Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

[GoAwayPanarin]

Let's change one beaten horse for another.

Who are the vets you target? I want one or two insurance options so no one is forced into something they're not ready for. That's one of the fastest ways to bungle the rebuild.

Williams would definitely be one of my picks. If we can get him on a one-year deal, he's the type of vet who has been through it all.

Is Brett Connolly getting paid big money? If we can get him for a modest contract, he'd be a solid pickup.

Tanev? Dzingel?

Williams, Boyle, Spezza if hes willing to take a year.

Tanev is going to be soooo f***ing overpaid though I really like the player.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

I want Duchene on this team. Perfect fit.

 

[Edge]

Let's change one beaten horse for another.

Who are the vets you target? I want one or two insurance options so no one is forced into something they're not ready for. That's one of the fastest ways to bungle the rebuild.

Williams would definitely be one of my picks. If we can get him on a one-year deal, he's the type of vet who has been through it all.

Is Brett Connolly getting paid big money? If we can get him for a modest contract, he'd be a solid pickup.

Tanev? Dzingel?

Don't we need Dzingel to complete the set for our 2011 Sens first round recreation project?

 

[ETTER DE]

#7 and #8.

The team that has #7 has a bad GM, a superstar who has never played a playoff game and is desperate to make the playoffs in general. Any player they get at 7 will not help them do that anytime soon.

The team that has #8 has a the best player in the world losing patience, their fans losing patience and are desperate to make the playoffs. Any player they get at 8 will not help them do that anytime soon.

The Rangers NEED to target one of these two picks. This is where Gorton has a chance to take advantage of two teams who need actual NHL players, not prospects, on their team to help them win ASAP.

So you are coming around now? Trade Zibanejad after all

 

[McRanger]

Don't we need Dzingel to complete the set for our 2011 Sens first round recreation project?

We'd need Noesen from the Devils for that. I hold out hope he gets waived again.

Edit: Comically enough (considering a different threads discussion) Dzingel looks like he was a 7th round overager.

 

[CommaSynapse]

Don't we need Dzingel to complete the set for our 2011 Sens first round recreation project?

McRanger is right. We need Noesen for that set.

Dzingel would still be part of the overall 2011 draft, though, as was Claesson, so we're making progress regardless.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I really don’t think Kreider has mid first round pick value.

And when is the last time a pending UFA was dealt in a summer sign and trade? Feel like that gets speculated on here (to get excited about a better return) far more than it actually happens. If the NYR cut bait on Kreider is he really willing to sign long term with a new team before stepping foot there?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I really don’t think Kreider has mid first round pick value.

And when is the last time a pending UFA was dealt in a summer sign and trade? Feel like that gets speculated on here (to get excited about a better return) far more than it actually happens. If the NYR cut bait on Kreider is he really willing to sign long term with a new team before stepping foot there?

I mean, that's pretty much what every UFA does.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I really don’t think Kreider has mid first round pick value.

And when is the last time a pending UFA was dealt in a summer sign and trade? Feel like that gets speculated on here (to get excited about a better return) far more than it actually happens. If the NYR cut bait on Kreider is he really willing to sign long term with a new team before stepping foot there?

Ryan O'Reilly.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I want Duchene on this team. Perfect fit.

No, he really isn't.

 

[NYR Viper]

And that's the weird thing when you watch him. I don't see a speed problem. I don't see a skills problem. I see someone who looks like he has having a hell of a time consistently trying to figure out what he's seeing out there on the ice. Or maybe a better way to say it is that he looks like he is struggling to translate what he's seeing into an action or reaction that makes sense.

Chris Kreider would have had VERY similar issues at the same age Pool Party is having issues in the NHL. The size speed and hands are good. He just needs time and minutes to develop. I'd definitely take a flyer

 

[n8]

I'm assuming we are talking about non-Panarin players. We seem to have more high-end prospect and fewer high quality bottom sixers so I'd target Tanev and Hagelin. Our PK needs some serious help and those guys can provide some jam. I'd just be wary of their prices. Looking for something in the $2M range.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Panarin is training to be our next enforcer. Lol

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He mentioned Kane, hes going back to Chicago!!!!!!!!


He has better technique than Hayes and Vesey at least.

 

[Edge]

Chris Kreider would have had VERY similar issues at the same age Pool Party is having issues in the NHL. The size speed and hands are good. He just needs time and minutes to develop. I'd definitely take a flyer

The weird thing is the delay at the AHL level as well.

The difference between the AHL and the NHL is substantial, but I'm not seeing a guy who is struggling to translate between those two levels.

Frankly, if we were to through everything else out the window (draft position, expectations, etc.), he's often looked like a guy who is trying to figure out the AHL, let alone the NHL.

