care that JT is 3. Mark Messier was 31 when they got him. he's a 90-100 point all sisutations player. If he's available you do what you need to get him. especially for a team lacking vocal and on-ice leadership.

This is awful.I would stay far away from Miller.I don't want his problems anywhere near the youth of this team/orginization.We need to be shedding veterans,not adding ones who are head cases

 

[McRanger92]

This team has pissed me off so many years. I wish I could watch games and just be like "oh, well, they lost.", but I can't do that. However, this is really up there as one of the most disappointing years for me. They're a flawed team with unpatched holes, but even knowing that, I think I had higher expectations of what we were going to see during the games. The off-season is both exciting and scary when you think about how much change can take place, or needs to take place. We went from being a team with not a lot of available spots to a team that's going to have a lot of question marks around those spots, and potentially needing replacements.

When looking at the defense, we have 1 player that's probably safe. 1 player!
When looking at the core 3 (Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin), I don't think you can run this until next season. Something is going to change before that. Panarin brings the most back, but we've seen how this team performs when Panarin isn't going, and with no Panarin, you have to accept that if you only bring back futures without being able to sign a big fish like Rantanen (He's going to probably be out priced here in NY compared to elsewhere), then you're looking at taking an immediate step backwards until something comes from those futures, or you can fill spots to make the team better. If you can accept that the outcome will be a shitty team, then you can trade Panarin.

The extent with which they've not only quit, but openly acknowledged that they've quit in the locker room postgame is insane to me. I've never seen anything like it. Talking openly that the team has no heart and they know they need to come with a better effort, but for whatever reason they dont. We need more player's whose only goal is winning and playing for their teammates. the way they hung their stars and Quick out to dry all game with no pushback is unacceptable. The roster thaw needs to get here soon.

This is awful.I would stay far away from Miller.I don't want his problems anywhere near the youth of this team/orginization.We need to be shedding veterans,not adding ones who are head cases

What are his problems? I don't want Panarin, Mika and Kreider's problems anywhere near our youth either!

 

[Fitzy]

Kreider, Zib, Vesey, Lindgren, Miller out

Panarin, Trocheck, Fox, Laf, Igor, Chytil, Cuylle, Schneider stay

That first line in my post is already a tall order, and I think it's sufficient to turn over a new leaf for this franchise without a full-stop rebuild.

The returns on the deals are, of course, essential. By season's end, Cuylle should be in the top 6, Chytil should be playing 16-17 if healthy. I'll pose some ideas later on for trade destinations.

 

[FUZfan]

Hasn't Miller missed games this season for "personal reasons"?

Anyone know what's going on with him?

 

[McRanger92]

Hasn't Miller missed games this season for "personal reasons"?

Anyone know what's going on with him?

No reason given really. seems to me like a team of softies who have never won anything dont like that their best player holds them accountable. Sounds familiar. That's what it looks like from afar. Im sure there's more to it. Rangers and Nucks can help each other out here imo. 100 point players dont become available in trades without some strings attached.

 

[FUZfan]

Why do people keep on believing that we're going to move guys with NMC's? It's not going to happen.

 

[leetch99]

I love all of these Kreider to Dallas proposals but who the f*** wants Kreider this year? The dude looks cooked.

I am preparing myself to be very underwhelmed by whatever we get back in any trade.

If we can get rid of him and turn his cap into Bennett or somebody younger in the same mold next season IMO....that is a win if we can do .. We need to add a couple of Bennett like guys in lieu of the Kreider types . If we don't.....they will run Perreault out of the rink .

Our RW's could be Bennett-Perreault -Berard -Rempe and LW's Laf-Cuyllee- Othmann -Edstrom .

Our Centers in no particular order .....Chytil-Tro-Zibs who will still be here and Carrick unless we have an upgrade on him .

A Panarin deal could fetch us a young C or a Dman . On D we have Fox-Miller -Schneider-Urho? and Mancini-? Borgen? playing a zone D . It stinks as currently constructed and also on that 6 I posted .

 

[FUZfan]

No reason given really. seems to me like a team of softies who have never won anything dont like that their best player holds them accountable. Sounds familiar. That's what it looks like from afar. Im sure there's more to it. Rangers and Nucks can help each other out here imo. 100 point players dont become available in trades without some strings attached.

So he wanted more out of his teammates and when he didn't get it he was like " Eff this, I'm not playing"???

 

[McRanger92]

So he wanted more out of his teammates and when he didn't get it he was like " Eff this, I'm not playing"???

Idk what the "personal reasons" were. I dont want to speculate about the guys personal life without knowing the facts. But Pettersson apparently hates Miller and Quinn Hughes hates the turmoil and Tocchet just wants everyone to suck it up and play better. Weird and untenable situation it seems. Kinda like ours. It's been an issue for years seemingly. I wish I knew a Canucks fan to explain it to me lol

 

[grachevsceiling]

Chytil in the top 6 *unfortunately*

 

[duhmetreE]

I doubt Panarin waives or the team even considers moving him.

