Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVIII

[TheBloodyNine]

Haha you know, this is all I have been thinking about since Monday. Just absolutely sticking it to all the people who were so fiercely against signing Panarin. The ones who went to war with me over it. Scolded me. Berated me. Because I refused to tank on purpose. I refused to put a piss poor product on the ice. I refused to just ice a bunch of 19-23 year olds and throw them to the wolves because it would be awful for their development. That if we were going to be a bottom 3 team in this league we would do it admirably and play an honest game. I refused to be Edmonton, Buffalo, and now Detroit. It’s bad karma. And I especially hated doing that because its demoralizing for your players, your organization, etc., putting them through that all while knowing its a LOTTERY system and anything can happen.

Well look where we are today....

Eat some crow bitches.

Uhh I think you're forgetting about the main reason why we got Laf - Coronavirus Pandemic. If that hadn't happened we would have either made the playoffs or been just out.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

That's a good wish list, but the guy that I would pay a mild premium for is Hintz. I don't think the Rangers will be in a position this year to trade for a big time player, but using the depth the team accumulated to upgrade an NHL spot is viable.

What would be most important is a LHD that can play 15-18 minutes at 5v5. With the Seattle draft coming up, that player isn't someone you want to pay the moon for since you would have to end up going 4 & 4 in the expansion draft. That said, I can see a forward slot being upgraded. Made some adjustments to your list to organize some NHL options and named some prospects. Needless to say, the Rangers have a lot of currency to make an upgrade.

You can sign a reliable young veteran as a 4th liner. Larsson in BUF is a good UFA to get. Rodrigues won't get picked up at his cap hit, and he's played for Quinn. Good resurrection project, guy has wheels, can play C, and kill penalties. Michael Amadio is a good get if some of LA's kids push him out of the line-up. He's a good modern grinder with NHL experience... one whose good 5v5.

Laf-Zib-Buch Trade
Bread-Strome/Trade-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-VK/Gauthier/Lemeuix/Barron
Howden-Larsson-Richards/Boyd/Amadio

The Rangers need a LHD that gets you 15-18 mins a night 5v5. You can sign a guy like Beaulieu, Merril to two year deals, have it be Seattle friendly, or trade for a guy like Nutivaara.

You're getting a franchise player in Laf, so there isn't a need to make another splashy acquisition. They need to focus on the areas where the roster has some gaps. Good news is that there are plenty of chips to help move things along.

Good insight. Best option IMO is Ofer sheeting Cirelli (maybe we offer sheet Segachev first as bait) then trading Strome for LD purposes even if we « lose » on trade value. What to do with ADA and that cap space now depends on whether Hank retires or not, if he does then We can resign ADA and maybe Fast. If not, we’ll have to trade ADA now.

question for thé gallery: between the ending of this season and beginning of the next, what is the anticipated timeframe that a lot of these league wide moves will happen, Oct?

 

[RGY]

Uhh I think you're forgetting about the main reason why we got Laf - Coronavirus Pandemic. If that hadn't happened we would have either made the playoffs or been just out.

Youre right beserk. That certainly played a factor too, cant deny that. But like I alluded to, I just believe in a certain way of going about things and doing business - that it will result in good karma.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Youre right beserk. That certainly played a factor too, cant deny that. But like I alluded to, I just believe in a certain way of going about things and doing business - that it will result in good karma.

Good Karma I will absolutely agree with and certainly having Panarin helped our team in allowing our young players to get some playoff experience very early on in their career.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

I think the roster will be built as I've said with the team investing contracts in only sure things as they will have 4-6 players on this roster with 8 + million contracts. That means TDA, Strome, Chytil, and Buchnevich are all players I expect to get moved soon and not have any more money invested in them. Fast on the other hand I now expect to be signed. At worst you may lose him in the expansion draft. You know you are getting top flight defense from Fast. A sure thing in his game. Much like Kreider is a sure thing to give you a consistent dominant net front presence and excellent defense. I still believe TDA, Buchnevich and Chytil are going for a much better top 2 line center. I think Barron and Richards make the team and Kravtsov plays another half of year at least in the AHL.

Lafrenierre-Trade-Panarin
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Gauthier-Howden-Fast
Lemieux-J.Richards-Barron

 

[Rangers394]

I think the roster will be built as I've said with the team investing contracts in only sure things as they will have 4-6 players on this roster with 8 + million contracts. That means TDA, Strome, Chytil, and Buchnevich are all players I expect to get moved soon and not have any more money invested in them. Fast on the other hand I now expect to be signed. At worst you may lose him in the expansion draft. You know you are getting top flight defense from Fast. A sure thing in his game. Much like Kreider is a sure thing to give you a consistent dominant net front presence and excellent defense. I still believe TDA, Buchnevich and Chytil are going for a much better top 2 line center. I think Barron and Richards make the team and Kravtsov plays another half of year at least in the AHL.

