Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII

[FIRE DRURY]

It depends on the C and the W.

I’d take Kane over Toews.

Kane’s the better player.

Would you prefer Kane as a Winger or Center if he played both positions at an elite level?

 

[SA16]

Gorilla Glue? Bubble kush? NYC Diesel?

What are you smoking?

Do you enjoy posting nonsense that has nothing to do with hockey in a hockey thread?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I would LOVE to find a Top 5 player in the league who would only get a 7/77 contract.

If you're finding yourself into thinking this way, you've already lost and don't understand the current cap system.

Panarins not a top 5 player in this league.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Do you enjoy posting nonsense that has nothing to do with hockey in a hockey thread?

It’s pretty much on par with the nonsense you posted.

 

[Irishguy42]

Panarins not a top 5 player in this league.

Yes...which is why 7/77 is a great deal for him. You completely missed the point.

Top 5 players in this league, which you are apparently holding out for in terms of giving a 7/77 deal, would cost way more if they became free agents now.

 

[Trxjw]

The cost of acquiring him is going to be pretty painful too.

That's also true.

 

[SA16]

It’s pretty much on par with the nonsense you posted.

In fantasy football in previous years was Rob Gronkowski's value not higher than it would have been if he were a WR due to how much better he was than other tight ends? There are many more good centers than good wings. Therefore the top wings can provide more value over their replacements as their replacements are far worse. 26 of the top 50 scorers in the league this year (forwards) were centers. However there are 1/2 as many centers in the league as wings.

 

[Avery16]

I have a quiet yearning that Florida may be a red herring for Panarin.

Fixed it for ya

 

[Avery16]

Here’s a question for the Pro Panarin crowd.

Our greatest fears come true and he starts declining at 30.

So, in year 3 of his 7 year contract he falls victim to Father Time and his production drops from the 80 point range to the 60 point range.

What do you do? What can you do? He’s locked up for another 4 years with a NMC absorbing 13% of our teams cap.

You’re forgetting plain old willpower. He might just decide to start mailing it in at 30. What could we do if so? Not a damn thing.

 

[Trxjw]

This is true, but they don’t all need to own the game in traffic. We have guys who can do that.

True but I think Nylander could be too far in that direction. I may very well be wrong though.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Yes...which is why 7/77 is a great deal for him. You completely missed the point.

Top 5 players in this league, which you are apparently holding out for in terms of giving a 7/77 deal, would cost way more if they became free agents now.

Giant swing and miss on whatever point you were trying to make.

How about a mulligan?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

In fantasy football in previous years was Rob Gronkowski's value not higher than it would have been if he were a WR due to how much better he was than other tight ends? There are many more good centers than good wings. Therefore the top wings can provide more value over their replacements as their replacements are far worse. 26 of the top 50 scorers in the league this year (forwards) were centers. However there are 1/2 as many centers in the league as wings.

Not a good analogy.

 

[SA16]

Not a good analogy.

lol k i'm sorry you lack the intelligence to understand it good night.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Giant swing and miss on whatever point you were trying to make.

How about a mulligan?

He could have made 13M per from SJ, so no. We had this same discussion weeks ago.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

lol k i'm sorry you lack the intelligence to understand it good night.

Whatever analogy you are trying to come up with won’t convince me that Winger is a more important position to a hockey team than Center.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kane’s the better player.

Would you prefer Kane as a Winger or Center if he played both positions at an elite level?

Which version is better?

That’s the point I was making.

 

[Irishguy42]

Yeah. Having an 88pt player who almost scored 50 goals really is a swing and a miss.

SJS and NYI offered him more money.

Your turn to mulligan.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

That's a risk you take with every UFA. You may as well just never sign anyone in that case.

Besides, Panarin plays like Zucc and he's a high-level performer at 31. Panarin isn't going to decline short of injury. I'd put money on it.

Sounds like a good plan.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He could have made 13M per from SJ, so no. We had this same discussion weeks ago.

I don’t give a damn what he could have made. He signed a 7 year/77M contract.

 

[SA16]

Yeah. Having an 88pt player who scored 40 goals really is a swing and a miss.

SJS and NYI offered him more money.

Your turn to mulligan.

1. Tavares is not even definitively a top 5 center in the league (he's certainly behind McDavid, Crosby, MacKinnon) let alone a top 5 player

2. He took at least 2M than other teams offered

3. Lol.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I don’t give a damn what he could have made. He signed a 7 year/77M contract.

So you don't care about what the actual market value is for elite players. 11M under an 82M cap is what elite, not top-5 players make. Tavares who isn't top-5, but provides similar value to Panarin got offered more than that by 2 teams. Clearly 7/77 is not what top-5 players can make in the current era.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Yeah. Having an 88pt player who almost scored 50 goals really is a swing and a miss.

SJS and NYI offered him more money.

Your turn to mulligan.

Top 5 players in this league, which you are apparently holding out for in terms of giving a 7/77 deal, would cost way more if they became free agents now.

Dude, you’re just playing yourself right now.

 

[Irishguy42]

Dude, you’re just playing yourself right now.

You still don't get it. I'm sorry.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Which version is better?

That’s the point I was making.

Let’s assume he’s equally as good at Center as he is as a Winger.

 

[SA16]

Whatever analogy you are trying to come up with won’t convince me that Winger is a more important position to a hockey team than Center.

If you're so set in your way and beliefs then I honestly have no idea why you are even here. People used to believe being a stay at home defenseman was the most important thing about defense. They believed that batting average was the most important thing for a hitter. They believed that sacrifice bunting with hitters was a good strategy. They believed that playing a stand up style as a goalie was a good style. They were all wrong. Maybe, just maybe, try considering that your null hypothesis may actually be wrong and consider alternatives. I can easily be wrong here too but it is indisputable that there are less high quality wings than there are centers which is why I have theorized that they may actually provide more value over replacement even if their actual value is lower.