Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[HFsNumber1Heel]

if we get a top 4 pick and don’t get one of Schaefer, Martone or Misa….

I wouldn’t mind Frederic but some team will overpay him. We can’t afford another overpaid bottom 6 player

My hypothesis is that the Rangers finish around 5-8 and one team wins the lottery and bumps them to the 9-10 range. If they got a top four even better and those are the guys.

Frederic would be used as a shutdown third line center and get prime minutes. Let the Trochek line run wild. I'd have Frederic/Carick as the bottom two and begin to work Laba in as a third liner.

I love Chytil but he's been 2002-03 Lindros careful since he's been back. That's not gonna fly and I'd look to deal him this summer.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

I hope Drury trades a bunch for JT so that when it inevitably blows up in his face, he gets fired.

And then the team can start over properly

Thing is, even after the implosion and firing, it's still highly unlikely the team will start over properly. They will continue to look for magic saviours rather than build an organization that finds & develops quality NHL players.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Thing is, even after the implosion and firing, it's still highly unlikely the team will start over properly. They will continue to look for magic saviours rather than build an organization that finds & develops quality NHL players.

There's a good chance a lot of these Drury picks become good NHLers.

 

[n8]

Stars have 10mil in cap space once they slide Seguin to LTIR. He’s likely done until the start of the playoffs anyway

It's a good point I wasn't aware of but you have to calculate how much of his salary they used up. Roughly 1/3 of his AAV

 

[kovazub94]

I dont understand the obsession with JT Miller...

Not obsession.

The most unsolvable issue in the current roster is Zibanejad. Vancouver seems to have a somewhat similar issue with JTM and all sides might possibly be open to try a swap.

Most likely it’s a pipe dream

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Not obsession.

The most unsolvable issue in the current roster is Zibanejad. Vancouver seems to have a somewhat similar issue with JTM and all sides might possibly be open to try a swap.

Most likely it’s a pipe dream

Ziba ain't gonna waive.

He should call up Brad Richards on how the later trained the summer of 2013 and use that info.

Fox is another one who better up his training this summer.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

He mostly talks about getting tougher. Many people on this board frown when people speak about the importance of toughness and hitting.

Alot of the new age tik tok hockey fans are truly clueless when it comes to what wins championships in this sports. You need a group of dirtbags. The corporate style player doesnt work

 

[RangersFan]

Miller was good here. While he blossomed elsewhere his playmaking while here was very good. He routinely made excellent passes as a youngster. No reason to think he wouldn't continue his current star production here (other than our team being cursed). You want Mika gone you do the dirtiest of deeds in trading his buddy. Let Drury take all the hits with the pissed off locker room. Then you fire Drury, problem solved.

 

[McRanger92]

I’d almost prefer to trade Miller to Schneider

Provorov-Fox
Orlov-Schneider
______-Borgen

Buffalo is desperate for RHD. Id love to deal Miller for Cozens but the Sabres dont need him

 

[McRanger92]

My hypothesis is that the Rangers finish around 5-8 and one team wins the lottery and bumps them to the 9-10 range. If they got a top four even better and those are the guys.

Frederic would be used as a shutdown third line center and get prime minutes. Let the Trochek line run wild. I'd have Frederic/Carick as the bottom two and begin to work Laba in as a third liner.

I love Chytil but he's been 2002-03 Lindros careful since he's been back. That's not gonna fly and I'd look to deal him this summer.

Boston likes Chytil. They wanted him for DeBrusk in the past. Id be willing to deal Chytil for Frederic and then talk extension. I love Filip but this Ranger team is not in position to be able to take on the risk that comes with his injury and role in the lineup.

 

[eco's bones]

If we're going to make moves now we'd be better going younger every time for roster players, prospects and picks. If we're talking picks and the 25 draft isn't deep enough aim more for 26. I think the Rangers are going to have plenty of cap space come July when free agency opens. That's when I think they should look more towards adding vets. If Marner and/or a Rantanen are available just one of them would be a huge pickup.

We also might see some guys from the farm pushing more---Othmann, Berard, Sykora, Mancini, Garand, Chmelar could all put themselves in the picture next season and if Laba signs he can too. Perreault I could see making the Rangers from the get go and ELC contracts make it much easier to manage a cap.

 

[n8]

My hypothesis is that the Rangers finish around 5-8 and one team wins the lottery and bumps them to the 9-10 range. If they got a top four even better and those are the guys.

Frederic would be used as a shutdown third line center and get prime minutes. Let the Trochek line run wild. I'd have Frederic/Carick as the bottom two and begin to work Laba in as a third liner.

I love Chytil but he's been 2002-03 Lindros careful since he's been back. That's not gonna fly and I'd look to deal him this summer.

I would avoid Frederic on price alone. He's going to get Ross Colton (4M AAV) money but I get the feeling he'll end up playing closer to a Tanner Jeannot. He'd be great if you could get him signed long term to a low $2.125M AAV

What do his fancy stats look like? He takes more penalties than he draws. Hits A LOT. 50/48 corsi/fenwick. Negative on-ice xG differential. 45% FOW% Besides hitting, he's not really hitting the metrics I'd look for.

