Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[Overcast]

Never forget the GOAT

The song makes these.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We can sign a UFA Dman if we feel we need one, I dont think trading assets for Trouba makes sense at this point. Right now it looks there could be a decent amount of UFA dmen on the market.

 

[Machinehead]

All this time our project has been about gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent. At least on HF, that's been the talk. Crosby, Malkin, Oveckin, Backstrom, Kane, Toews, Keith, Doughty, Kopitar, Bergeron, Chara. That wins Stanley Cups. Hall of Famers in multiple positions. There's our formula.

Suddenly, St. Louis wins it. I look at that roster and it's a good roster, but I'm sorry, it blows me away about as much as a light breeze.

ROR is an excellent 200 foot center, but he's not Crosby, Malkin, Backstrom, Kopitar. He's not even Jonathan Toews. Outstanding playoffs, but the guy got hot exactly the right week.

Pietrangelo? Great defenseman. Not an all-time great. Not Doughty, not Keith, not Karlsson. He rates comparably to McDonagh before the injuries.

Tarasenko? There's piercing quality in his game, but his numbers are just very good. By no means did he have an outstanding postseason.

Again, all of them excellent, but none are legit world class. None of them are on their way to the Hall of Fame unless they pocket a couple more of these things.

I'm not making this post to put down the Blues. They did it, and they did it their way. My point is, this proves once and for all that there is no magic recipe.

There's some general ideas, but largely, you need to have your own plan and execute it. You don't build the best team and win the Stanley Cup. You build the best version of YOUR team at the right time and win the Stanley Cup.

Neither Gorton nor Quinn have talked about constructing a world-beating roster. All the talk has been about building a certain kind of team. That doesn't mean it's definitely the right idea or will definitely work, but it's a good start.

 

[Avery16]

On the beach, so I haven’t heard or seen anything. My gut reaction is that Glass is likely someone who will work with/be part of the team that follows up with young players throughout the organization, ensuring they have the support they need. Working to give them resources, keeps tabs, etc.

Maybe if they’re lacking in confidence, he can lose a fight to them.

 

[Ghost of jas]

The Hartford discussion? That was my favorite part of the debate. I am a huge advocate for a full rebrand because I think it matters.

Yup, I think this hiring of Glass fits to a tee what you three were discussing.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Taking crib notes from @Edge and the podcast, I see. And like you, I see no problem in hiring Glass for the position. He was always well-liked by his teammates. He was a hard worker and fiercely loyal. He’s someone who will have a very positive affect on players coming into the organization. He’s not here take icetime from anyone. I don’t see the problem.

Plus, he can teach them how to fight bears.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Plus, he can teach them how to fight bears.

Which is a valuable skill even after their playing careers are over.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Maybe if they’re lacking in confidence, he can lose a fight to them.

Uncalled for. Totally uncalled for.

 

[haohmaru]

All this time our project has been about gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent. At least on HF, that's been the talk. Crosby, Malkin, Oveckin, Backstrom, Kane, Toews, Keith, Doughty, Kopitar, Bergeron, Chara. That wins Stanley Cups. Hall of Famers in multiple positions. There's our formula.

Suddenly, St. Louis wins it. I look at that roster and it's a good roster, but I'm sorry, it blows me away about as much as a light breeze.

ROR is an excellent 200 foot center, but he's not Crosby, Malkin, Backstrom, Kopitar. He's not even Jonathan Toews. Outstanding playoffs, but the guy got hot exactly the right week.

Pietrangelo? Great defenseman. Not an all-time great. Not Doughty, not Keith, not Karlsson. He rates comparably to McDonagh before the injuries.

Tarasenko? There's piercing quality in his game, but his numbers are just very good. By no means did he have an outstanding postseason.

Again, all of them excellent, but none are legit world class. None of them are on their way to the Hall of Fame unless they pocket a couple more of these things.

I'm not making this post to put down the Blues. They did it, and they did it their way. My point is, this proves once and for all that there is no magic recipe.

There's some general ideas, but largely, you need to have your own plan and execute it. You don't build the best team and win the Stanley Cup. You build the best version of YOUR team at the right time and win the Stanley Cup.

