Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

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Hopefully more young players chime in. Doubt somebody like Cuylle is happy being one of a handful of players who gives a damn AND actually produces in his measly ice time.

Kreider and Zib would make sure he knows that isn't acceptable here.
" Ryan, here in Rangerland, we play for the underrepresented DJs, punk music, and Boca Burgers. We go through labor pains with our wives, and believe in paternity leave. We want days off when it rains, and demand Himalayan salt rocks in our locker stalls. And don't worry about embarrassing this iconic jersey with gutless, lifeless play..."

"We'll just point our balsawood fingers at the coach, and tell the fans, that we are doing all this for the big boss being mean to Jean Ratelle and Eddie Giacomin. They're dumb enough to get on board with that".

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Defend- not in front of Igor
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It's an interesting one. You want guys who are ruthless and demand, set and maintain a standard. But you also need guys who can work within a team environment.

In that anecdote, JT was apparently told that while others agreed with his take, his delivery method could lead to issues. It sounds like JT changed nothing and eventually it has led to him (and probably not just him) breaking Pettersonn/the lockerroom.
If JT comes in here and demands accountability that's great; if he comes in here and breaks Laf, or the next high pick we get, because he's just inflexible and can't communicate properly, I'm not sure it's still a good thing.

I'm not against JT if it gets Mika out of here, and I liked his first stint as a Ranger, but I honestly don't think you can bring him to this locker room with the way things are right now. IMO a team getting JT needs a captain who already sets the standard, can let Miller know where he fits in the hierarchy, can use him as a bit of an 'enforcer' within the playing group, BUT can also rein him in when needed. Nothing that's happened in the past few months makes me think we have that environment for him to walk into

I agree and disagree. When Mark Messier came to NyR (I’m NOT comparing JT as a player to Messier) he was able to become the captain and made a huge difference as a leader. Messier held every player accountable and that is what this team needs right now. Yes, Messier also had guys like Leetch and Graves to maybe help him deliver the message. But I think JT can find those types of guys in NY as well(maybe someone like Trocheck).

This season is a turning point for NYR I think. They either bring in someone like JT and really make a push for one last playoff run or two, or they need to rebuild.
 
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I agree and disagree. When Mark Messier came to NyR (I’m NOT comparing JT as a player to Messier) he was able to become the captain and made a huge difference as a leader. Messier held every player accountable and that is what this team needs right now. Yes, Messier also had guys like Leetch and Graves to maybe help him deliver the message. But I think JT can find those types of guys in NY as well(maybe someone like Trocheck).

This season is a turning point for NYR I think. They either bring in someone like JT and really make a push for one last playoff run or two, or they need to rebuild.

True, but Messier, especially prime Messier had the unquestioning respect of the entire room because he'd been there and got it all done. And by most accounts could actually communicate with others while holding them to the standard. I'm not sure Miller has that
 

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It's not like they are winning anyways, may as well get Jones more experience and see if he can develop more.

The NHL is not, has not ever, and will not ever be a development league. Zac Jones has not shown enough to be an NHL defenseman. He can gripe all he wants. His rightful place currently is in the AHL getting playing time instead of in the press box
 
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True, but Messier, especially prime Messier had the unquestioning respect of the entire room because he'd been there and got it all done. And by most accounts could actually communicate with others while holding them to the standard. I'm not sure Miller has that

Management also overhauled that roster on the fly with guys who would buy in. There’s zero buy in with what this team is currently doing
 
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Rangers’ Zac Jones feels like he’s ‘rotting away’ after losing spot: ‘It f–king sucks’​

No. 6 on your scorecard has become No. 7 on the defense depth chart and Zac Jones is not happy about it.

Not at all.

So when asked about this latest development in which he is set to be scratched for the fifth time in six games when the Bruins come to the Garden on Thursday, Jones took some time so that he could choose his words wisely.

These were his first words.

“It f–king sucks,” he told The Post, his voice quivering with emotion. “It f–king sucks.”

