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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

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I think they showed their hand at the trade deadline with Strome. He's certainly not untouchable but that doesn't mean he isn't a piece of the immediate future. This team plans to make the playoffs and have an impact next season. You hit the lotto once on Strome. Don't spend the winnings on another lotto ticket.
 
Ola said:
On this point I really have to disagree.

It’s by having players like Strome that “only” produces that you get into big problem when they stop producing. These guys can become so problematic. Look at Kyle Turris.

Trouba and Panarin makes 20m. The cap will not go up in a few years at least.

60m left for 18 players. That is just 3.3m per player. 3 forwards, a 6th D and a backup goalie for 7.5m. 13 players for 52.5. 12 players for 46m after Kreider.

That basically gives us 3.8m on average for 4 players on the top 2 lines, 3/4 top 4 Ds, the 3rd line and a No 5 D.

We will lose many good players that we want to keep due to cap issues. I think Strome is too risky in that perspective. JMHO.
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So what are you disagreeing with? My post was essentially saying signing Strome is risky and that’s why I think so.
 
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True Blue said:
You are right. He is a 30 point player. Except that he hit 50 his first year. Except that he was on pace for 43 while mostly playing support roles with the Rangers.

The argument that Strome had exactly ZERO to do with Panarin being on pace to shatter his own records is utterly asinine. NO ONE is saying he is the biggest reason, but to deny it just because you believe that throwing anyone with Panarin would have produced the same results is ridiculous.

If he is ""nothing" more than a 40-45 point player, then yes, he is a second line player.
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I do not believe Strome had anything at all to do with Panarin’s season.

I am not even convinced Strome is a 40 point player without Panarin. You’re arguing he’s a 40 point player based on a period of time where 1 in every 4 shots he was taking went in the net. Either you think he’s the greatest sniper in the league and a 40 point player, or you admit that you are extrapolating a sh% bender out over a full season to make him look like a 40 point player.
 
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With the shrewdness that Gorton operates under (minus Kreider's contract, which he caved on), I expect Strome to get a 1 year deal.

However, what they do with him after I'm not sure. If the team is actually contending for a playoff spot next year, you can't trade him at the deadline. So he may walk for nothing
 
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D713B said:
I think they showed their hand at the trade deadline with Strome. He's certainly not untouchable but that doesn't mean he isn't a piece of the immediate future. This team plans to make the playoffs and have an impact next season. You hit the lotto once on Strome. Don't spend the winnings on another lotto ticket.
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I think we should keep Strome when going into his contract year and take it from there. Would be surprised if Gorton did not take that route, should be a fairly simple option.

Like you say, we want to be better next year than this year. Why should we be that? Skjei is gone, if Strome goes.

I don’t really think Strome blocks any of the kids we have right now. Don’t think Chytil and Panarin are a match made in heaven. Keep him around, could be as an own rental, could be dealt at the deadline.
 
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zephyr said:
So is Staal, but I don't see anyone upset management isn't giving him a new deal.
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lol, yeah we’re still working off the old overpriced deal.

Strome needs to shoot more IMO. Yeah, he dishes the puck to Panarin yet his play doesn’t remind anybody of even a lightweight Adam Oates so i’m not convinced long term on him.
 
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1. Cap space will be worth its weight in gold with a cap that in all liklihood will remain flat for 2-3 years.

One thing to also watch for is cash strapped owners. I don’t have a good track of the back ground of these guys. But there are many mega rich guys out there that would take 20m right now if they could. Will more teams set an internal budget next year? Or at least not add up to the cap.

2. Keep Hank. Do nothing. No trips to Sweden to suck up for him. Shesty, Geo and Hank gets to battle it out in Camp. He gets his 1m salary bonus. 3m left and what, 50% could go in escrow. It’s his choice if it’s worth to open the door for 1.5m. What could he make in the SHL? He saves money on his NYC apartment. Probably a net gain removing his NYC living expenses. His daughter is the starting school age. If they wanna move back they should do it next year.

No buy-out. The extra cap space we save on forcing Hank out is just too value.

3. Give Strome a 1 year deal, 4.25m or whatever. Trade him or let him walk after next season.

4. Give TDA a 6 year deal, say 5.95m per. The price will have gone down a bit. Maybe it’s possible? 6.5m per, what is the difference.

5. Let Fast walk unless you can keep him at around 1-1.5m per.

6. I would probably keep Smith around, for back-up but also since he might be possible to move with 50% retention. Or I think that is wishful thinking, but maybe. Depends on what opportunities Gorts gets during the summer.

-> Ultimately this puts Gorton in a really good situation with the cap. We have plenty of young assets to move. Buch, Kravy, Lindgren, Hajak, Lias, picks and what not. Picks we make this summer. A team with flexibility under the cap will be able to make good use of it the coming years. We would have flexibility both this summer and next summer.
 
