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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII Time for Curtis Lazar?

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Blue Blooded said:
Getting no PP time will kill any defenceman's point totals. He also spent most of the year with Cernak who isn't particularly good, his stats with Sergachev and Shatty were MUCH better.
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He was never a real top line pp guy anyway. We traded McDonagh at the right time, the trade has been underwhelming so far but maybe we don't have that cap space to sign Panarin and Trouba this year if we kept and resigned him and Miller so maybe between the cap savings and what we got with it, Lindqvist, Hajek and Howden it isn't as bad as it once seemed. Btw I'm not as down on Howden as most are, I believe he needs some muscle to play his style, same goes for Hajek, the way this season played out I'm not sure the offseason will address that much.
 
KreiderBomb said:
He was never a real top line pp guy anyway. We traded McDonagh at the right time, the trade has been underwhelming so far but maybe we don't have that cap space to sign Panarin and Trouba this year if we kept and resigned him and Miller so maybe between the cap savings and what we got with it, Lindqvist, Hajek and Howden it isn't as bad as it once seemed. Btw I'm not as down on Howden as most are, I believe he needs some muscle to play his style, same goes for Hajek, the way this season played out I'm not sure the offseason will address that much.
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I think Howden will be fine. He just turned 22. He needs to find consistency to which he will. Hajek is the one who concerns me just his durability. His skating and size is great. He has a lot of pressure now because Lindgren has passed him and formed a solid second pair with Fox while he now has K. Miller (who will need time bit is still very young) and Reunnanen joining the org.
 
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What’s the Cap going to look like the next few years? We’re going to have close to 30M tied up between Eichel, Panarin and Trouba. Trading for Eichel all but eliminates the possibility of re-signing Zbad and I’m not sure how I feel about that.

Would we be better off with Zbad + The assets it’ll cost us to acquire Eichel? Or, do we end up replenishing some of those assets by ultimately moving Zbad?
 
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I’d be less concerned about re-signing Zibanejad and more concerned about what it would mean for guys like ADA and Buch. If Gorton wants to keep money open to re-sign Mika he will.

Also, theoretically, every year into Trouba and Panarin’s contracts, they should be smaller % of the cap. That will help when Mika is up.
 
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Kupo said:
What’s the Cap going to look like the next few years? We’re going to have close to 30M tied up between Eichel, Panarin and Trouba. Trading for Eichel all but eliminates the possibility of re-signing Zbad and I’m not sure how I feel about that.

Would we be better off with Zbad + The assets it’ll cost us to acquire Eichel? Or, do we end up replenishing some of those assets by ultimately moving Zbad?
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I don’t know if it does. If you were theoretically moving DeAngelo and Georgiev you’re not giving them a new contract and you definitely don’t need to give Strome 5M if you’re adding Eichel. If Buch is part of the deal and replaced by Kravstov’s ELC that’s even more money, but even if not, one year from now Lundqvist, Staal and Smith’s full contracts fall off the books. I don’t know if we’d be in that dire of a position. Not saying it would be a cake walk, and the whole thing is fantasy indulgent anyway, but we’re probably uniquely positioned right now to actually swing something like this.
 
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I’m not that worried about the cap. We are gonna lose Henrik, Staal and Smith’s money for certain by the end of next season, whether its buyouts, compliance buy outs or the contracts running their course. Cap isn’t gonna move much this next season, if at all, because of the lockdowns, but eventually it will get back on track when we get to the new TV deal. I’m also holding out hope of compliance buyouts for next season if the cap does indeed stay flat.
 
The Rangers could certainly make the money work. Particularly if they sent out a couple roster players in the deal, which I expect would be necessary as I have a hard time seeing Buffalo surrendering their franchise player for a handful of magic beans. DeAngelo would have to go in order to make the money for next season work.

So at that point you have 3 high money players in Eichel, Panarin, and Trouba. Kreider and Zibanejad in that 2nd tier, with Zib needing a group III deal in 2022. Beyond that, it's primarily kids coming off of their ELCs or cheapish journeymen types. Not impossible to keep that going for a few years. Especially if you put the squeeze on 2nd contracts.
 
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What does losing a months worth of revenue do to the cap?

Has the league mentioned it at all?
 
TheBloodyNine said:
I’m not that worried about the cap. We are gonna lose Henrik, Staal and Smith’s money for certain by the end of next season, whether its buyouts, compliance buy outs or the contracts running their course. Cap isn’t gonna move much this next season, if at all, because of the lockdowns, but eventually it will get back on track when we get to the new TV deal. I’m also holding out hope of compliance buyouts for next season if the cap does indeed stay flat.
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With those contracts expiring after next year, I just don't see creating dead cap space beyond next year buying them out.
 
They can do a roll-back on salaries if it comes to an extreme loss. We are talking in the range of 15-20% in HRR. I don't see a compliance buyout or two being what gets it done. Players and the league will need to adjust how they manage escrow as well. Long story short, this can lead to another lockout.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Yes but I was responding to someone who wasn't sure which team other than the Rangers could be a destination for Eichel
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WPG would be a really good hockey fit if he were open to the destination. DAL doesn't have the pieces, but he would flourish there.

Any team with an existing number one center, a good prospect pool, and two top 6 assets under 25 with their 1st rounders intact would work well.
 
If Foppa doesnt develope into a HOF'er, that's a TERRIBLE trade for Quebec.

The fact that they got lucky on that front made the trade favor the Nordiques. other wise it's a bunch of 3rd liners and 2nd pair defenders.

Is that really all it would take to get Jack to NY?
 
Mikos87 said:
They can do a roll-back on salaries if it comes to an extreme loss. We are talking in the range of 15-20% in HRR. I don't see a compliance buyout or two being what gets it done. Players and the league will need to adjust how they manage escrow as well. Long story short, this can lead to another lockout.
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I've felt all along that another lockout was inevitable no matter what the circumstances.
 
zephyr said:
I agree...league will recoup a fair amount of money from players due to escrow.
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Well that’s just an extreme misunderstanding or misstatement of how this all works.

It also isn’t an agreement with what I said. I could’ve sworn Bettman or Daly made a statement on this.

Edit: I tracked down what I was thinking of. A report that the cap would remain flat was told to the players on a conference call. But an NHLPA spokesman refuted that. So it’s unclear.
 
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pld459666 said:
If Foppa doesnt develope into a HOF'er, that's a TERRIBLE trade for Quebec.

The fact that they got lucky on that front made the trade favor the Nordiques. other wise it's a bunch of 3rd liners and 2nd pair defenders.

Is that really all it would take to get Jack to NY?
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Duchesne was a first pair defenseman. Hell he was a 3 time all star. He probably had more than ADA value at the point of his trade.
 
KreiderBomb said:
He was never a real top line pp guy anyway. We traded McDonagh at the right time, the trade has been underwhelming so far but maybe we don't have that cap space to sign Panarin and Trouba this year if we kept and resigned him and Miller so maybe between the cap savings and what we got with it, Lindqvist, Hajek and Howden it isn't as bad as it once seemed. Btw I'm not as down on Howden as most are, I believe he needs some muscle to play his style, same goes for Hajek, the way this season played out I'm not sure the offseason will address that much.
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I know there were several dominoes that fell in the interim, but with the roster as constructed right now, is there anyone here who wouldn't prefer McDonagh over Trouba? It would solve basically every problem on the D.
 
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