Lafrenierre-Trade-Panarin
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Gauthier-Howden-Fast
Lemieux-J.Richards-Barron

That team is weak on depth. Who is the center you are getting to offset that?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Does OTT have to pay Gaborik’s 4.875 mil salary on LTIR or is it insured?

If not insured and knowing Melnyk’s thrifty nature, we can swap LD Reilly making 1.5 for another 2 years (satisfies expansion criteria) for Smith who’s actual salary is like 2.3 mil if we take on Gaborik. We save 2.85 on cap and OTT gets more room To eat other teams cap, which is valuable this year.

 

[NYR Viper]

Klefbom is an interesting candidate. I've been so focused on Nurse I almost forgot about him. Signed to a good deal for a few more seasons until he is ~30 years old. LD. I wonder if a Buch for Klefbom deal could be worked out

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think the roster will be built as I've said with the team investing contracts in only sure things as they will have 4-6 players on this roster with 8 + million contracts. That means TDA, Strome, Chytil, and Buchnevich are all players I expect to get moved soon and not have any more money invested in them. Fast on the other hand I now expect to be signed. At worst you may lose him in the expansion draft. You know you are getting top flight defense from Fast. A sure thing in his game. Much like Kreider is a sure thing to give you a consistent dominant net front presence and excellent defense. I still believe TDA, Buchnevich and Chytil are going for a much better top 2 line center. I think Barron and Richards make the team and Kravtsov plays another half of year at least in the AHL.

Lafrenierre-Trade-Panarin
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Gauthier-Howden-Fast
Lemieux-J.Richards-Barron

Chytil is not going anywhere unless it’s a piece for a very big fish like Eichel, the rest I agree are gone This year or next

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Klefbom is an interesting candidate. I've been so focused on Nurse I almost forgot about him. Signed to a good deal for a few more seasons until he is ~30 years old. LD. I wonder if a Buch for Klefbom deal could be worked out

Good idea, they could use Georgiev too

 

[Vitto79]

Klefbom is an interesting candidate. I've been so focused on Nurse I almost forgot about him. Signed to a good deal for a few more seasons until he is ~30 years old. LD. I wonder if a Buch for Klefbom deal could be worked out

IF you look at the Edmonton board they have a poll and a high percentage says improving the D is the main priority so maybe they move 1 guy but sounds likely need to add some too

Ekholm in NSH was mentioned on this board and he would intrigue me. Nashville should be active this off season

 

[NYR Viper]

I was listening to the 31 Thoughts Podcast yesterday and they were discussing how some GM's (in this case it was Milbury but others have tried similar things) have offered every pick they have in a single year for the #1 because their thought is that if they can get a true superstar out of a draft that is plenty to build a contender. So with hat said, if Ottawa offered:

OTT 1st + SJ 1st + NYI 1st + OTT 2nd + CLB 2nd + DAL 2nd + NYI 2nd + OT 3rd + WPG 3rd + OTT 4th + TB 5th + SJ 6th + STL 6th for #1 overall, would you do it?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I was listening to the 31 Thoughts Podcast yesterday and they were discussing how some GM's (in this case it was Milbury but others have tried similar things) have offered every pick they have in a single year for the #1 because their thought is that if they can get a true superstar out of a draft that is plenty to build a contender. So with hat said, if Ottawa offered:

OTT 1st + SJ 1st + NYI 1st + OTT 2nd + CLB 2nd + DAL 2nd + NYI 2nd + OT 3rd + WPG 3rd + OTT 4th + TB 5th + SJ 6th + STL 6th for #1 overall, would you do it?

No.

 

[mas0764]

I was listening to the 31 Thoughts Podcast yesterday and they were discussing how some GM's (in this case it was Milbury but others have tried similar things) have offered every pick they have in a single year for the #1 because their thought is that if they can get a true superstar out of a draft that is plenty to build a contender. So with hat said, if Ottawa offered:

OTT 1st + SJ 1st + NYI 1st + OTT 2nd + CLB 2nd + DAL 2nd + NYI 2nd + OT 3rd + WPG 3rd + OTT 4th + TB 5th + SJ 6th + STL 6th for #1 overall, would you do it?

I don't think all those extra post-first rounders move the needle for me.

I have said I'd need 3/5/Tkachuk to make it close. They'd have to throw him in, which they won't do, but I'd need him too.

And then I still am on the fence.

But without him, no.

 

[Fugazy]

I was listening to the 31 Thoughts Podcast yesterday and they were discussing how some GM's (in this case it was Milbury but others have tried similar things) have offered every pick they have in a single year for the #1 because their thought is that if they can get a true superstar out of a draft that is plenty to build a contender. So with hat said, if Ottawa offered:

OTT 1st + SJ 1st + NYI 1st + OTT 2nd + CLB 2nd + DAL 2nd + NYI 2nd + OT 3rd + WPG 3rd + OTT 4th + TB 5th + SJ 6th + STL 6th for #1 overall, would you do it?