Panarin Trocheck Laffy
Cuylle Chytil ???? Gabe?
Berard ????? Othmann?
Edstrom Carrick ?????

????? Fox
KAM Schneider
????? Mancini

We need 1-2 top9 RWers. Depending on Gabe and Othmann
A top9C or 2. Can't count on Chytil
A top4LHD.
and a solid vet 3LD.

all of them need to skate and not be afraid of contact. That's a lot of pieces but it's not impossible. Top2-4LHD is the biggest need IMO. Finding wingers and a center like Cuylle or Berard.

Get the horses... then a coaching staff that has a modern system.

 

[eco's bones]

I actually think the Rangers will hang on to Panarin and I don't really see him as a problem. If they do look for top end free agents or make a splashy trade over the summer you still have to sell that player on wanting to become a Rangers player meaning you need to have some kind of core in place that a player would want to come here. I think a lot of players would like to play on a line or a power play with Panarin.

To me this year's stagnation starts with Mika and his line playing like shit. That's been a constant throughout the year. So when Chytil got injured the 3rd line disappeared and then the Rangers turned into a team very easy to defend against. You need multiple lines that can attack or a very rock solid defense if you have hopes of making the playoffs......and once shit starts it can snowball and it snowed even more when Trouba got moved and our leadership decided to go into a funk.

Panarin to me is not the problem. It's Mika and it's Kreider......and Mika is the guy with a bunch of years still left on a costly contract that is the No. 1 problem we need to rid ourselves of for us going forward. But that also means the Rangers are likely to have a 2C problem for a while. There are multiple reasons for moving Kreider--1) to break up this thing between him and Mika which has turned detrimental and might motivate Mika to want out too but it also means finding a new leadership within the locker room 2) Kreider's should be an easy contract to move and give a retool a real boost with the players we get back. An acquiring team could have a known playoff producer for a possible 3 playoff runs at a team friendly cap hit as long as he gets his game back together. I think there will be teams that will bet he will. Any team watching Mika these days might look at him as just a cap dump and want assets to take him.

I did find it curious the Rangers sat Kreider and not Mika against the Devils.

It's also very hard for most players to perform well with a hammer hanging over their head. I think some of these players might look at going somewhere else as kind of a relief. Getting away from a tense atmosphere and to a new team where they'll just have to fit in and just play hockey without any of the noise they're getting now. Other GM's know this and will take advantage if you let them and rushing trades can come back to bite you when a player goes to a new team and gets his mojo back because he feels more secure and in a better situation. My guess is the Rangers locker room has become toxic and that's going to have an effect on how well players play.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

This team needs an asshole like that desperately. And Drury is interested. he was 2 years ago in a trade (which he shouldve made) and has spoken to the Canucks since the memo. Im sure he's worn out his welcome in Van but if he was such an ass why'd they give him a huge contract?

There’s self centered ashholes and then there are do anything to win ashholes.
I don’t think JT Miller is the second kind.

 

[TheWrongWay]

I am not a fan of trying to reinvent the wheel.

If I am building a roster and trying to build a championship-caliber team, the first thing I probably do is spend a few weeks doing an in-depth analysis of the last 5 Cup winning teams.

I’d want to know the common strengths and weaknesses of those teams from personnel structure and style of play standpoints, which should start to paint a decent picture of what my roster needs more or less of.

If I did that, I have to imagine a glaring almost must-have would be a team needing to be built out from a strong 1C.

Now and into the future, this team does not have one.

I’d be looking at how to get my hands on a good, young 1C. This likely requires moving major pieces to get it done. With other teams reluctant to move 1Cs, I may need to take a hit on the trade and an initial step backward. I’d be okay with that as a strong 1C seems like a necessary foundational cornerstone to building a winning team.

Until the NYR can find a way to make that happen, all other moves, to me at least, feel like ineffective roster rearrangement bandaid fixes unless those moves are necessary preceding moves working toward the 1C objective.

 

[McRanger92]

There’s self centered ashholes and then there are do anything to win ashholes.
I don’t think JT Miller is the second kind.

I think any team in the league would take JT on their team. He's a 100 point player. And one team's locker room is another team's treasure. No one should be surprised if he's the Rangers real top target. Brady T just isnt realistic imo.

 

[FUZfan]

I doubt Panarin waives or the team even considers moving him.

Panarin Trocheck Laffy
Cuylle Chytil ???? Gabe?
Berard ????? Othmann?
Edstrom Carrick ?????

????? Fox
KAM Schneider
????? Mancini

We need 1-2 top9 RWers. Depending on Gabe and Othmann
A top9C or 2. Can't count on Chytil
A top4LHD.
and a solid vet 3LD.

all of them need to skate and not be afraid of contact. That's a lot of pieces but it's not impossible. Top2-4LHD is the biggest need IMO. Finding wingers and a center like Cuylle or Berard.

Get the horses... then a coaching staff that has a modern system.

What are you doing with Meeka?

 

[will1066]

What are you doing with Meeka?

Buyout