Neither Gorton nor Quinn have talked about constructing a world-beating roster. All the talk has been about building a certain kind of team. That doesn't mean it's definitely the right idea or will definitely work, but it's a good start.

You need the right mix of players coming together at the right time and sprinkle in luck, lack of injuries, and key goaltending at key moments coupled with perseverance and belief. That's it.

There is no formula. There is no home-grown top 3 draft pick on that team.

Matter of fact, the Bruins top draft picks, overall, are two 14th's. Homegrown or not.

It's about the right guys elevating. The role players playing their roles. The superstars maybe being less star and more super. Buy into a system and believe in that system.

 

[Ola]

All this time our project has been about gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent. At least on HF, that's been the talk. Crosby, Malkin, Oveckin, Backstrom, Kane, Toews, Keith, Doughty, Kopitar, Bergeron, Chara. That wins Stanley Cups. Hall of Famers in multiple positions. There's our formula.

Suddenly, St. Louis wins it. I look at that roster and it's a good roster, but I'm sorry, it blows me away about as much as a light breeze.

ROR is an excellent 200 foot center, but he's not Crosby, Malkin, Backstrom, Kopitar. He's not even Jonathan Toews. Outstanding playoffs, but the guy got hot exactly the right week.

Pietrangelo? Great defenseman. Not an all-time great. Not Doughty, not Keith, not Karlsson. He rates comparably to McDonagh before the injuries.

Tarasenko? There's piercing quality in his game, but his numbers are just very good. By no means did he have an outstanding postseason.

Again, all of them excellent, but none are legit world class. None of them are on their way to the Hall of Fame unless they pocket a couple more of these things.

I'm not making this post to put down the Blues. They did it, and they did it their way. My point is, this proves once and for all that there is no magic recipe.

There's some general ideas, but largely, you need to have your own plan and execute it. You don't build the best team and win the Stanley Cup. You build the best version of YOUR team at the right time and win the Stanley Cup.

Neither Gorton nor Quinn have talked about constructing a world-beating roster. All the talk has been about building a certain kind of team. That doesn't mean it's definitely the right idea or will definitely work, but it's a good start.

Absolutely, and it just proves what we see on the ice. Go back 10 years and we really had no chance against the best teams. Pittsburgh, Boston, they could be really scary. Washington. But like now even after we have tore down the team completely, we still more or less could compete against most. And among the good teams, anyone can beat everyone on any give night.

CBJ could have won, Dallas could have won, Tampa definitely could have won — and so forth. Two solid durable teams got to the finals. Of course there are lessons that can be learned. But it just as well could have been another team taking it.

 

[Calad]

Trouba is not the answer for this team. Don't want them breaking the bank to give him a huge contract off a career year. Ehlers would be much more interesting to me, however. If the Rangers strike out on Panarin I'd love to see them pursue Ehlers

 

[NYRKING30]

Blues definitely also took advantage of what is considered to be a pretty down year for the West. That matters.

 

[Avery16]

Uncalled for. Totally uncalled for.

If you’re offended by that, then you’re more fragile than Glass (pun intended)

 

[Machinehead]

You need the right mix of players coming together at the right time and sprinkle in luck, lack of injuries, and key goaltending at key moments coupled with perseverance and belief. That's it.

There is no formula. There is no home-grown top 3 draft pick on that team.

Matter of fact, the Bruins top draft picks, overall, are two 14th's. Homegrown or not.

It's about the right guys elevating. The role players playing their roles. The superstars maybe being less star and more super. Buy into a system and believe in that system.

Ok so let's talk about believing in something.

You know what I want? I want teams to be up all night before a game at MSG. I don't know how we establish that culture, but that's what I want.

The Blues were road warriors and I respect that. Again, there's no set way to do it. But I want teams to fear MSG.

Coming to New York City to play a hockey game is like going to f***ing Fuddruckers. It's embarrassing.

That's the thing I want to change about Rangers culture.

 

[NikC]

All this time our project has been about gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent. At least on HF, that's been the talk. Crosby, Malkin, Oveckin, Backstrom, Kane, Toews, Keith, Doughty, Kopitar, Bergeron, Chara. That wins Stanley Cups. Hall of Famers in multiple positions. There's our formula.