 

[Guyute]

How about trading Schneider + for something young and useful then signing Ekblad as a UFA?

What do Ekblad’s stat charts look like?

 

[RangerBoy]

Agreed again. You also can't rely on Edstrom, Cylle, Berard, Othmann, Rempe types to be the teams muscle when they are still trying to get their NHL careers jumpstarted. You need veterans to back them up. Every team has them. But when they are suggested here, the pitchforks come out.

No one has to fight Tkachuk's battles for him. No one has to even fight Barkov's battles for him. It's a mindset and the rangers have had a piss poor one for a long time now.



Don't "high and mighty" me when you are leading the charge to get Fox out of town lol. Id be talking about Tkachuk the way I talk about Miller if he was in anyway attainable. The team needs more assholes.

For the last three seasons, it's all JT Miller. He is not changing the Rangers fortunes. JT will be 32 years old in March. He is signed until 2030 with an $8M cap hit. Where is the future with Miller? Keeping the mediocrity in place.

I would like to see the Rangers conduct a clear out. Get rid of basically everyone except for less than a handful of players. These players sabotaged their own season by being fixated about how the Rangers handled Goodrow and Trouba. It's time to go. Too many egos. Too many protection clauses. I think they realize that now but the Rangers have been hit by an avalanche and their season is spiraling down the mountain.

Fox worries me. His NMC kicks in July and the Rangers will be stuck with him for the next four seasons. People say he needs a reliable partner and they mention every fancy stat number in support of Fox. He needs a partner like Buekeboom. Really? If all of these numbers were available in the 1990's. Beukeboom would grade out as less than a replacement player. He wasn't a top D in Edmonton. He was a bottom pair D. #4 at best when Edmonton started clearing the decks. He wasn't a top pair D. He could barely skate. He would barely pass the puck. He had zero offensive game. He allowed Leetch to lead the rush and join the rush. Fox is not capable of that. He is good with the puck in the offensive zone. He is very good on the PP. Very smart. That's it. I just believe the Rangers need more from a $9.5M defenseman.

Fox needs a better D group around him like TB had. How are the Rangers acquiring all of those players? Fox's contract will be over by the time the Rangers find their Sergachev or Hedman or even Cernak. He should elevate the other D and not need three other D to help him out.

 

[RangerBoy]

Avery was plastered all over my instagram feed yesterday because of chiclets. I nearly rolled my eyes through the ceiling.

That podcast is annoying. Bissonette is annoying. He got beat up in a bar in Arizona. My initial reaction it's about time. Whitney is OK. Avery is a frequent guest. Avery is meeting with Dolan about becoming GM. Stupid stuff. Brooks socialized with Avery when he played for the Rangers. What was Larry thinking?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'm not sure most folks are advocating to add JT Miller by sending assets to the Canucks. It's trading Zib in a deal for Miller.

The Rangers aren't getting out of Zibs contract unless it's a trade like that. Almost identical cap hits, same age/term left. Key difference is Miller's contract is not buyout proof like Zibs.

 

[eco's bones]

There's a reason why it's not a great idea to go over to the trade board right now. Things can get really stupid there. I looked at an Ottawa proposal for Kreider which was bad and that's okay but it's some of the later comments that were really idiotic and it's very easy to get sucked into some really asinine argument.

If (when) Drury starts trading off some player or other it's going to be important for him to get good value. I don't think he did great with Kakko. This is shit that if he's getting continually underwhelming returns then you think about finding a replacement for him. I don't think it's great being in his shoes right now or that moving players out getting a good return is necessarily an easy thing but it's still his job. The fanbase is impatient with the team and want some players gone yesterday but rushing shit usually doesn't work out well. I think we should realize there isn't a fix that's going to turn this year around. It is lost and we should just let things process out at their own speed.

 

[UnSandvich]

There's a reason why it's not a great idea to go over to the trade board right now. Things can get really stupid there. I looked at an Ottawa proposal for Kreider which was bad and that's okay but it's some of the later comments that were really idiotic and it's very easy to get sucked into some really asinine argument.

If (when) Drury starts trading off some player or other it's going to be important for him to get good value. I don't think he did great with Kakko. This is shit that if he's getting continually underwhelming returns then you think about finding a replacement for him. I don't think it's great being in his shoes right now or that moving players out getting a good return is necessarily an easy thing but it's still his job. The fanbase is impatient with the team and want some players gone yesterday but rushing shit usually doesn't work out well. I think we should realize there isn't a fix that's going to turn this year around. It is lost and we should just let things process out at their own speed.

The problem with the trade board is that everyone there either thinks the Rangers players are utterly terrible and all 100% cap dumps, that the Rangers are in a window and trying to contend, or that the Rangers want to take their cap dumps for free.

