Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIX

[Avery16]

Chytil getting a look at 2C at some point throughout the season is developing a player.

Chytil getting a look at 2C because they think he's a more viable option than Strome is not an accurate description of the situation

Have you talked with the coaching staff?

 

[True Blue]

Is an ADA/Trouba pairing more or less asinine than Brendan Smith getting top-pairing minutes?

Much less

 

[True Blue]

Exactly. And unlike certain other people, you're not a rude dick about it either. (The "good talk" was semi-sarcastic, based solely on the fact that we think the polar opposite sides of those points)

Ahh. My bad. Things sometimes do not come through clearly in print

 

[UnSandvich]

Ahh. My bad. Things sometimes do not come through clearly in print

Definitely. Reading it back I can definitely see where someone could read it wrong

 

[True Blue]

IMO the top 9 next year is ideally(this isn't particularly assigning a Line 1, Line 2, Line 3 but simply just line combos I think could work):

Laf - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Strome - Fast
Kreider - Chytil - Buch

I cannot see the coaching staff disrupting the chemistry that Kreider has with Zbad and placing the kid there. Same goes for Buch. I think that Kreider and Buch (provided that he is not traded) stay with ZBad.

Otoh, I can see Kakko playing with Strome and Panarin. That is no matter what happens with Fast.

I still feel that there is another move that will be made. I can also see an all Kid third line.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I cannot see the coaching staff disrupting the chemistry that Kreider has with Zbad and placing the kid there. Same goes for Buch. I think that Kreider and Buch (provided that he is not traded) stay with ZBad.

Otoh, I can see Kakko playing with Strome and Panarin. That is no matter what happens with Fast.

I still feel that there is another move that will be made. I can also see an all Kid third line.

Kreider has also shown very good chemistry with Chytil. Moving him next to Chytil would allow Quinn to balance all three lines by putting a veteran with a younger player - Zibanejad and Lafreniere (which seems like a perfect fit), Kreider and Chytil, and Panarin and Kakko.

 

[Ola]

1. Max Domi isn't playing a ton for MTL. Some PP time and avg 5 on 5 time. He only have pts in 1 of 8 games since play resumed. He is a RFA with arbitration rights. With Kotkaniemi and Suzukis emergance as centers there isn't much room for him in MTL.

I've followed him some when MTL is playing. I am definitely convinced that he is a center that is a much better fit with our younger wingers and that he would support them a lot more than Strome/Chytil does. He gets to the puck quickly. He gets away from the first pressure and is really good at fast delivering passes up his wings. His balance is world class. He also supports his wingers well. I definitly think Gorton should pursue him if possible and make necessary changes to get him into the top 9 as a center. Just like JT Miller has thrived with Vancouver's top young players I think Max Domi has every opportunity to do the same with our young wingers. And its not just Laf, I think he especially would be a great fit with Kakko but also Kravy/Buch and co.

2. Mikhail Sergachev is playing better and better for Tampa. Its not strange, the kid is just 22 y/o even if he has been around for a while. D's need time. He moves really well. He is very strong on his skates and he is very strong physically. He plays perfectly OK D. He moves the puck well. Got a really heavy shot.

Tampa got 4m of cap space and 15 players signed for next season. 10 forwards, 3 Ds and 2 goalies. The Ds are Vic Hedman, McD and a 35 y/o Coburn. The later is a healthy scratch right now, I think. Haven't played at least. Shatty and Sergachev are UFAs and Erik Cernak -- who is playing really well for them -- is a RFA without arb. rights. Up front Cirelli is a RFA.

Something gotta give for them. Its as simple as that. Could they match an offer sheet for say 7m per for Sergachev? I think it would be really really tough. They need to fill -- five positions -- no matter what. Lets say 1 of them are Sergachev for 7m. The others are No 1 RD, no 2 RD, Cirelli, and so forth. Lets say they can bridge Cirelli to 3m per, Cernak 2m per, and the other two at 1m each, 7m more and 14m in total. They would need to clear 10m. Trading Stamkos wouldn't be enough. They would need to dump someone more.

I definitely think/hope that Gorton is considering this option long and hard.

 

[romba]

Whiskey isn ice. Forr breakfast too

yez

 

[IDvsEGO]

I cannot see the coaching staff disrupting the chemistry that Kreider has with Zbad and placing the kid there. Same goes for Buch. I think that Kreider and Buch (provided that he is not traded) stay with ZBad.

Otoh, I can see Kakko playing with Strome and Panarin. That is no matter what happens with Fast.

