Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[TGWL]

They moved Trouba, Goodrow, and Kakko yet somehow it feels they still haven’t made any progress.

Because other than the cap, they haven't.

Mason McTavish has to start with Othmann and maybe Garand...... if Garand ...Ducks add

If Othmann and Garand is enough, I'm pretty sure we make that trade with Ducks adding nothing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How does Schaefer project and what are potential NHL comparisons?

#1LD.

Think Makar but 6’2”.

He’s more straight line in his approach but he’s an electric factory.

 

[TGWL]

You got a bunch of mopers walking around doom and glooming this team right now, remove the sooks, bring the mood up in the room and things will get better for Laf. I'm hopeful they are looking for like aged guys to play with him. Panarin imo doesn't totally compliment the game Laf needs to play, they work together but Laf has always been more or a north south guy. It's why him Chytil and kakko worked.

But he looked best with Panarin and Trocheck, not with Chytil and Kakko. After that contract it's been a different story. With Chytil and Kakko, we just praised him for looking like an actual NHL player and having a much better showing. The Rangers now have to go bring in guys to best build around Laf's game and hope it works? Laf has to be better and that's where the conversation should end. He's not moving his feet and right now that's not because the puck isn't going north and south for him.

I won't argue that some of these players need to go, whether it's performance or attitude base, and I'm not against bring in North-South players, but I don't think that this is what's holding Laf back right now.

 

[NickyFotiu]

it's more like, his failure in previous years is causing what we see now. the roster is poorly constructed. there has been a massive hole at 1RW ever since he traded Buch. And he never addressed it. He traded draft picks every year or got washed up Wheeler etc. He also never got a Finnish player for Kaapo to play with which, I don't know may not have helped at all but everything was worth trying when you have a failing #2 overall pick.

I will agree on the Buch trade.

Getting a Finish teamnate for KK? Come on this team is too soft already. Neither Gorton nor Drury needed to get someone to hold KKs hand especially not in his 5th and 6th years. We did have Mikola 3 years ago.

Wheeler was a league minimum contract type guy.

We had the best record in the NHL last season and people praised Drury.

Much of these complaints came this season after the Goody and Trouba trades. Some are media driven imo. Drury did the right thing trading them. The NHL is a business not a friend group.

 

[bernmeister]

I predict Kreider will be moved for futures to a contender, that will then be used to sweeten the pot in a JT Miller trade. There are some fairly legitimate concerns with JT, but I think the team's play has driven the front office to a point where they are going to work hard to make it happen. Miller is a Type A, intense guy, who will both get on and defend his teammates. If the Canucks reach the point where they have to trade him for the room, he should be a Ranger.

I liked what Avery said on Chiclets. K'Andre & Chytil for JT. Maybe a 1st rounder. I dont care that JT is 3. Mark Messier was 31 when they got him. he's a 90-100 point all sisutations player. If he's available you do what you need to get him. especially for a team lacking vocal and on-ice leadership.

Sorry, no reality is knocking and demanding you recognize yr capitulation is in order
1. JTM will go where he wants if and when he wants out of VAN -- a legit cup contender. There is no reason he comes to NYR, none
There is less than zero basis for JTM here unless zib is going the other way
THAT is NOT GONNA HAPPEN

Zib can go half retained for scraps, THAT is comfy enuf for 'nucks

Finally stop sending what little we have for more vets

No offense, but JT Miller is none of the things you are saying, he isn’t a leader, he is a cancer. He is a problem everywhere he goes and that is not the type of player personality you want to lead a team. No thanks on JT.
Also never compare JT to messier again

Those two should never be spoken in the same sentence in terms of leadership

Large agree. I would hold off saying he is bonafide cancer, But clearly, there are issues. In any event, he will not be cheap and he will not come here.

I doubt Panarin waives or the team even considers moving him.