 

[Crease]

There's a reason why it's not a great idea to go over to the trade board right now. Things can get really stupid there. I looked at an Ottawa proposal for Kreider which was bad and that's okay but it's some of the later comments that were really idiotic and it's very easy to get sucked into some really asinine argument.

If (when) Drury starts trading off some player or other it's going to be important for him to get good value. I don't think he did great with Kakko. This is shit that if he's getting continually underwhelming returns then you think about finding a replacement for him. I don't think it's great being in his shoes right now or that moving players out getting a good return is necessarily an easy thing but it's still his job. The fanbase is impatient with the team and want some players gone yesterday but rushing shit usually doesn't work out well. I think we should realize there isn't a fix that's going to turn this year around. It is lost and we should just let things process out at their own speed.

The Goodrow and Trouba trades were pure cap dumps and I don’t think Drury could have done better there. But the Igor extension and Kakko trade leave me questioning whether Drury is the right GM for a rebuild.

 

[HellOnIce]

Outside observer here. Clean house, tear it down, and focus on rebuilding the forward group. The forwards are just not going to be enough, there's no franchise players, no real offensive leaders in that group anymore that are under 30. Laf is fine, but not a center. Get those picks and prospects, build the spine out, and refresh the organization.

 

[noncents]

filip chytil for trent f***ing frederic. what an idiotic thing to think is a good idea

 

[Kravtsov420]

we need to build down the middle and d, it’s time. Build like a normal organization

 

[leetch99]

He mostly talks about getting tougher. Many people on this board frown when people speak about the importance of toughness and hitting.

LMAO at "frown" .....they sure did .

 

[B17 Apricots]

There's a reason why it's not a great idea to go over to the trade board right now. Things can get really stupid there. I looked at an Ottawa proposal for Kreider which was bad and that's okay but it's some of the later comments that were really idiotic and it's very easy to get sucked into some really asinine argument.

If (when) Drury starts trading off some player or other it's going to be important for him to get good value. I don't think he did great with Kakko. This is shit that if he's getting continually underwhelming returns then you think about finding a replacement for him. I don't think it's great being in his shoes right now or that moving players out getting a good return is necessarily an easy thing but it's still his job. The fanbase is impatient with the team and want some players gone yesterday but rushing shit usually doesn't work out well. I think we should realize there isn't a fix that's going to turn this year around. It is lost and we should just let things process out at their own speed.

Little check in before the Xmas festivities... agreed, the main boards are usually cancer. Learned to generally stay away from them years ago.

But yeah, Drury's trade resume is horrendous.



Leaving out the past trades, just focusing on the recent ones. I've made this sort of post a few times. But I'll keep hammering this point across... as mentioned in the above, over half the league was reportedly interested in Tuba. There are teams with really, really shallow RHD depth. You had the Tuba f***ery in the summer that put a bit of a halt on things. Drury wanted to get him out of here in the off-season. Something to remember, in the coming summer Tuba's NTC goes to a 12 team no trade list rather than the 15 from this past summer. More options. Many teams will have a ton of cap space this coming off-season. I do not believe Drury got full value on Tuba. Not because I think he's particularly good, most people here thinks he blows. But that's not what GMs think. They see the big, mean defender with leadership qualities and start to salivate. So people cheered Drury for getting his full 8 million off the table, whoop-de-do... teams spent their money in the summer. Most teams are up against the cap now. Teams wanted him when they had money available. He shoehorned himself into a deal with one of the only teams with cap space, just to get him out of here in some desperate looking move to turn the direction of the season. The timing of his deals are destroying the value.

Then the Kakko trade. Makes absolutely zero sense. The timing is insanely idiotic. Don't care if people don't like the player. I made a post in the morning of the day he was traded, many hours before, that I don't want to see some idiotic reactionary trade. Mentioned Montreal trading Lehkonen at the deadline a few years ago to Colorado for a 2nd + a real prospect. Tampa acquired Goodrow for a 1st. Hell, we got a late 2nd for Lias. Others have mentioned what some other disappointing high picks have returned in trades. I'm not too caught up in that aspect... but teams will pay up at the deadline for those sorts of 2way players. A 23 year old, RFA.... come on. And Will Borgen... really? They've been targeting this guy for years? Really? That tells you all you need to know. What was the thought process there. We're gonna ship this kid outta here and bring in this bottom pairing D on an expiring contract and the season will be saved.... why even make that trade at this point in the year.

These trades are reeking of desperation. The timing makes zero sense. He's tanking the value based on when he's making these moves. The season is shot, just let it play out. I think he could've gotten more for Tuba in the coming summer. Kakko should've been a deadline deal. If his track record wasn't so bad on trades maybe I'd let it slide... but he's gotten fleeced on too many deals. I'm almost scared for his next trades. He needs to get something for the expiring guys at the deadline. Borgen, Quick, Lindgren, etc... guys like Kreider, Vinny, etc should be in the summer. But watch him do something moronic and deal CK for peanuts just to get him out of here.... I'm just waiting for it at this point