Head coach Peter Laviolette made it clear last week that his preferred top six includes both recent acquisitions Will Borgen (for Kaapo Kakko) and Urho Vaakanainen (for Jacob Trouba). The decision leaves Jones on the outside —again— after playing in 25 of the first 31 contests and getting a run of 20 out of 21 games from Nov. 3 to Dec. 17.

And while Jones’ game dipped through the last month, there is not a single Ranger — maybe with the exception of Will Cuylle — who does not fall into that category. Scratching No. 6 seems like the path of least resistance as it did when Kakko was scratched in St. Louis on Dec. 15.

“I don’t want to say that I don’t get a chance, because but it’s tough having been in that role the last two years and it’s like, I’ve got to play. It’s as simple as that,” Jones said. “I’m f–king 24 years old, it’s simple as that, and I’ve got to play, so it’s f–king really frustrating.

“Yes, there were some hiccups here and there during my stretch of games but overall I thought I was one of our better players throughout the whole thing. I mean, the team wasn’t playing well, we weren’t winning, almost nothing was going right but I don’t want to look at it like that.

“It’s frustrating when you think you’re doing some things well and it’s just, you just keep getting taken out, taken out, taken out,” said the UMass product, who has been in the organization since the final month of the 2020-21 season. “I just feel like I’m rotting away a little bit.

“And it’s tough, It’s really f—king tough. I mean, I’m not a 32-year-old guy collecting a paycheck. I’m a guy who wants to earn my paycheck. I need to play. I have things I need to improve in order to be a full-time player and that’s what I want to be, I want to be a guy who plays 82 games and be in the lineup every night.

“I get that there are decisions to be made but, you know, it just sucks when it’s always you.”

Vaakanainen was on IR with an upper body issue when he was acquired in the Trouba trade on Dec. 6 and did not make his Rangers’ debut until Dec. 17. K’Andre Miller had been out of the lineup six games with an upper body injury he sustained on Dec. 11 before returning last Saturday in Tampa Bay. Borgen joined the squad on Dec. 18.

Jones can count.

“This [stretch of scratches] is kind of a surprise but at the same time it’s not,” he said. “It’s honestly nothing new, you come in with a positive mindset but you always have it in the back of your mind, I know guys are hurt, guys are coming back and that’s hard.

“You know in the back of your mind when everyone is ready it’s probably going to be you that’s out. And it’s like, no matter what you do you just feel like you’re stuck.”

Jones has been caught up ice too often during this stretch in which his team has gone 4-15 since Nov. 21. He has been on for two goals for and nine against with a 39.58 expected goal ratio. Overall, Jones has been on for 14 goals for and 11 against with an xGF of 47.13. When paired with Braden Schneider, the tandem has been on for nine goals for and five against with a 49.06 xGF.

Laviolette, who has Schneider on the third pair with Vaakanainen and Borgen on the second pair with Miller, said that he understood Jones’ frustration but, as is his nature, did not delve into the reasons for his decisions.

“That’s OK and I would expect anyone out of the lineup to be frustrated and want to be in there and play,” said the head coach. “Any messages I have for Zac, I’m not going to give them to you, I’m going to give them to Zac and talk to him directly.

“The roster has changed on the back end with different players bringing different things. That’s the decision now.”

It seems problematic for Jones to be able to carve a path to a regular spot here. It seems as if every game is a metaphorical life and death matter. Defensemen with more extensive track records are in the lineup with every game taking on the aura of a metaphorical life-and-death matter..

Chances are his best chance would come somewhere else.

“I don’t know. I don’t know,” said the defenseman, who has one goal and seven assists on the year. “I mean, we have a really good team here, we have a really good staff, there’s nothing bad about this organization.

“I just think, maybe it’s here, maybe it’s somewhere else. I wish I had a crystal ball and could tell you that.”

Jones said that he is taking it, “day by day,” and has not asked for a trade.

But maybe he just did.
 

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The NHL is not, has not ever, and will not ever be a development league. Zac Jones has not shown enough to be an NHL defenseman. He can gripe all he wants. His rightful place currently is in the AHL getting playing time instead of in the press box

Jones would probably be happy enough with that if he can convince Drury to put him on waivers.

It also does reinforce the point that none of KK, Laf, Anderson should have been with the big club in their first year or two. They all had large parts of their game that needed developing.
 

