well no one is saying that strome would be good as the 2C...but he can handle it if the kids are in over their heads. to me that is nothing about being good next year and about protecting the development of chytil/howden/anderson if it comes to that
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well no one is saying that strome would be good as the 2C...but he can handle it if the kids are in over their heads. to me that is nothing about being good next year and about protecting the development of chytil/howden/anderson if it comes to that
That being said, all of Kreider, Vesey, Names, Fast, Strome probably available at the moment. If the right offer is made, all should go.
No way all should go this offseason...throwing rookies and AHLers willy nilly into the lineup because you wanted the clear the deck of all NHL vets is a terrible way to develop a team
You aren’t considering the returns in all those deals. Plus solid 4th line F Smith. Lettieri, Nieves, Beleskey, could extend Brickley. That’s 12 F, and that’s only if you get sufficient offers for all five of those at the same time. Not exactly likely.
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Barnaby
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Kreider could potentially bring back a great package so that could make sense.
However trading every vet on the club just to score 2-3 mid round picks is lunacy at this point. They'd be just as valuable at the deadline in all likelihood, probably moreso.
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Still think that is an absolute 0% chance of happening. (ok maybe a small chance).Kreider will get a lot at the UFA market and he would want to see what gets offered.
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But trading Kreider does not "trade every vet on the club".
We have players, like Buch, who are turning into the vets on the club(like it or not, time to step up). Losing Krieder is not going to hurt the young players. A leader will emerge from the youngins. Would still love to bring back Cally on a good trade for us to show the kids what work ethic means.
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I didn't say that in the context of that conversation. I said trading Kreider does make sense. I advocate for it in fact.
That was in response to trade Kreider, Names, Strome, Vesey... get rid of Smith, Staal.
... if I'm taking on Callahan I want TB's 1... and I'll return their 2.
When Staal, Smith, and Shatty are gone, guys like Skjei will be 27 going on 28 and Chytil will be entering his 4th full year.
We have vets. We’ll survive without Kreider’s leadership. The assets we gain from moving him can be a hell of a lot more beneficial in the long run.
There are very few arguments someone can make why he should be brought back. I like CK but I like his trade value more than his value on this team.
This team needs young, game breaking talent with elite potential. But we also need bodies that’ll fill out our roster.
I’d rather have Names/Fast/Strome than a couple of 3rd round picks or prospects with a limited ceilings. Keep those guys till the deadline at least, unless some moron is willing to overpay.
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Kreider, Lundkvist, Chytil, Pionk + pick(s) for Seth Jones.. Throw in Vesey.. Seems like a Torts guy
Would that be enough? I know he wont be traded, just curious to his value... but you never know.. CBJ might need to 'reload' if they lose Duchene and Panarin.
Would that be enough? I know he wont be traded, just curious to his value... but you never know.. CBJ might need to 'reload' if they lose Duchene and Panarin.
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So if you knew you could get a higher offer right now for Names than you would at TDL, you’d hold on to him and get less? Why?
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A 2nd in 2019 and a 1st in 2020 would be a solid return for Zuccarello if the Stars and Zuccarello's agents at Newport Sports can reach a deal. He is a prefect fit for the Stars who love Zuccarello. The Stars need one more top 4 D and another forward who can play in their top 6/7 forwards in addition to keeping Zuccarello. Heiskanen, Klingberg and Lindell is a solid top 3 D. They need one more D. Seguin. Benn. Radulov. Zuccarello and Hintz is very good. They need an upgrade over Dickinson.
The Rangers have #2, #19/20, #49 and #58.
Gorton was looking forward to possibly have 3 or 4 first round picks. The conditions weren't met on those two first round picks. TB choked as usual. Dallas lost in double OT of game 7.
That makes Kreider more susceptible to a trade for another #1 pick in this draft.
TB needs to move the Callahan $5.8M cap hit. The cap for next season might not be as high as projected during the winter. If the cap is $82M-$83M instead of $85M, TB is in a bigger bind. Buying Callahan out still sees TB with a $2,666,667 cap hit and will need to remove the entire $5.8M from their books. #58 to TB for Callahan's contract and #27. The Rangers will have to move money around to make r0om to take on the contract but they get another #1.
A low cap is a big win for us. They are talking about lower attendances in some bigger markets and also a low CDN.
A Cap coming in at say 82m would really pressure the high flying teams like Toronto and Winnipeg, but also plenty of others like Calgary and Co. Would be awesome for us.
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I hope Gorton actually capitalizes on our flexible cap space this year. Maybe nothing was available that made sense, but it's a little frustrating to me that we didn't make any use of our situation over the past year.
We have probably 1-2 more years where we can take on guys like Cally and actually have them be an added benefit to bringing up the youngsters.
For example, if we can swing a trade for Callahan with TB paying their first. Or someone else similar to Cally and we get a 2nd or maybe middling prospect. Cally can replace Names or Vesey who we can move for another 2nd hopefully. Thus, our cap flexibility actually turns into 2 seconds or some combination of prospects/picks.
We have probably 1-2 more years where we can take on guys like Cally and actually have them be an added benefit to bringing up the youngsters.
For example, if we can swing a trade for Callahan with TB paying their first. Or someone else similar to Cally and we get a 2nd or maybe middling prospect. Cally can replace Names or Vesey who we can move for another 2nd hopefully. Thus, our cap flexibility actually turns into 2 seconds or some combination of prospects/picks.
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I think the reason Strome wouldn’t be traded is because he is a RFA not a UFA at the end of his deal.
Jaromir Jagr
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I really like Strome. Even when he's not scoring, he's a solid bottom 6 player. He does the little things. You need guys like him to win. He's young and under team control for a few more years.
I'm not a fan of Vesey. His goals are fine, but he always slumps in the second half and is basically useless when he's not scoring. Names is sort of in between. I really liked what I saw from him under Quinn. He became a much better all-around player.
I don't mind trading those latter two. I would love to get rid of Vesey. I just can't stand him. But unless an offer blows us out of the water, I think Strome is a nice piece and one that could be part of the solution moving forward.
The only concerns I have is what they'll want on their next contracts. Names and Strome were a bit overpaid in my opinion on their second contracts. They shouldn't get any more than what they previously did on their third. I am not interested in paying either 5 mil plus.
I'm not a fan of Vesey. His goals are fine, but he always slumps in the second half and is basically useless when he's not scoring. Names is sort of in between. I really liked what I saw from him under Quinn. He became a much better all-around player.
I don't mind trading those latter two. I would love to get rid of Vesey. I just can't stand him. But unless an offer blows us out of the water, I think Strome is a nice piece and one that could be part of the solution moving forward.
The only concerns I have is what they'll want on their next contracts. Names and Strome were a bit overpaid in my opinion on their second contracts. They shouldn't get any more than what they previously did on their third. I am not interested in paying either 5 mil plus.
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