More so in the sense that an offer like that is what would get the Rangers to at least consider possibly trading the pick. Otherwise, it's off-limits.
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More so in the sense that an offer like that is what would get the Rangers to at least consider possibly trading the pick. Otherwise, it's off-limits.
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so assuming Fast stays (which we have a bit of leg to stand on at this point for that), we have a full lineup with no need for McKegg/PdG tomf***ery, assuming no movement. Kravtsov depending on world events may very well be on the roster or in consideration for it next year. Gettinger, as i said like 10 pages ago, should be on the roster now
barring a disastrous camp. really don’t get why he wasn’t here already but whatever. assuming no shockers like Barron come through.
i think we need to start molding some skills we need out of our younger B players, like Lemieux and Gauthier. I’ve been screeching that Lemieux should be PKing and I will continue this screeching for the foreseeable future. I want to see if we can mold Goat into a Pouliot
type, barrel in on the forecheck and be a worker bee+ for a player like Panarin or Kakko. I really saw some good stuff this playoffs that made me believe he could be that kind of player and maybe chip in the odd 25-30 points with consistent line mates. I also will continue stomping my feet to get Chytil on the PK and continue taking those minutes away from Ryan Strome
I know there’s been a desire for a banger type and some PKers and I definitely agree but where would they fit barring movement? if you did something like, say trade Buch for whatever (not that i would but it’s a convenient example) and don’t re-sign Fast, i could see plugging in a Sam Bennett (who i like quite a bit) or even a Namestnikov or Girgensons. and tbh unless there’s a can’t miss center upgrade in front of our face id keep strome for now
just some thoughts. Laf sure changes things a lot.
barring a disastrous camp. really don’t get why he wasn’t here already but whatever. assuming no shockers like Barron come through.
i think we need to start molding some skills we need out of our younger B players, like Lemieux and Gauthier. I’ve been screeching that Lemieux should be PKing and I will continue this screeching for the foreseeable future. I want to see if we can mold Goat into a Pouliot
type, barrel in on the forecheck and be a worker bee+ for a player like Panarin or Kakko. I really saw some good stuff this playoffs that made me believe he could be that kind of player and maybe chip in the odd 25-30 points with consistent line mates. I also will continue stomping my feet to get Chytil on the PK and continue taking those minutes away from Ryan Strome
I know there’s been a desire for a banger type and some PKers and I definitely agree but where would they fit barring movement? if you did something like, say trade Buch for whatever (not that i would but it’s a convenient example) and don’t re-sign Fast, i could see plugging in a Sam Bennett (who i like quite a bit) or even a Namestnikov or Girgensons. and tbh unless there’s a can’t miss center upgrade in front of our face id keep strome for now
just some thoughts. Laf sure changes things a lot.
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Rangers haven't had a 1st OA since 1965. This isn't the time for Gorton and co. to go Galaxy Brain on everybody. 1 for 3,5, your first born. 1 for 3, 5, Tkachuk. Listen, if OTT was dumb enough to do the latter deal, I'd probably do it, but nobody in their right mind would from OTT's perspective. Lafreniere is a game-breaking, superstar talent. Make the pick, move d-prospects out with Buch, and the CAR pick for a legit LHD to pair with Troubs OR a 2C that will be a staple down the middle with Zibanejad for years.
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With the addition of Lafreniere, I think the Rangers are going to target a young top 6 center. And I think they are willing to overpay. But it's going to be tough to find a willing partner.
The motivation to overpay now is that any C they likely draft later in the round 1 or beyond will likely take 2 years to even reach the NHL. I think they want to be contending in 2 years. Plus they have enough young assets accumulated that it's the right time to consider a move like this.
They will look to leverage a team with a disgruntled player, a team wanting to shakeup their core or a team with a cap crunch / desire to reduce salary.
POSSIBLE OPTIONS:
1. Anthony Cirelli (possible top 6 potential)
2. Brayden Point
3. William Nylander
4. Alex Barkov (price would be STEEP but is my fave option based on style he plays and thought of putting him with Kakko is too good)
5. Jack Eichel
6. Matt Barzal (RFA offer sheet)
7. Sean Monahan
8. Elias Lindholm
9. Roope Hintz
The players/assets that the team will dangle.
Carolina's 2020 1st (or any later picks from this draft)
NYR 2021 1st, 2nd, 3rd
NYR 2022 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Buchnevich
Kravtsov
Any prospect below VK in the pipeline (Not named Miller or Lundkvist)
Georgiev
Strome
DeAngelo
Andersson
And, finally if it were someone of Eichel's stature, I wonder if there might be a bigger prospect/young player involved (Chytil?)
if they fail, they will look to resign Strome on a short term deal.
Still think the most logical fit is likely Toronto and Nylander because Toronto could really use Georgiev. But I think the Oilers D are going to be really attractive to the Leafs -- so if Nylander were to be avail in a trade I think Edmonton is our biggest competition.
The motivation to overpay now is that any C they likely draft later in the round 1 or beyond will likely take 2 years to even reach the NHL. I think they want to be contending in 2 years. Plus they have enough young assets accumulated that it's the right time to consider a move like this.