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I hate working out waiver rules but that doesn't sound right, he's only on his last year of the ELC and goalies are exempt for longer.
He wasn't really old when we signed him so he should have 4-5 seasons
Dylan Garand is currently exempt from NHL waivers. His entry-level contract, signed on December 23, 2021, spans three years and is set to expire after the 2024-2025 season.

Waiver exemption for players like Garand is determined by a combination of age at the time of signing their first professional contract and the number of years or games played under that contract. Since Garand signed his contract at age 19, he is exempt from waivers for four years or until he has played 80 NHL games, whichever comes first.

Garand will remain waiver-exempt through the 2024-2025 season. However, starting with the 2025-2026 season, he will require waivers to be assigned to the AHL or any minor league affiliate.
 
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Dylan Garand is currently exempt from NHL waivers. His entry-level contract, signed on December 23, 2021, spans three years and is set to expire after the 2024-2025 season.

Waiver exemption for players like Garand is determined by a combination of age at the time of signing their first professional contract and the number of years or games played under that contract. Since Garand signed his contract at age 19, he is exempt from waivers for four years or until he has played 80 NHL games, whichever comes first.

Garand will remain waiver-exempt through the 2024-2025 season. However, starting with the 2025-2026 season, he will require waivers to be assigned to the AHL or any minor league affiliate.

That is interesting.
this chart
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taken from NHL Waiver Rules - The Hockey Writers The Business of Hockey Latest News, Analysis & More seems to think it's 5 years for a goalie who signed at 19.

https://puckpedia.com/waivers-tracker?team=6 also seems to show him as in year 3 of 5
 

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Rangers’ Zac Jones feels like he’s ‘rotting away’ after losing spot: ‘It f–king sucks’​

No. 6 on your scorecard has become No. 7 on the defense depth chart and Zac Jones is not happy about it.

Not at all.

So when asked about this latest development in which he is set to be scratched for the fifth time in six games when the Bruins come to the Garden on Thursday, Jones took some time so that he could choose his words wisely.

These were his first words.

“It f–king sucks,” he told The Post, his voice quivering with emotion. “It f–king sucks.”

Head coach Peter Laviolette made it clear last week that his preferred top six includes both recent acquisitions Will Borgen (for Kaapo Kakko) and Urho Vaakanainen (for Jacob Trouba). The decision leaves Jones on the outside —again— after playing in 25 of the first 31 contests and getting a run of 20 out of 21 games from Nov. 3 to Dec. 17.

And while Jones’ game dipped through the last month, there is not a single Ranger — maybe with the exception of Will Cuylle — who does not fall into that category. Scratching No. 6 seems like the path of least resistance as it did when Kakko was scratched in St. Louis on Dec. 15.

“I don’t want to say that I don’t get a chance, because but it’s tough having been in that role the last two years and it’s like, I’ve got to play. It’s as simple as that,” Jones said. “I’m f–king 24 years old, it’s simple as that, and I’ve got to play, so it’s f–king really frustrating.

“Yes, there were some hiccups here and there during my stretch of games but overall I thought I was one of our better players throughout the whole thing. I mean, the team wasn’t playing well, we weren’t winning, almost nothing was going right but I don’t want to look at it like that.

“It’s frustrating when you think you’re doing some things well and it’s just, you just keep getting taken out, taken out, taken out,” said the UMass product, who has been in the organization since the final month of the 2020-21 season. “I just feel like I’m rotting away a little bit.

“And it’s tough, It’s really f—king tough. I mean, I’m not a 32-year-old guy collecting a paycheck. I’m a guy who wants to earn my paycheck. I need to play. I have things I need to improve in order to be a full-time player and that’s what I want to be, I want to be a guy who plays 82 games and be in the lineup every night.

“I get that there are decisions to be made but, you know, it just sucks when it’s always you.”

Vaakanainen was on IR with an upper body issue when he was acquired in the Trouba trade on Dec. 6 and did not make his Rangers’ debut until Dec. 17. K’Andre Miller had been out of the lineup six games with an upper body injury he sustained on Dec. 11 before returning last Saturday in Tampa Bay. Borgen joined the squad on Dec. 18.