Although as I have noted R mgmt does not always agree w/me/do the on paper intelligent thing, I am hoping here that everyone recognizes his next deal is not gonna remotely sniff 11.6+ or have term.
So he is gone at min at some pt next yr before end of term, so we get something for him, and he does not have to answer ugly ?s about not getting renewal

Given a feel free invite, he may be willing to abandon ship now.
Thought I heard he wants to be close to nyc b'c family situation, new child

We should be thinking the unthinkable, deal w/Devs or Isles to see if there is something there so he comfy waives; if not, start looking other options, presum contenders

Panarin Trocheck Laffy
Cuylle Chytil ???? Gabe?
Berard ????? Othmann?
Edstrom Carrick ?????

????? Fox
KAM Schneider
????? Mancini

We need 1-2 top9 RWers. Depending on Gabe and Othmann
A top9C or 2. Can't count on Chytil
A top4LHD.
and a solid vet 3LD.

all of them need to skate and not be afraid of contact. That's a lot of pieces but it's not impossible. Top2-4LHD is the biggest need IMO. Finding wingers and a center like Cuylle or Berard.

Get the horses... then a coaching staff that has a modern system.

There are no shortcuts
for once listen to bern
develop youth via draft and opportunity

Buyout

Huge. Just Huge. But it's the only way.

we are better off retaining half and giving him away to a place where he would go that would take him
on paper that is VAN, not sure how many others...

Garand lighting it up. Were going to regret this Igor contract. The goal should be to never sign a goalie to a third contract. A replacement should be waiting in the wings so cap space can be deployed elsewhere

I called Garand from before last yr
Glad he has continued to improve w/mo time, but arguably he was at minimum ready already.
That said,
pref 1 is ask Igor to approve to LA for overpay
keep the kid
IN NO EVENT SHOULD WE GIVE AWAY GARAND FOR CHEAP B'C HE HAS FEW NHL GAMES
in NO event

dont worry, they're going to trade Garand for another 6'4 defenseman that sucks

don't say that even to be funny/sarcastic

Oh please. Garand has had a hot month in the AHL and we're anointing him the next coming? No wonder these prospects never reach our expectations. He'll be a cost effective backup when the time comes. If he ends u having a Cam talbot esque career we should all be thrilled.

Team's that struggle on the powerplay will love to have him.

Stop being prejudiced vs youth, favoring vets

Need to start over and build a good 5v5 team. Hopefully, Drury can accomplish this in the next few years while Igor is still in his prime.

I'm fine with sucking this year and next. Maybe we will win the lottery this year and draft one of Schaefer/Hagens/Martone. Sell Kreider, Zibanejad, Panarin, Miller, Lindgren, and Borgen. Load up on 2026 1st round picks and pray that we will win the McKenna sweepstakes.

McDavid is UFA after next season.

If any of these play out, we will be in great shape going forward.

General agree.
Short of a WC earthquake swallowing EDM, God forbid, there is zero reason for him to decline Oil same max $ and extra yr to come here, not to mention leaving LeoDrai

Agreed again. You also can't rely on Edstrom, Cylle, Berard, Othmann, Rempe types to be the teams muscle when they are still trying to get their NHL careers jumpstarted. You need veterans to back them up. Every team has them. But when they are suggested here, the pitchforks come out.

No one has to fight Tkachuk's battles for him. No one has to even fight Barkov's battles for him. It's a mindset and the rangers have had a piss poor one for a long time now.

Don't "high and mighty" me when you are leading the charge to get Fox out of town lol. Id be talking about Tkachuk the way I talk about Miller if he was in anyway attainable. The team needs more assholes.

bold 1 = called out for bs, these guys need max mins at NHL AND WE ACCEPT THE FUGGIN GROWING PAINS IN THE MEANTIME without jumping down their throats

bold 2 = wrong to the extent asshole or not issue bends, buckles and breaks in complete capitulation to if we have enough young talent w/sufficient size and speed. Demeanor is way down the list = non factor
In fact, more likely to have successful chemistry w/less assholes

 

[bernmeister]

Merry and a Happy to all,
I will endeavor to post something about how to max our vets -> youth needs by the w'e-ish

best
bern

 

[Ori]

I will agree on the Buch trade.

