What if your overpaying to get them to sign here? Especially after you see how much JEFF SKINNER signed for? 9,5 out of 10 free agents we ever signed pretty much all ended badly. All the kids we have now and will have after next year's draft won't play for the Rangers. A lot of this is also about timing too.
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kinger8998
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but the whole point of this is that these free agents have expressed a desire to play in NY. 10/10 of the other free agents were not the calibre of EK or Panarin. Obviously not saying we're going to get a major discount or anything, but i don't think we'll really need to overpay.
Panarin has been rumored to either want a NY, FL or CHI for the last year. EK apparently wants NY, TB, or OTT. I don't think if their pools are that small, you will need to really overpay, especially when FL will be in on Bob, CHI is already paying Toews&Kane 10.5 each while OTT doesn't want EK and Tampa doesn't have the cap. They narrowed down their options by so much that some of their options even ruled themselves out, leaving NY looking like a damn good contender and one of the only viable ones.
I get what you're saying about Skinner but I also think the Sabres knew he was going to listen to a lot of teams, not just a select few like the other big fish. That leads me to beleiev they knew they had to make a high offer if they wanted to keep him off the market.
Good point on timing too, but i am of the opinion that whether or not we are a playoff team in 2 or 3 years (i say 2 for playoffs, contending in 3), that the timing is never wrong to sign a player of either of their level when they want to play for you, so the salary will likely make sense
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Ducks fans weren't really into giving up the #9 OA and rightfully so. Taking out that of a trade, Perry + #29 OA + B prospect for Shattenkirk @50%?
Yeah giving up the 9th overall is terrible asset management unless you're getting a really good player coming back in the deal.
The Ducks don't really need to free up cap space that badly. So I don't know how appealing 50% retention would be in a deal. Kesler is probably going on LTIR and they have about $9M in cap space right now with nobody notable to sign.
As far as the sweetener I'd be way more interested in one of the young power-forwards they've been grooming. Ritchie, Comtois, and Jones are all players who aren't "wow" types of players but they're guys you benefit from. They bring the physical element and can still skate a regular shift and produce along side skilled players. They're all NHL players right now and more appealing to me than a draft pick, IMO.
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I do like Jones, but Viper is remarkably consistent from post to post. We need that on a rebuilding team.
What use do we have of Smith as a 13th forward? Is it not better to try to get red of his contract? I know the owners has money, but were talking many millions here. If we want the owner to spend, Gorton should at least try to get rid of contracts like Smith`s and Shattenkirk`s. Maybe that money can be used to take on another bad contract and a good pick or prospect.
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Yeah, dumping Perry doesn't seem like that urgent of a situation for them. Compare it to the Callahan thing we talk about on here, where at least the Lightning are trying to be the Golden State Warriors and they really need to get rid of the guy. I'm not crazy in love with Brett Howden, but I wouldn't give him up to move two of our overpaid veteran defensemen because they don't matter that much.
I don’t want this. Anyways, it’s not whether or not to get rid of the contracts, it’s how much are we willing to pay to do it. There’s virtually no immediate benefit to clearing the caproom, so I’m not willing to pay much of anything to move the contracts. Let the contracts expire and they can rot in a press box if a rookie takes their spot. If you can find a trading partner that makes sense, great. But let’s be realistic here.
Should we sign everyone that expresses a desire to play in NY? These guys take tax rates into account. EK has disaster written all over it, he is breaking down fast, although still very good considering, that is one risk I don't want to take. Your almost gonna double some of these guys salary and hoping that their production stays what it was, their production isn't going to increase. Florida is going to be in on both Bob and Arty, plus I don't actually think its going to take as much to sign Bob as much as people think its going to be.
To your last point, I can definitely see this team as a possible playoff team in 2 years but a contender in 3 years? That IMO, is entirely overly optimistic. The only way I see Panarin in a Ranger uniform in October, is if it is on Gorton's terms. Stay patient, stay the course. No buyouts, Try to accumulate more assets by taking on bad contracts for a year. Let our bad contracts run out organically or trade with retention. Lets reassess where we are at as an organization next year.