Jones can count.

“This [stretch of scratches] is kind of a surprise but at the same time it’s not,” he said. “It’s honestly nothing new, you come in with a positive mindset but you always have it in the back of your mind, I know guys are hurt, guys are coming back and that’s hard.

“You know in the back of your mind when everyone is ready it’s probably going to be you that’s out. And it’s like, no matter what you do you just feel like you’re stuck.”

Jones has been caught up ice too often during this stretch in which his team has gone 4-15 since Nov. 21. He has been on for two goals for and nine against with a 39.58 expected goal ratio. Overall, Jones has been on for 14 goals for and 11 against with an xGF of 47.13. When paired with Braden Schneider, the tandem has been on for nine goals for and five against with a 49.06 xGF.

Laviolette, who has Schneider on the third pair with Vaakanainen and Borgen on the second pair with Miller, said that he understood Jones’ frustration but, as is his nature, did not delve into the reasons for his decisions.

“That’s OK and I would expect anyone out of the lineup to be frustrated and want to be in there and play,” said the head coach. “Any messages I have for Zac, I’m not going to give them to you, I’m going to give them to Zac and talk to him directly.

“The roster has changed on the back end with different players bringing different things. That’s the decision now.”

It seems problematic for Jones to be able to carve a path to a regular spot here. It seems as if every game is a metaphorical life and death matter. Defensemen with more extensive track records are in the lineup with every game taking on the aura of a metaphorical life-and-death matter..

Chances are his best chance would come somewhere else.

“I don’t know. I don’t know,” said the defenseman, who has one goal and seven assists on the year. “I mean, we have a really good team here, we have a really good staff, there’s nothing bad about this organization.

“I just think, maybe it’s here, maybe it’s somewhere else. I wish I had a crystal ball and could tell you that.”

Jones said that he is taking it, “day by day,” and has not asked for a trade.

But maybe he just did.
Maybe (probably) I’m biased reading it but without naming names Jones very transparently points directly at Lindgren in this interview.
 

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I'd fire the coach because he's f***ING SHIT

Lol. Well that's a real reason to fire a coach.

Better than he's being mean to some player or other anyway.

As for Laviolette and/or any member of his coaching staff of course they should shoulder some of the blame for this season and they can fire them all AFAIC but the problems go a bit further than just them and I would throw Drury and a lot of the players in the mix too. If they just dumped Lavi and his coaches and did nothing else I'd find that disappointing. Some of the players need to go to as well as our GM and Jones isn't enough of a factor for me that I'm worried all that much whether he stays or goes. He's pretty much a passenger on the team as it is right now and I don't see him as a future top 4 defenseman at least on a good NHL team.
 

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Mike, I might be wrong here but I’ve used ad seen references to Jones losing exemption next seasons and it hasn’t been challenged by our in-house gurus.
Jones is no longer exempt. He was also drafted a year before Garand and he's a skater. The rules are different for skaters.

Garand is still exempt next season.
 
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Mike, I might be wrong here but I’ve used ad seen references to Jones losing exemption next seasons and it hasn’t been challenged by our in-house gurus.

Jones signed at 20 which meant 3 years exempt as a skater. That's why we couldn't send him down last season without losing him
 

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Zac jones mouthing off to the media about ice time. Unserious organization.

And what I mean by that is an AHL level defenseman feels comfortable calling out this coaching staff, knowing it will lead to a trade. Inmates are running the asylum. I’m embarrassed as a fan of this team. Unbecoming of an O6 franchise.
you're a yankee fan right?
 

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Maybe (probably) I’m biased reading it but without naming names Jones very transparently points directly at Lindgren in this interview.

Honestly it sounds like he's calling out Kreider.

Lindgren isn't that old and he sucks balls but I'd hardly accuse him of collecting a paycheck. He tries his best but his best is unfortunately really f***ing bad.

I understand his frustration. This is the danger that comes with playing favorites with bad veterans because of their reputation.

People may not have been as vocal about it when Staal was here, but I can guarantee that it was a thing in the room.
 

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