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D713B said:
Yet you're comfortable potentially over paying for a UFA who may or may not play well here. Sounds like the same argument for Strome. He may or may not end up over payed. Except you know he fits in here.

That's the Rangers MO from years ago. I'll take the known quantity and gamble on our own guy that our staff and teammates are familiar with.
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No I'm not. Where did I say, "I dont want to overpay Strome, lets go find a UFA to overpay instead"?
 
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Avery16 said:
Why are the only two choices extending Strome on a multiyear or finding someone on an ELC to do it? Why not sign or trade for a middle-six C with two years remaining and let them battle it out with Chytil? A lot less risky than committing four or five years to a question mark like Strome.
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Avery16 said:
Where do I say we should overpay anyone
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I'm not having a conversation in which I spend half the time retrieving your posts and mine. Go back one page where I address this....

There's equal chance you overpay for said UFA as you can potentially overpay for Strome. The only difference is one is a known quantity and one isn't.

I get it. You don't want Strome.
 
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D713B said:
I'm not having a conversation in which I spend half the time retrieving your posts and mine. Go back one page where I address this....

There's equal chance you overpay for said UFA as you can potentially overpay for Strome. The only difference is one is a known quantity and one isn't.

I get it. You don't want Strome.
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The thing is: There's no guarantee a different center will have the same impact on Panarin as Strome did. I wouldn't mind someone like Granlund is we decide to move on from Strome though
 
D713B said:
I'm not having a conversation in which I spend half the time retrieving your posts and mine. Go back one page where I address this....

There's equal chance you overpay for said UFA as you can potentially overpay for Strome. The only difference is one is a known quantity and one isn't.

I get it. You don't want Strome.
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You can of course choose to go into the market for a FA or trade with a cap hit as an objective without committing and defer a decision on Strome until you have more flexibility. I think that’s how it usually goes and I expect the same here. I don’t think that in moving Strome you have committed to overpaying for someone else. I have said a number of times that Strome at 5.25 for two seasons is good for us, so I don’t know where you get that I don’t want Strome.
 
Ola said:
1. Cap space will be worth its weight in gold with a cap that in all liklihood will remain flat for 2-3 years.

One thing to also watch for is cash strapped owners. I don’t have a good track of the back ground of these guys. But there are many mega rich guys out there that would take 20m right now if they could. Will more teams set an internal budget next year? Or at least not add up to the cap.

2. Keep Hank. Do nothing. No trips to Sweden to suck up for him. Shesty, Geo and Hank gets to battle it out in Camp. He gets his 1m salary bonus. 3m left and what, 50% could go in escrow. It’s his choice if it’s worth to open the door for 1.5m. What could he make in the SHL? He saves money on his NYC apartment. Probably a net gain removing his NYC living expenses. His daughter is the starting school age. If they wanna move back they should do it next year.
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depends if the NHL awards an amnesty buyout IMO. Yeah, maybe keep Hank and buyout Staal. It’s one or the other. A real blessing would be two amnesty buyouts due to the work stoppage and buy them both out.
 
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You can of course choose to go into the market for a FA or trade with a cap hit as an objective without committing and defer a decision on Strome until you have more flexibility. I think that’s how it usually goes and I expect the same here. I don’t think that in moving Strome you have committed to overpaying for someone else. I have said a number of times that Strome at 5.25 for two seasons is good for us, so I don’t know where you get that I don’t want Strome.
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Largely the string of posts about alternative hypotheticals. Where we end up with a comparable player with two years left on his contract at a more manageable cap hit somehow. I think every team in the NHL could use one of those. Maybe even three of them. Or sign a UFA which historically works out poorly for this franchise and you'll almost assuredly overpay in term and/or money

All in the hopes of eclipsing Strome's production with your best player. Or hoping Chytil steps up. Which despite his potential is far from something to count on for a team with playoff expectations.
 
NYSPORTS said:
depends if the NHL awards an amnesty buyout IMO. Yeah, maybe keep Hank and buyout Staal. It’s one or the other. A real blessing would be two amnesty buyouts due to the work stoppage and buy them both out.
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Compliance buy out: Lundqvist
Regular buy out: Staal

If you get a compliance buy out and not use it on Lundqvist, you're shooting yourself in the foot.
 
bobbop said:
Here's the upside argument. Loom at how long it took Mika to truly break out. Strome was drafted one pick earlier.

And I'll add something to the point about him being well liked. I had the chance to have a very long conversation with him at the NHL store and he couldn't have been nicer, more insightful or intelligent. I didn't impress easily. He was very impressive. If I was a scout interviewing him I would have given him very high marks
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well that settles it then. Why don’t we just try and build a team of nice guys?
 
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