Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII Time for Curtis Lazar?

[Gardner McKay]

Don't speak to soon. Next thing you know...

Shit. Touche....

 

[egelband]

Give me Gettinger over Haley.

If Gettinger has a future with the team, and I hope he does? Absolutely let him get that experience. But I’m totally cool with Haley. He is a fine role player and a good example. And it’s not like the Rangers are overflowing with vets. I might even bring him back next year as strictly a 13th man if there are no other veterans added and if, say, Fast leaves.

 

[egelband]

Yeah I def respect people whose only contribution on the ice is to increase CTE chances in their opponents and themselves beyond the opportunities that already exist.

All kidding aside, Haley is meh. Not really impactful on the ice either positively or negatively (which is better than other players NYR have brought on in the past in this role, like Glass). Only thing that sticks out about him is his ability to take penalties.

Pass, even for the AHL.

You consider him a dirty player? If he is, and I’m only familiar with his Ranger action, then I would agree he can go.
But my impression was that he’s a guy who plays clean, especially considering how hard he plays.

 

[egelband]

Gettinger IMO could make it. He's got to set his sights right. He's never going to be a top 6 and maybe not even a top 9. His size and reach could be valuable though--play hard along the boards, be defensively responsible and kill penalties--once in a while knock in a goal--maybe even have a fight two or three times a year. He's not a bad skater and he has decent hands and a huge wingspan. There's a lot to work with there. Brian Boyle carved out a career pretty much doing all of that.

If he’s mobile enough he’s an octopus and really a pain for opposing power plays. Could occupy half the zone.

 

[eco's bones]

If he’s mobile enough he’s an octopus and really a pain for opposing power plays. Could occupy half the zone.

I think he's been doing a fair amount of penalty killing in Hartford. I think the Rangers are trying to groom him into a 4th liner. If he stayed healthy though he would be putting up better numbers.

 

[UnSandvich]

You consider him a dirty player? If he is, and I’m only familiar with his Ranger action, then I would agree he can go.
But my impression was that he’s a guy who plays clean, especially considering how hard he plays.

 

[NYR Viper]

Definitely. The ~$500K AAV 2-3 year AHL contracts are something the Rangers should employ more often.

Exactly. It's about building a solid foundation and employ guys who can teach the kids. Money is nothing for this organization.

 

[Mikos87]

If Gettinger has a future with the team, and I hope he does? Absolutely let him get that experience. But I’m totally cool with Haley. He is a fine role player and a good example. And it’s not like the Rangers are overflowing with vets. I might even bring him back next year as strictly a 13th man if there are no other veterans added and if, say, Fast leaves.

I think Getts is a guy they keep around, but move before hitting waivers. He's got too lean down imo, and give himself the Brian Boyle treatment. Be a skater, and a checker who is really smart about using his size effectively.

I don't think the 2011 Brian Boyle was received too well here, but the guy from 2012 to 2015 was an outstanding 4th liner. It's a short peak, but with some effective years around a career.

If Brenden Lemeuix can't turn into a 3rd PK forward option, then maybe Getts has a path. But from what I saw at the NHL game, he was not close to being ready.

 

[Anthony5967]

People are comparing the Nash return to Eichel. Keep in mind that Nash was 28 in his first season with us. Eichel is 23 years old. Eichel is years away from his prime AND is locked up. Chytil, Lundkvist, and a first that isn't top-5 isn't getting it done. I also, unless something changes with the cap, can't see many moves happening this offseason, especially something like this in terms of salary. It would have to wait another year. With Henrik, Staal, and Smith all coming off the books, there won't be any issues fitting his salary in.

If DeAngelo goes, I keep Lundkvist, and vice versa. I'd think they'd want a C to replace Eichel. Have to think the NYR bridge Strome and keep him around for a little, 3 years or so. If Strome has another big year with Panarin, maybe he fits in a deal, and Buffalo buys the production is real.

Strome+Kravtsov+Lundkvist+Henriksson+1st RD Pick

 

[True Blue]

Don't speak to soon. Next thing you know...

With the NBA getting ready to play, I do not think that the NHL really wants to push the envelope like MLB is right now.

 

[True Blue]

If Gettinger has a future with the team, and I hope he does? Absolutely let him get that experience. But I’m totally cool with Haley. He is a fine role player and a good example. And it’s not like the Rangers are overflowing with vets. I might even bring him back next year as strictly a 13th man if there are no other veterans added and if, say, Fast leaves.

Agreed. Knows his role and does it well. No need to bury a rookie in such a role and minutes.

 

[Leetch3]

People are comparing the Nash return to Eichel. Keep in mind that Nash was 28 in his first season with us. Eichel is 23 years old. Eichel is years away from his prime AND is locked up. Chytil, Lundkvist, and a first that isn't top-5 isn't getting it done. I also, unless something changes with the cap, can't see many moves happening this offseason, especially something like this in terms of salary. It would have to wait another year. With Henrik, Staal, and Smith all coming off the books, there won't be any issues fitting his salary in.

If DeAngelo goes, I keep Lundkvist, and vice versa. I'd think they'd want a C to replace Eichel. Have to think the NYR bridge Strome and keep him around for a little, 3 years or so. If Strome has another big year with Panarin, maybe he fits in a deal, and Buffalo buys the production is real.

Strome+Kravtsov+Lundkvist+Henriksson+1st RD Pick

lol if that trade gets it done, to be fair we should also offer Jason Botterill a scouting position so he has a job after he gets fired as gm

 

[Anthony5967]

lol if that trade gets it done, to be fair we should also offer Jason Botterill a scouting position so he has a job after he gets fired as gm

I'm still for Kakko+Lundkvist+both firsts in this draft

 

[mrmovies779]

I'm still for Kakko+Lundkvist+both firsts in this draft

Keep adding til it hurts ...