I still feel that there is another move that will be made. I can also see an all Kid third line.

I actually don't think Mika and kreider had great chemistry. I think Mika and buch had very good chemistry and buch and kreider had good chemistry, buch as much as people underestimate him was likely the piece that made that line click.

edited : because mobile sucks

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

1. Max Domi isn't playing a ton for MTL. Some PP time and avg 5 on 5 time. He only have pts in 1 of 8 games since play resumed. He is a RFA with arbitration rights. With Kotkaniemi and Suzukis emergance as centers there isn't much room for him in MTL.

I've followed him some when MTL is playing. I am definitely convinced that he is a center that is a much better fit with our younger wingers and that he would support them a lot more than Strome/Chytil does. He gets to the puck quickly. He gets away from the first pressure and is really good at fast delivering passes up his wings. His balance is world class. He also supports his wingers well. I definitly think Gorton should pursue him if possible and make necessary changes to get him into the top 9 as a center. Just like JT Miller has thrived with Vancouver's top young players I think Max Domi has every opportunity to do the same with our young wingers. And its not just Laf, I think he especially would be a great fit with Kakko but also Kravy/Buch and co.

2. Mikhail Sergachev is playing better and better for Tampa. Its not strange, the kid is just 22 y/o even if he has been around for a while. D's need time. He moves really well. He is very strong on his skates and he is very strong physically. He plays perfectly OK D. He moves the puck well. Got a really heavy shot.

Tampa got 4m of cap space and 15 players signed for next season. 10 forwards, 3 Ds and 2 goalies. The Ds are Vic Hedman, McD and a 35 y/o Coburn. The later is a healthy scratch right now, I think. Haven't played at least. Shatty and Sergachev are UFAs and Erik Cernak -- who is playing really well for them -- is a RFA without arb. rights. Up front Cirelli is a RFA.

Something gotta give for them. Its as simple as that. Could they match an offer sheet for say 7m per for Sergachev? I think it would be really really tough. They need to fill -- five positions -- no matter what. Lets say 1 of them are Sergachev for 7m. The others are No 1 RD, no 2 RD, Cirelli, and so forth. Lets say they can bridge Cirelli to 3m per, Cernak 2m per, and the other two at 1m each, 7m more and 14m in total. They would need to clear 10m. Trading Stamkos wouldn't be enough. They would need to dump someone more.

I definitely think/hope that Gorton is considering this option long and hard.

Domi, Sergachev, Cirelli are not available at or near market rate. No idea why people here think so

 

[Edge]

Max Domi could be the boom or bust option.

He could do great here, or it could be a poor return on investment (depending on the cost).

 

[McSauer]

I cringe when I see Fast in top-9 projections, and it's even worse when he's in the top-6...

Great support player, but should be nowhere NEAR a competitive team's top-9; perfect 4th line, PK, leader, etc. But I couldn't stand watching him on that second line, blowing golden chance after chance that Panarin was spoon-feeding him.

I think we have the RW depth to either let him go, or staple him to the 4th (if we allocate the funds for his return).

 

[SA16]

1. Max Domi isn't playing a ton for MTL. Some PP time and avg 5 on 5 time. He only have pts in 1 of 8 games since play resumed. He is a RFA with arbitration rights. With Kotkaniemi and Suzukis emergance as centers there isn't much room for him in MTL.

I've followed him some when MTL is playing. I am definitely convinced that he is a center that is a much better fit with our younger wingers and that he would support them a lot more than Strome/Chytil does. He gets to the puck quickly. He gets away from the first pressure and is really good at fast delivering passes up his wings. His balance is world class. He also supports his wingers well. I definitly think Gorton should pursue him if possible and make necessary changes to get him into the top 9 as a center. Just like JT Miller has thrived with Vancouver's top young players I think Max Domi has every opportunity to do the same with our young wingers. And its not just Laf, I think he especially would be a great fit with Kakko but also Kravy/Buch and co.

2. Mikhail Sergachev is playing better and better for Tampa. Its not strange, the kid is just 22 y/o even if he has been around for a while. D's need time. He moves really well. He is very strong on his skates and he is very strong physically. He plays perfectly OK D. He moves the puck well. Got a really heavy shot.

Tampa got 4m of cap space and 15 players signed for next season. 10 forwards, 3 Ds and 2 goalies. The Ds are Vic Hedman, McD and a 35 y/o Coburn. The later is a healthy scratch right now, I think. Haven't played at least. Shatty and Sergachev are UFAs and Erik Cernak -- who is playing really well for them -- is a RFA without arb. rights. Up front Cirelli is a RFA.