Getting a Finish teamnate for KK? Come on this team is too soft already. Neither Gorton nor Drury needed to get someone to hold KKs hand especially not in his 5th and 6th years. We did have Mikola 3 years ago.

Wheeler was a league minimum contract type guy.

We had the best record in the NHL last season and people praised Drury.

Much of these complaints came this season after the Goody and Trouba trades. Some are media driven imo. Drury did the right thing trading them. The NHL is a business not a friend group.

But why did they trade Trouba, salary cap issues? I am aware he is 30 yo though, maybe age reasons.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

We’re gonna draft 12th and take Lias Kravtsovovich Jessiman, Goalie

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Hadn’t had one in a while.

 

[McRanger92]

#1LD.

Think Makar but 6’2”.

He’s more straight line in his approach but he’s an electric factory.

If this is true Im ok with tanking

But he looked best with Panarin and Trocheck, not with Chytil and Kakko. After that contract it's been a different story. With Chytil and Kakko, we just praised him for looking like an actual NHL player and having a much better showing. The Rangers now have to go bring in guys to best build around Laf's game and hope it works? Laf has to be better and that's where the conversation should end. He's not moving his feet and right now that's not because the puck isn't going north and south for him.

I won't argue that some of these players need to go, whether it's performance or attitude base, and I'm not against bring in North-South players, but I don't think that this is what's holding Laf back right now.

I want to see Lafreniere & Cuylle with a guy like Cozens between them.

 

[NickyFotiu]

But why did they trade Trouba, salary cap issues? I am aware he is 30 yo though, maybe age reasons.

Trouba started last season very well but his game declined a lot during last season and playoffs. He wasn't earning that salary. Thats why people were willing to eat part of his salary to move him. Drury was able to move him without any cap issues.

 

[duhmetreE]

We’re gonna draft 12th and take Lias Kravtsovovich Jessiman, Goalie

this is unrealstic because we are definitely picking top5

we are the worst team in the league.

 

[McRanger92]

this is unrealstic because we are definitely picking top5

we are the worst team in the league.

Yes but the team is going to greatly improve once the mopes are gone. Just by default. The goalie is too good not to keep them around the 500 mark. But stack assets and try to put yourself in a position to trade up. I like the sound of the Schaefer kid. Hagens, meh. Seems like a guy we'll wait 3 years to see and then not know what to do with.

 

[duhmetreE]

How does Schaefer project and what are potential NHL comparisons?

Take Adam Fox... add size and elite mobility

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

But why did they trade Trouba, salary cap issues? I am aware he is 30 yo though, maybe age reasons.

 

[Mr Mxmzptlk]

this is unrealstic because we are definitely picking top5

we are the worst team in the league.

After what happened to detroit when they were the worst team, I would say picking top 5 is unrealistic.
And besides, we know this team is its own worst enemy -- they will most likely go on a streak once eliminated from the playoffs and end up picking 16th.

 

[McRanger92]

You got a bunch of mopers walking around doom and glooming this team right now, remove the sooks, bring the mood up in the room and things will get better for Laf. I'm hopeful they are looking for like aged guys to play with him. Panarin imo doesn't totally compliment the game Laf needs to play, they work together but Laf has always been more or a north south guy. It's why him Chytil and kakko worked.

Laf will look much better once the mopers are purged, but Kakko was one of them. Chytil also might be one too.

 

[FUZfan]

Trouba started last season very well but his game declined a lot during last season and playoffs. He wasn't earning that salary. Thats why people were willing to eat part of his salary to move him. Drury was able to move him without any cap issues.

The question I have asked and no one seems to have an answer is why was Trouba unwilling to go anywhere over the summer but 2 months into the season goes across the country to play for a bad team?

 

[McRanger92]

Panarin-Trocheck-Perreault
Lafreniere-Cozens-Cuylle
Othmann-McTavish-Bennett
Edstrom-Carrick-Berard

 

[TGWL]

If this is true Im ok with tanking



I want to see Lafreniere & Cuylle with a guy like Cozens between them.

You have to pay for that. Is Buffalo selling low because Cozens isn't performing right now, or is Buffalo selling him as a player who put up 68 points at such a young age? I think there's a big gap in value here and I'm not sure if Buffalo is looking to get out of that deal without some massive overpayment.