 

[NYR Viper]

The weird thing is the delay at the AHL level as well.

The difference between the AHL and the NHL is substantial, but I'm not seeing a guy who is struggling to translate between those two levels.

Frankly, if we were to through everything else out the window (draft position, expectations, etc.), he's often looked like a guy who is trying to figure out the AHL, let alone the NHL.

Yeah but there are many things that go into that. Kreider's stats at the AHL level weren't spectacular either

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I want Duchene on this team. Perfect fit.

Is you for real?

That guy is Do Not Sign. Headache player is all I've seen, and blazing speed. f*** him and any contract he hopes to sign with us.

I'd rather pick top 5 in the next 10 years than sign that douche.

 

[Edge]

Yeah but there are many things that go into that. Kreider's stats at the AHL level weren't spectacular either

Within reason.

The numbers are very close, but the trending directions really aren't. Kreider tended to grow a little more comfortable in his surroundings, made the jump to the NHL and responded well during a brief return trip the following season.

One could argue that Pool Party's best play at the AHL level was two seasons ago, there's not been a lot of upward trending, nor that jump to the next level. So I'm seeing two players going different ways on a similar road.

We're now three full seasons from the draft, and if you count him sliding a little in the months prior to the draft (falling behind Laine, eventually being passed up by Columbus) we're now talking about three and a half years where Pool Party really hasn't raised his stock, it's just continued to drop. That's part of the bigger, more disappointing story.

Basically, we're giving him the benefit of the doubt for what we saw when Obama was still president.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I want Duchene on this team. Perfect fit.

The guy who requested a trade and then wouldn’t sign with another team because he wants to play in the playoffs and win a cup is going to sign long term with a team who had the lowest amount of ROW wins last season because ________________.

 

[HonestGabe]

Is you for real?

That guy is Do Not Sign. Headache player is all I've seen, and blazing speed. **** him and any contract he hopes to sign with us.

I'd rather pick top 5 in the next 10 years than sign that *****e.

I’m not in favor of signing Duchene either but this seems like unnecessary and misplaced hatred for the player. He’s a 65-70 point center and far from a headache defensively but he will command 9 million a season for the next 7 years and is not the kind of investment this team should be making in a 28 year old UFA.

 

[LORDE]

Well trade yeah, but their big UFA signing on that team is Bozak, who is their 3rd line center.

But here are the home grown Blues...

-Pietrangelo
-Parayko
-Schwartz
-Tarasenko
-Steen
-Barbashev
-Binnington
-Dunn
- Perron kind of, he came back as a UFA but he was originally a blue.
- Thomas
- Blais
- Edmunson

Guys they traded for

- O'Reilly
- Schenn
- Gunnarson
- Bouwmeester
- Bortuzzo (They lost this trade too, Cole is way better than this dope.)
- Sundqvist
- Sanford (who they added in the Shattenkirk trade, which was made while the team was still in playoff position, so this wasn't an "add to win" move.)


Guys they signed

- Bozak
- Maroon
- Perron

The core of that team was very much built through the draft, they then used assets they had accumulated over the years to fill in the gaps with quality bodies where they had holes (down the middle.) The large majority of the guys they added via trade or UFA are middle/bottom pairing D and bottom 6 forwards.

You need to build your foundation through the draft, and history would show that you don't help build that foundation by signing expensive free agents before you know what you have internally (Yes I know, Boston did it but they gambled and got lucky, Minnesota gambled and lost.) I know one little eensy weensy FA signing doesn't seem like it shifts the tide all that much, but it does.

My god I love u

Post of the yr for me

 

[Gardner McKay]

Williams, Boyle, Spezza if hes willing to take a year.

Tanev is going to be soooo ****ing overpaid though I really like the player.

I thought Spezza already signed in Ottawa? Or am I losing my mind?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I mean, that's pretty much what every UFA does.

Sure but after seeing a full field of suitors. I’m talking about a UFA giving up the right to test the field a year early in the summer.

Sure, after viewing a full field of

Ryan O'Reilly.

He wasn’t a UFA was he?

 

[Leetch3]

Sure but after seeing a full field of suitors. I’m talking about a UFA giving up the right to test the field a year early in the summer.

Sure, after viewing a full field of


He wasn’t a UFA was he?

ROR was a UFA...he was traded by Colorado to Buffalo on 6/26/15 and then on 7/3/15 signed a 7 year deal with the sabres. So he was a UFA that got traded and then signed with the team that traded for him, not a sign and trade

 

[Zibanejbread]

I thought Spezza already signed in Ottawa? Or am I losing my mind?

You're losing your mind.