 

[Anthony5967]

Breaking

Keep adding til it hurts ...

Breaking: Rangers acquire C Jack Eichel from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for C, Filip Chytil, RW, Vitali Kravtsov, D, Nils Lundkvist, both 2020 1st round picks (CAR and NYR). If BUF said no, so be it. I'd even add a lottery ticket prospect like Jones or Henriksson.

 

[eco's bones]

Sorry but that's not really a sucker punch. If we're looking at the entirety of the play Jarnkrok starts it off by kind of cracking Haley's head against the glass. The next several seconds is Haley trying to get to Jarnkrok who has some chance in that kind of time to figure out an escape exit or even to turtle.....and to be honest about this because I've been there.....if you think someone has seriously tried to injure you you do get f***ing mad or at least I do.

These Nashville people--Forsberg's hit on Vesey--great hockey hit! or what was wrong with Ellis's head shot on Buchnevich?--are a bunch of homers.

Anyway that one game suspension is all there is in Haley's NHL suspension history. No dirty hits--no outright injuring of opponents. So no he's not a dirty player.

 

[True Blue]

lol if that trade gets it done, to be fair we should also offer Jason Botterill a scouting position so he has a job after he gets fired as gm

Yeah, there is absolutely no way that Buffalo trades him for that type of package.

 

[NYR Viper]

Pie in the sky ideas


To Buffalo
Anthony DeAngelo
Filip Chytil
Lias Andersson
Libor Hajek
CAR/NYR 1st '20 (whichever is lower)

To NYR
Jack Eichel



To MON
Ryan Strome

To NYR:
STL 2nd '20
WSH 3rd '20
WPG 4th '20



To OTT:
Marc Staal @ $4m cap hit (this comes out to be ~$2.94m in actual money for Ottawa)
WSH 3rd '20

To NYR:
Matthew Peca @ $1.3m cap hit ($1.3m in actual salary)

 

[UnSandvich]

Sorry but that's not really a sucker punch. If we're looking at the entirety of the play Jarnkrok starts it off by kind of cracking Haley's head against the glass. The next several seconds is Haley trying to get to Jarnkrok who has some chance in that kind of time to figure out an escape exit or even to turtle.....and to be honest about this because I've been there.....if you think someone has seriously tried to injure you you do get f***ing mad or at least I do.

These Nashville people--Forsberg's hit on Vesey--great hockey hit! or what was wrong with Ellis's head shot on Buchnevich?--are a bunch of homers.

Anyway that one game suspension is all there is in Haley's NHL suspension history. No dirty hits--no outright injuring of opponents. So no he's not a dirty player.

That is absolutely a sucker punch mate. Dirty as hell too, regardless of previous circumstances. I also remember him playing a role in the Islanders-Penguins war a few years back. Regardless, the reason I don't want him on the team isn't that he's dirty. It's that he's not good at hockey, and if he's on the roster, Quinn's gonna have him in the lineup for the sake of "gritz" and "tuffness". And if he's signed to a contract, you can bet your ass he'll not be in HFD.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Pie in the sky ideas


To Buffalo
Anthony DeAngelo
Filip Chytil
Lias Andersson
Libor Hajek
CAR/NYR 1st '20 (whichever is lower)

To NYR
Jack Eichel



To MON
Ryan Strome

To NYR:
STL 2nd '20
WSH 3rd '20
WPG 4th '20



To OTT:
Marc Staal @ $4m cap hit (this comes out to be ~$2.94m in actual money for Ottawa)
WSH 3rd '20

To NYR:
Matthew Peca @ $1.3m cap hit ($1.3m in actual salary)

Would cost more to get Eichel in my opinion

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Would cost more to get Eichel in my opinion

Eichel isn't McDavid

 

[mrmovies779]

Eichel isn't McDavid

Hes still a franchise center with plenty of term left,not even in his prime.Those players dont come often or cheap

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Hes still a franchise center with plenty of term left,not even in his prime.Those players dont come often or cheap

Yeah, but they're not going to get that much more than what was suggested here already.

 

[eco's bones]

That is absolutely a sucker punch mate. Dirty as hell too, regardless of previous circumstances. I also remember him playing a role in the Islanders-Penguins war a few years back. Regardless, the reason I don't want him on the team isn't that he's dirty. It's that he's not good at hockey, and if he's on the roster, Quinn's gonna have him in the lineup for the sake of "gritz" and "tuffness". And if he's signed to a contract, you can bet your ass he'll not be in HFD.

That's not a sucker punch IMO. Jarnkrok knew something was coming and he was kind of trying to run away from it and Jarnkrok wasn't all that innocent there---that's a drive by kind of hit and he did it to the wrong guy and Jarnkrok had time to defend himself in some way. You don't know the effect of the hit on Haley either. Dazed momentarily?--instant headache from getting his head rammed into the glass? Fat lip or broken tooth off the dasher? He got up madder than a hornet. You hit a hornet's nest with a stick expect to be stung and it's not the hornet's fault.

 

[True Blue]

Pie in the sky ideas


To Buffalo
Anthony DeAngelo
Filip Chytil
Lias Andersson
Libor Hajek
CAR/NYR 1st '20 (whichever is lower)

To NYR
Jack Eichel



To MON
Ryan Strome

To NYR:
STL 2nd '20
WSH 3rd '20
WPG 4th '20



To OTT:
Marc Staal @ $4m cap hit (this comes out to be ~$2.94m in actual money for Ottawa)
WSH 3rd '20

To NYR:
Matthew Peca @ $1.3m cap hit ($1.3m in actual salary)

Don't see the first happening as they just cannot afford the cap hit under that scenario. Don't see the second happening for reasons I have stated already as I do not think that Gorton is trading production for nothing but futures.