Something gotta give for them. Its as simple as that. Could they match an offer sheet for say 7m per for Sergachev? I think it would be really really tough. They need to fill -- five positions -- no matter what. Lets say 1 of them are Sergachev for 7m. The others are No 1 RD, no 2 RD, Cirelli, and so forth. Lets say they can bridge Cirelli to 3m per, Cernak 2m per, and the other two at 1m each, 7m more and 14m in total. They would need to clear 10m. Trading Stamkos wouldn't be enough. They would need to dump someone more.

I definitely think/hope that Gorton is considering this option long and hard.

You want to give up an unprotected 1st/3rd for the rights to sign Sergachev to an above market value deal?

That's more money than Provorov, Werenski and McAvoy all got and 1M less than Chabot. No thanks.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

I cannot see the coaching staff disrupting the chemistry that Kreider has with Zbad and placing the kid there. Same goes for Buch. I think that Kreider and Buch (provided that he is not traded) stay with ZBad.

Otoh, I can see Kakko playing with Strome and Panarin. That is no matter what happens with Fast.

I still feel that there is another move that will be made. I can also see an all Kid third line.

I like KZB a lot no doubt but KCB also showed a lot of promise and had great numbers together. You never know how Zib could do with such an amazing disher like Laf who is LH. And I do t think if Fast returns, that the Rangers should take him off Panarin’s line. I’m not sure why everyone is so fixated on doing that. Kakko wasn’t ever productive as Panarin’s RW this season either and Fast brings a different element that meshes with Panarin.

 

[RGY]

See above

I wasn’t sure if it was October or November and quite honestly was too lazy to check that.

 

[mas0764]

I wonder what the cost is on Keller. He's interesting.

 

[effen]

Domi, Sergachev, Cirelli are not available at or near market rate. No idea why people here think so

we're bored

I find any of them supremely unlikely given the timetable for contention isn't next year but the year after and upper management seems under zero heat

 

[effen]

I wonder what the cost is on Keller. He's interesting.

they'd have to move around a lot of salary to make him work in the short term, and in the long term even more. really doubt it.

as an aside, I find it very unlikely TPTB will break up KZB which has only been a top flight 1st line for a couple years now. them taking pressure off Laf/Kakko is a lot more valuable than spreading the wealth through the lineup for the sake of balance, which is a hypothetical in and of itself given how unpredictable line chemistry is.. but I get it, boredom.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I would think Domi is very available and I don't see how Tampa keeps Cirelli AND Sergachev.

 

[TominNC]

LAF (draft #1) - Zibanejad - Kreider
Panarin - W. Nylander (trade) - Kakko
C. Wilson (UFA) - Chytil - J. Andersson (trade)
Lemmy - Howden - Goat
Cheap Grinder?, Kravtsov

J. Brodin (trade) - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
C. Soucy (UFA) - Smith/McDermid (trade)

Czar
UFA Backup

Traded
ADA
Buch
Strome
Georgiev
Lias
Hajek?
Prospects/picks (likely both ways)

Bought out
Staal

If possible, try to draft up with our second #1 pick

Arrrrrrrrrrrr

What happens to Hank in your over aggressive scenario

 

[NYR Viper]

Max Domi could be the boom or bust option.

He could do great here, or it could be a poor return on investment (depending on the cost).

I would foresee him and Lemieux absolutely killing it together

 

[Avery16]

What happens to Hank in your over aggressive scenario

Walks the plank.

 

[SA16]

If we're trying to bring in a more all around center instead of Strome, Domi is not the guy. He's another guy who is horrible defensively. At least he isn't as bad with the penalty differential.

 

[pld459666]

Have you talked with the coaching staff?

I have.

 

[effen]

If we're trying to bring in a more all around center instead of Strome, Domi is not the guy. He's another guy who is horrible defensively. At least he isn't as bad with the penalty differential.

Unless he's gotten for a song or a salary swap I don't see how he fits structurally. In a "good" scenario he's a lateral move on Strome with ??? chemistry with Panarin doing some things better and some things worse. IDK if he's horrible defensively but he's at least not good and is yet another guy who can't win faceoffs.

He would be fun on an agitating 3rd line with Lemieux but you'd need a really good all-around 2nd line to take the tougher matchups and Panarin and rookie/2nd year wings are kinda slotted there.