 

[NYR Viper]

IF you look at the Edmonton board they have a poll and a high percentage says improving the D is the main priority so maybe they move 1 guy but sounds likely need to add some too

Ekholm in NSH was mentioned on this board and he would intrigue me. Nashville should be active this off season

Again, from the 31 Thoughts Podcast, the general feeling is that they have a few young d-men who are growing into their roles and that the team needs help with secondary scoring. So the idea would be to grow defensively with the young guys like Bouchard and Broberg and move a d-man or two to help bring in some depth scoring.

 

[duhmetreE]

I was listening to the 31 Thoughts Podcast yesterday and they were discussing how some GM's (in this case it was Milbury but others have tried similar things) have offered every pick they have in a single year for the #1 because their thought is that if they can get a true superstar out of a draft that is plenty to build a contender. So with hat said, if Ottawa offered:

OTT 1st + SJ 1st + NYI 1st + OTT 2nd + CLB 2nd + DAL 2nd + NYI 2nd + OT 3rd + WPG 3rd + OTT 4th + TB 5th + SJ 6th + STL 6th for #1 overall, would you do it?

Considering Lafreniere is like the child of Crosby and Messier... no.

We do not need quantity. If someone like Minnesota won that lotto, it'd make sense.

 

[NYR Viper]

No.

I don't think all those extra post-first rounders move the needle for me.

I have said I'd need 3/5/Tkachuk to make it close. They'd have to throw him in, which they won't do, but I'd need him too.

And then I still am on the fence.

But without him, no.

I'd have to agree. It's a crazy thought though isn't it that these types of conversations or offers may come across Gorton's desk.

 

[Fugazy]

I'd gave to agree. It's a crazy thought though isn't it that these types of conversations or offers may come across Gorton's desk.

I honestly wish we had full access to all the offers he's going to get. I want to see how crazy they get

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

I don't think all those extra post-first rounders move the needle for me.

I have said I'd need 3/5/Tkachuk to make it close. They'd have to throw him in, which they won't do, but I'd need him too.

And then I still am on the fence.

But without him, no.

3+5+Tkachuk+unprotected 2021 first has me thinking long and hard. And if we were a barren cupboard team I'd do it in a second. But with the young talent already in the pipeline and on the team if we made that trade we'd almost be forced to turn it around and make a godfather offer for a guy like lafreniere. So why not just take a cost controlled Lafreniere?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

3+5+Tkachuk+unprotected 2021 first has me thinking long and hard. And if we were a barren cupboard team I'd do it in a second. But with the young talent already in the pipeline and on the team if we made that trade we'd almost be forced to turn it around and make a godfather offer for a guy like lafreniere. So why not just take a cost controlled Lafreniere?

And ottawa laughs in your face. At this point in their build they arent unloading that much needed depth.

 

[Savant]

This might sound weird, but I don’t think the Rangers need to shoot the moon for a center this season.

I think the Rangers become better by upgrading Howden then by upgrading Strome. Strome just Centered a Hart finalist, and the Rangers have one of the worst bottom sixes in the league. They can’t score. They can’t defend. They don’t hit. They don’t have any specialists who can win faceoffs or play special teams.

Rangers have a ton of cap coming off Summer 2021, and have some big extensions coming. I wouldn’t sign another player with a big financial commitment necessary. They need to fix that bottom six. Strome can’t play there but maybe Kreider of Lafreniere probably do. Getting a vet presence there, that you don’t need to protect for expansion especially would do a young team a lot of good.

 

[rangers1314]

3+5+Tkachuk+unprotected 2021 first has me thinking long and hard. And if we were a barren cupboard team I'd do it in a second. But with the young talent already in the pipeline and on the team if we made that trade we'd almost be forced to turn it around and make a godfather offer for a guy like lafreniere. So why not just take a cost controlled Lafreniere?

Replace Tkachuk with Chabot and I would do it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We would be adding to Buchnevich for Klefbom IMO. His contract is really, really good. How much? I don't know, Maybe Geo is enough of an add to make it happen.

He isn't ideal, but he is good and in terms of cost, both in assets and cap.

I fear for the DeAngelo/Buchnevich RNH/Klefbom swap. I probably underrate RNH a bit, but the term isn't there and a raise would be pretty substantial.

 

[broadwayblue]

Good insight. Best option IMO is Ofer sheeting Cirelli (maybe we offer sheet Segachev first as bait) then trading Strome for LD purposes even if we « lose » on trade value. What to do with ADA and that cap space now depends on whether Hank retires or not, if he does then We can resign ADA and maybe Fast. If not, we’ll have to trade ADA now.

question for thé gallery: between the ending of this season and beginning of the next, what is the anticipated timeframe that a lot of these league wide moves will happen, Oct?

When was the last time the Rangers went the offer sheet route? And how much money do you propose we sheet him for? Cap issues are a real concern. Also, we don't have a 2nd round pick this year, so that could be an issue. Regardless, I'm not sure the organization is a fan of them.