They will look to leverage a team with a disgruntled player, a team wanting to shakeup their core or a team with a cap crunch / desire to reduce salary.
POSSIBLE OPTIONS:
1. Anthony Cirelli (possible top 6 potential)
2. Brayden Point
3. William Nylander
4. Alex Barkov (price would be STEEP but is my fave option based on style he plays and thought of putting him with Kakko is too good)
5. Jack Eichel
6. Matt Barzal (RFA offer sheet)
7. Sean Monahan
8. Elias Lindholm
9. Roope Hintz
The players/assets that the team will dangle.
Carolina's 2020 1st (or any later picks from this draft)
NYR 2021 1st, 2nd, 3rd
NYR 2022 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Buchnevich
Kravtsov
Any prospect below VK in the pipeline (Not named Miller or Lundkvist)
Georgiev
Strome
DeAngelo
Andersson
And, finally if it were someone of Eichel's stature, I wonder if there might be a bigger prospect/young player involved (Chytil?)
if they fail, they will look to resign Strome on a short term deal.
Still think the most logical fit is likely Toronto and Nylander because Toronto could really use Georgiev. But I think the Oilers D are going to be really attractive to the Leafs -- so if Nylander were to be avail in a trade I think Edmonton is our biggest competition.
I haven’t seen Nhltraderumors.me before either, but they quote the Athletic as it’s source. The Athletic is reputable.
Pure speculation on my part, but if there is a young player who could get moved, and one that the Rangers like is Clayton Keller. The interest and connections are there, but this is a kid that got paid and having retirement money in hand for a guy whose gaming time you can multiply significantly versus his training time...
... that said, a new GM, and the fact that he's had a good playoff so far and is the closest thing to a home grown all-star are reasons why ARI would want to keep him. Quinn coached him in BU, and this was purportedly the player the Rangers were going to move McDonagh to EDM for the 4th overall pick in 2016 before JPP ruined those plans.
It's an interesting situation. The player who can be a top 6 center or a RW upgrade from Buch is Nick Schmaltz. That would be a better target imo, and up-grade the team in a very reasonable manner.
... that said, a new GM, and the fact that he's had a good playoff so far and is the closest thing to a home grown all-star are reasons why ARI would want to keep him. Quinn coached him in BU, and this was purportedly the player the Rangers were going to move McDonagh to EDM for the 4th overall pick in 2016 before JPP ruined those plans.
It's an interesting situation. The player who can be a top 6 center or a RW upgrade from Buch is Nick Schmaltz. That would be a better target imo, and up-grade the team in a very reasonable manner.
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They're making what was pure and utter speculation in the Athletic article appear as a genuine trade rumor. Not surprising since it's behind a paywall and most people won't be able to check out the veracity of their claim. It's 100% clickbait bull****.
That's a good wish list, but the guy that I would pay a mild premium for is Hintz. I don't think the Rangers will be in a position this year to trade for a big time player, but using the depth the team accumulated to upgrade an NHL spot is viable.
What would be most important is a LHD that can play 15-18 minutes at 5v5. With the Seattle draft coming up, that player isn't someone you want to pay the moon for since you would have to end up going 4 & 4 in the expansion draft. That said, I can see a forward slot being upgraded. Made some adjustments to your list to organize some NHL options and named some prospects. Needless to say, the Rangers have a lot of currency to make an upgrade.
You can sign a reliable young veteran as a 4th liner. Larsson in BUF is a good UFA to get. Rodrigues won't get picked up at his cap hit, and he's played for Quinn. Good resurrection project, guy has wheels, can play C, and kill penalties. Michael Amadio is a good get if some of LA's kids push him out of the line-up. He's a good modern grinder with NHL experience... one whose good 5v5.
Laf-Zib-Buch Trade
Bread-Strome/Trade-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-VK/Gauthier/Lemeuix/Barron
Howden-Larsson-Richards/Boyd/Amadio
The Rangers need a LHD that gets you 15-18 mins a night 5v5. You can sign a guy like Beaulieu, Merril to two year deals, have it be Seattle friendly, or trade for a guy like Nutivaara.
You're getting a franchise player in Laf, so there isn't a need to make another splashy acquisition. They need to focus on the areas where the roster has some gaps. Good news is that there are plenty of chips to help move things along.
Ghost of jas
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Again, that's what separates him from all of the other previous 1OA's. He may be in the same tier as the likes of Tavares, Matthews and MacKinnon, but he has these added factors on top of it. Plus, I'm thinking the Rangers' PR machine is going to push him as Messier's successor. I have a very hard seeing the Rangers move the pick, no matter what the package is coming back.
Ghost of jas
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Elias Lindholm remains the player I want if the Rangers are pursuing a young center. We know they like him. We know they have asked about him, and we know conversation wasn't shut down when he came up in conversation. We also know the Flames have asked about Buchnevich.
SA16
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Can someone explain to me why the Flames would consider trading Elias Lindholm who is one of their best players, is 25 years old, and is signed extremely cheaply for four more seasons? They don't need someone like DeAngelo either they have a bunch of good D, some young D, and Giordano still who can run their powerplay for two more years.