Suddenly, St. Louis wins it. I look at that roster and it's a good roster, but I'm sorry, it blows me away about as much as a light breeze.

ROR is an excellent 200 foot center, but he's not Crosby, Malkin, Backstrom, Kopitar. He's not even Jonathan Toews. Outstanding playoffs, but the guy got hot exactly the right week.

Pietrangelo? Great defenseman. Not an all-time great. Not Doughty, not Keith, not Karlsson. He rates comparably to McDonagh before the injuries.

Tarasenko? There's piercing quality in his game, but his numbers are just very good. By no means did he have an outstanding postseason.

Again, all of them excellent, but none are legit world class. None of them are on their way to the Hall of Fame unless they pocket a couple more of these things.

I'm not making this post to put down the Blues. They did it, and they did it their way. My point is, this proves once and for all that there is no magic recipe.

There's some general ideas, but largely, you need to have your own plan and execute it. You don't build the best team and win the Stanley Cup. You build the best version of YOUR team at the right time and win the Stanley Cup.

Neither Gorton nor Quinn have talked about constructing a world-beating roster. All the talk has been about building a certain kind of team. That doesn't mean it's definitely the right idea or will definitely work, but it's a good start.

Blues are the exception not the rule imo.
They've been at it a while. Very physical. Can they repeat? I dunno...

The rangers need to get as talented as possible. Heart and soul teams occasionally win. I'd rather they get as talented as possible

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

If you’re offended by that, then you’re more fragile than Glass (pun intended)

I should have included a sarcasm smiley as well.

 

[Machinehead]

Blues are the exception not the rule imo.
They've been at it a while. Very physical. Can they repeat? I dunno...

The rangers need to get as talented as possible. Heart and soul teams occasionally win. I'd rather they get as talented as possible

If you go by hits (which I concede are not a perfect stat) the Blues are one of the least physical teams in the NHL.

 

[NYR Viper]

Physical play and bigger players who can actually consistently lay a check has swung back into the NHL. For a few years there the bigger guys were jettisoned and it became much more about skill. I think what we saw this year was the return of that hard, grinding style from about 8 years ago. The speed of the game made teams adjust and many of the older players who filled those roles were fine but there appears to be a number of younger players making their way into the league who can play physical, have the speed to get in on the forecheck and have some skill.

That’s not me saying enforcers and all that are coming back. It’s that the pendulum of physical hockey is coming back in a different form that fits the greater speed of the league.

 

[NYR Viper]

Blues are the exception not the rule imo.
They've been at it a while. Very physical. Can they repeat? I dunno...

The rangers need to get as talented as possible. Heart and soul teams occasionally win. I'd rather they get as talented as possible

In fairness, before this most recent stretch of mainly skill teams, the heart and soul teams won many times. They all obviously had skill as well but physical play has been a model for much longer than mainly skill teams when broadening the viewpoint

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

All this time our project has been about gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent. At least on HF, that's been the talk. Crosby, Malkin, Oveckin, Backstrom, Kane, Toews, Keith, Doughty, Kopitar, Bergeron, Chara. That wins Stanley Cups. Hall of Famers in multiple positions. There's our formula.

Suddenly, St. Louis wins it. I look at that roster and it's a good roster, but I'm sorry, it blows me away about as much as a light breeze.

ROR is an excellent 200 foot center, but he's not Crosby, Malkin, Backstrom, Kopitar. He's not even Jonathan Toews. Outstanding playoffs, but the guy got hot exactly the right week.

Pietrangelo? Great defenseman. Not an all-time great. Not Doughty, not Keith, not Karlsson. He rates comparably to McDonagh before the injuries.

Tarasenko? There's piercing quality in his game, but his numbers are just very good. By no means did he have an outstanding postseason.

Again, all of them excellent, but none are legit world class. None of them are on their way to the Hall of Fame unless they pocket a couple more of these things.

I'm not making this post to put down the Blues. They did it, and they did it their way. My point is, this proves once and for all that there is no magic recipe.

There's some general ideas, but largely, you need to have your own plan and execute it. You don't build the best team and win the Stanley Cup. You build the best version of YOUR team at the right time and win the Stanley Cup.