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I think you summed it up pretty well from the Ducks perspective. Given that we are not really contending, and likely not necessarily going to be using any savings from jettisoning Perry, I just can't see moving any key pieces, such as 1st round picks and key prospects, in order to shed his remaining two years.
If the right amount of retention, salary kick backs and 'B' pieces can't make that contract go away, it just makes more sense to sit on it or buy him out for the solid amount of savings that provides. I don't think adding a guy like Shattenkirk really changes the sentiment given the direction of the team.
I just can't see giving up good young players like Ritchie, Jones, Comtois just to be rid of Perry, if anything the idea is to try and open up more room for these young wingers.
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Karlsson won't sign that type of contract. This is likely his last contract he will get big money for and will want it long term before other teams figure out that they aren't getting the great Karlsson of old. I'm hoping he signs else where. That contract will be horrendous in even his first 3 years. And I'm okay with signing panarin but ho estly with the crazy money that skinner just got the breadman will be looking to cash In and while he is worth inking, I just dont think that he is worth paying over market value compared to a guy like McDavid. Panarin. Will want 12-13 after skinners albatross contract. To me I'd much rather wait, let our own shitty contracts run out and in 2 years we have money to go after big name free agents. Stay the course and sign players like Simmonds, Panik, Ennis, whatever for cheap and short term deals. Trade them at the deadline for draft capital to continue to build through the draft like championship teams. I mean why not just wait for Taylor hall next year then we have 3 expiring contracts that we can trade in shatty Smith and Staal. Nothing wrong with waiting and doing rebuilding the right way. I'd rather have a few more blahs seasons and be a power house than just squeak into the playoffs and be up against the cap
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i can get on board with the hall signing, but if panarin can be had at 11, i think you pull the trigger now. if he's looking at skinner and saying 12-13, let him be paid that much elsewhere, and attempt to sign hall to a large deal like that.
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it may be overly optimistic, but with progression from kakko, buch, kravtsov, chytil, deangelo, fox, hajek and the addition of panarin/hall/different free agent signings, i think this team can surprise. hank mentoring shesterkin will be good for him, and any team with an elite goalie and some firepower can make a run.
obviously making a run and contending aren't really the same thing, but imo 3-4 years is a good estimate as to when this team will be making deep runs again.
also, i wouldn't classify karlsson and panarin as everyone who wants to play in new york. these guys are elite talents that don't always come around for just cap space. otherwise we'd need to really hit on a draft pick or give up signifigant assets to acquire
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So I don’t mean to toot my own horn, but I’m glad you and Edge got together on this after I mentioned it. Loving the Podcast so far AK
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I’m beyond flattered that I’m even a topic of discussion in this thread
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Thanks! I wasn't sure if it was you or Gardner McKay. I decided to just play it safe haha. And thanks! It's been fun. We only starteed 7-8 weeks ago but it has come a long way in such a short time. Great logo, killer intro and some interesting guests already
It’s been mentioned that he and BM aren’t seeing eye-to-eye. Maybe both sides just want a change?
Anaheim need a RHS PPQB. People are assuming that Perry is totally done, I don’t think that is the case. He still plays with a ton of emotions and is good around the net. Good shot. He is still a fairly good player. From my POV he is definitely still better than Simmonds.
I think it’s easier to deal Perry at the deadline than Shatty. If Anaheim retains so that it’s a cap neutral deal I would deal Shatty for Perry straight up. Get rid of one of Vesey/Names. Then we can send Perry somewhere at the deadline if we aren’t competing for a PO spot.
Which contender is picking up Perry now? He has parked his family in London, Ont. Would he waive for us? Maybe not, but I recon there are worse places to spend some time than on Manhattan.
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