Strome, Chytil, Buch, Fast all would be replaced by Kravtsov (hopefully), Barron, and a premium #1 center with a package combination of the first 3.
BUT I am taking Lafreniere. He is a franchise altering player. IF the Rangers had a cupboard that was more bare and were already a contending team that was falling off and needed to transition, MAYBE then I justify trading Lafreniere for a haul of 3 prime pieces that can expedite the rebuild/transition. But thats still a maybe because when you get a guy like Lafreniere you can wait things out and let things fall into place the following years with upcoming drafts and roster moves.
But the Rangers are already stocked deep. They have a lot of good young prospects outside the NHL, they have a lot on the NHL roster, and they have a lot of guys in their mid-20’s that can either be part of the core or packaged them for a premium player.
Draft Lafreniere
with depth like that. the obvious smart move would be to try to package together multiple assets for a super start, like Lafreniere
Haha you know, this is all I have been thinking about since Monday. Just absolutely sticking it to all the people who were so fiercely against signing Panarin. The ones who went to war with me over it. Scolded me. Berated me. Because I refused to tank on purpose. I refused to put a piss poor product on the ice. I refused to just ice a bunch of 19-23 year olds and throw them to the wolves because it would be awful for their development. That if we were going to be a bottom 3 team in this league we would do it admirably and play an honest game. I refused to be Edmonton, Buffalo, and now Detroit. It’s bad karma. And I especially hated doing that because its demoralizing for your players, your organization, etc., putting them through that all while knowing its a LOTTERY system and anything can happen.
Well look where we are today....
Eat some crow bitches.
great post...I think next year we should finally have the depth to have a real 4th line so we should hopefully start to see the bottom 6 begin to be molded into something real...
during the carolina series, quinn used chytil, lemieux and fox on the pk which they didn't do much in the regular season so I'm hoping that is a sign that Quinn feels they are ready to be challenged with more responsibility going forward...
as for mckegg & pdg, there is absolutely no room for them in the top 12 assuming that strome is back and especially if Fast is back...but I still expect both to get re-signed for cheap as depth. guys like kravtsov, barron and gettinger need to play in hartford if they aren't in the lineup. so unless there is a better cheap option on the UFA market (I haven't looked) mckegg/pdg can be your 13th forward in the press box. and I would also resign both with the intention of putting them on waivers and trying to send 1 or both to be veterans in hartford (who I think need veterans after a few guys went overseas) as well as injury insurance for ny
I believe that all of their RD are UFAs but its likely no different than most of our wishful targets that aren't actually available.
Ghost of jas
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I was probably one of those posters who wanted this rebuild to happen organically. But, the one thing I have learned through all of this, (most definitely last year, and even moreso this year), is that you just have to let things take their course. For all the kvetching over the OT win over the Penguins at the end of 2018-9, which dropped the Rangers a spot in the lottery, they ended up getting Kakko. For all the rooting for Dallas to get to the Finals last season to get their 1st rounder last year, the Rangers probably selected the player (Robertson) who was going to be available at that spot. And, seeing the team play well and at least make the qualifying round actually put them in position for winning 1OA. You can tank as hard as you want, but there are no guarantees. OTOH, losing against Carolina DID get them Lafreniere (potentially), so there's that.
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Yeah I suspect Ottawa wouldn’t. I’m just saying that’s the offer that would make me consider trading Lafreniere.
As such I suspect he becomes and remains a Ranger.
as I've said many times, I really hope that we find room to keep Fast. I think he is a great veteran leader to have around all the kids with his work ethic. but to state the obvious, its a huge mistake to bring him back to still be on the 2nd line. Its time for Kakko to move up and Fast needs to be dropped down to the 3rd line along side Chytil and ?? to help Chytil grow his all round game.
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Marchand career high points at 31
Kane career high at 30, probably over 100 this year over 82
Malkin (when in the lineup) still great at 34
even Patch had a great year at 31
Wheeler 33
Kopitar 32
Ovi 34
Sid 33
Pavelski up until age 36 was putting up 30
Getzlaf was great until a year a two ago
Point is you can still win a cup with these guys on your team. Panarin is a young 27 and Mika is just breaking out. Some of you are looking way too far into the future or expecting them to go from 100 point players to 50 point players over night.
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So if they're putting up 80-90 at 33 instead of 100+ we have Laf, Kakko, and who knows who else is drafted/picked up. I think it's crazy to worry about right now.
We could pull a Boston and have a line of Panarin-Zib-Kakko/Laf when the other two are 35 and 33. They are still pushing hard for cups.
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There are certainly two sides of this. I was one pushing for Panarin with the idea that every rebuilding team needs to add some talent on top of their youth, and Panarin gives us the best shot to. But had I known last June that Kreider would perform well enough to convince the team to sign him to a long term contract (this is a move I still don’t really agree with) and we would have the 1OA in a year where the top player is a LW, I don’t know that I would’ve been pushing so hard for signing a LW like Panarin.
Of course, on the other other hand, as has been pointed out, you need this specific set of circumstances to get the 1OA at all.
On the other other other hand....
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