 

[McRanger92]

The question I have asked and no one seems to have an answer is why was Trouba unwilling to go anywhere over the summer but 2 months into the season goes across the country to play for a bad team?

We don't really have an answer to this. My personal speculation is Drury wasn't willing to threaten him with waivers until it was obvious Trouba had poisoned the locker room. Drury probably shouldve known this was going to happen once it came out that they were mad over Goodrow's exit. I wouldn't personally fire him now but the lack of foresight has deservedly put him on the hot seat. The season is likely a wash depending on how he does in the trades coming up.

 

[pld459666]

I can’t answer for 31 GMs in the league but what I will tell you that JT Miller was traded from the Rangers while Chris Drury was AGM.
There was a game against Montreal and at the end of that game JT Miller was challenged by Alexi Emelin and Miller skated away and ran behind the net to get away. Bad optics. Bad that none of his teammates came to his aid.
Ron Duguay showed the video in the post game and called him out for cowardice.
I believe Duguay might have been suspended by MSG Network for a month for it.
Gordon couldn’t wait to trade him.
He lasted one full season in Tampa after getting there and they moved him on.
That was a long time ago. People can change and maybe Miller has too?
But something is wrong with Vancouver’s locker room and Miller is involved.

I'll concede every point you make here and I'd STILL take him over the gutless chumps we have here.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

JT Miller wishes his wife loved him as much as you love JT Miller. JT can't get along with Pettersson? The Swedes are not very confrontational people. JT is an asshole.

Are you old enough to remember Messier at 31 years old? He won the Hart Trophy. You are quoting Avery? Every organization couldn't wait to get rid of him. Avery is also an asshole.

Sean Avery was the right kind of Ashhole.
Torts was the was the wrong kind of ashhole.
Self righteous, pompous scmuck.

 

[FUZfan]

And I don't think the Rangers have played well all season. They scored a lot early and also got some great goaltending which masked their horrible team defense. Now all they have left is the horrible team defense and that's why we're not even competitive most nights.

 

[McRanger92]

You have to pay for that. Is Buffalo selling low because Cozens isn't performing right now, or is Buffalo selling him as a player who put up 68 points at such a young age? I think there's a big gap in value here and I'm not sure if Buffalo is looking to get out of that deal without some massive overpayment.

What's an overpay? I think Cozens needs to be looked at through the context of getting him away from Buffalo. ROR, Reinhart, Eichel. Many such cases. Is a big workhorse center the same age and contract length as Lafreniere not exactly what we need?

Id think long and hard about a Schneider for Cozens swap. Schneider got benched the other night. It sucks but its true, because I really like the kid. But it's not happening as fast as we need it to happen. I think this team needs a young C with talent far more today and tomorrow then they need Mini-Trouba. We did just trade for a RD in Borgen and have Mancini in Hartford.

Sean Avery was the right kind of Ashhole.
Torts was the was the wrong kind of ashhole.
Self righteous, pompous scmuck.

Can I say I like Torts and Avery, and watching them spar had helped the game of hockey? Happy to witness it up close as a Ranger fan. The NHL loves its soap operas.

 

[n8]

A vanilla Kreider to Dallas deal would not work because Dallas does not have a lot of cap space (~550k).

• If we retain 50%, his number drops to $3.25M.
• Dadonov (1 year $2.25M) and Dumba (2 years $3.75M) are plausible cap dumps.

So if we are retaining and taking on cap, suddenly, I can see a world where we are getting much much more for Kreider. The 3 years of retention alone is probably worth a 1st. For cap dumps, we've given up two 2nds for similar cap dumps in the past (Staal, Nemeth), I think Kreider needs to go on a heater prior to the TDL to drive up his value and GM's desperation to acquire him. There essentially needs to be a bidding war as opposed to a situation where Kreider's MNTC is able to limit Drury's trade partner down to one team; something we've been on the beneficial side of more than once.

LA seems like a likely destination. They have A LOT more cap space.