Neither Gorton nor Quinn have talked about constructing a world-beating roster. All the talk has been about building a certain kind of team. That doesn't mean it's definitely the right idea or will definitely work, but it's a good start.

If you're building a team based on a recent trend that works, you're going to miss your chance to make the next trend that works IMO. The game breaking talent allows for players on the team to not pull their weight 100% of the time, but if you're going to go with a depth approach, you're going to need more people playing to the best of their abilities every game and everyone pulling in the same direction to win the Cup. With elite players taking up more cap space than ever (and the back diving contracts that keep cap hits down not being a thing anymore), it feels like it's leveling the playing field somewhat, but I still feel like the depth teams still need a lot of things to go right for them to win, in St Louis' case, the Sharks were a skating hospital toward the end of their series, in the finals, the arguable best line in the NHL was a complete no show, etc.

 

[Machinehead]

As for Glass, I actually don't mind it at all.

Look, I hate appealing to authority, but the overwhelming consensus from everyone who's ever worked with him is that he's an extremely valuable guy to have around.

Now he can do whatever that is and not be on the ice.

 

[Avery16]

Blues will only get better. They are in a great position to defend the Cup. They have a ton of kids pushing in that didn’t even play or hardly played this season (Kostin, Kyrou, Foley, Walman, Reinke) and their pending FA situation is very comfortable. Seeing how well Berube took over halfway through the season, I don’t even want to think what this team will look like with a full offseason and training camp to get ready for next.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

All this time our project has been about gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent, gamebreaking talent. At least on HF, that's been the talk. Crosby, Malkin, Oveckin, Backstrom, Kane, Toews, Keith, Doughty, Kopitar, Bergeron, Chara. That wins Stanley Cups. Hall of Famers in multiple positions. There's our formula.

Suddenly, St. Louis wins it. I look at that roster and it's a good roster, but I'm sorry, it blows me away about as much as a light breeze.

ROR is an excellent 200 foot center, but he's not Crosby, Malkin, Backstrom, Kopitar. He's not even Jonathan Toews. Outstanding playoffs, but the guy got hot exactly the right week.

Pietrangelo? Great defenseman. Not an all-time great. Not Doughty, not Keith, not Karlsson. He rates comparably to McDonagh before the injuries.

Tarasenko? There's piercing quality in his game, but his numbers are just very good. By no means did he have an outstanding postseason.

Again, all of them excellent, but none are legit world class. None of them are on their way to the Hall of Fame unless they pocket a couple more of these things.

I'm not making this post to put down the Blues. They did it, and they did it their way. My point is, this proves once and for all that there is no magic recipe.

There's some general ideas, but largely, you need to have your own plan and execute it. You don't build the best team and win the Stanley Cup. You build the best version of YOUR team at the right time and win the Stanley Cup.

Neither Gorton nor Quinn have talked about constructing a world-beating roster. All the talk has been about building a certain kind of team. That doesn't mean it's definitely the right idea or will definitely work, but it's a good start.

Quite honestly - what is it what really separates 2019 O’Reilly from 2015 Toews, 2012 Kopitar, and 2018 Backstrom?

Before the season I said the Blues had no chance at winning - largely because of the same exact thing you are talking about. But what if we are just underrating O’Reilly or overrating Toews, Kopitar, Backstrom, and Hell, even Bergeron? Bergeron has never posted a playoff run like the one that ROR just did and he got thoroughly outplayed by O’Reilly in the Cup Finals.

 

[Machinehead]

Quite honestly - what is it what really separates 2019 O’Reilly from 2015 Toews, 2012 Kopitar, and 2018 Backstrom?

Before the season I said the Blues had no chance at winning - largely because of the same exact thing you are talking about. But what if we are just underrating O’Reilly or overrating Toews, Kopitar, Backstrom, and Hell, even Bergeron? Bergeron has never posted a playoff run like the one that ROR just did and he got thoroughly outplayed by O’Reilly in the Cup Finals.

You've listed a bunch of down years for those guys and it's equal to the best thing ROR has ever done.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

You've listed a bunch of down years for those guys and it's equal to the best thing ROR has ever done.

Those are the years that they won the Stanley Cup.