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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

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duhmetreE said:
I love all these posters who **know** that Panarin will become a potato at 30, midway through his contract.

'What-ifs' only acceptable if they fit your narrative?
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No, if they are in the age grouping of our top talent: Kakko, Chytil, K'Andre and Kravtsov, all of them still teenagers. I'd rather draft a quality 2002-born forward in the top 5 in 2020 and have him cost controlled until around 2030 than pay a crazy UFA salary to a 1994-born guy who will be either very old or retired when our core is in its prime.
 
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Avery16 said:
Mostly agree with this, and I think Kreider should be available for a windfall return. But signing Kreider does not come anywhere close to the cap room and term it will take to lock up Panarin. We could probably extend Kreider in a way that leaves him a somewhat tradeable asset that doesn’t wreck our cap until after 2025. Can’t say the same for Panarin.
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Yeah Kreider would be a lot easier to stomach salary wise than Panarin. But say Kreider is gonna get 7M and Panarin gets 10.5M, I'd rather have the better player in Panarin assuming that they'd both get some form of NTC and be hard to trade either way. The nightmare scenario is we sign both and enter back into cap hell and just throw the whole rebuild away.
 
Squarp said:
Yeah Kreider would be a lot easier to stomach salary wise than Panarin. But say Kreider is gonna get 7M and Panarin gets 10.5M, I'd rather have the better player in Panarin assuming that they'd both get some form of NTC and be hard to trade either way. The nightmare scenario is we sign both and enter back into cap hell and just throw the whole rebuild away.
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For me, term is the bigger issue. I think Kreider could sign for 4. No way Panarin signs for fewer than 6.
 
NYR Viper said:
I’d be less concerned signing Panarin IF Gorton found a way to offload Smith and Shattenkirk and at the very least re-allocated their cap space to shorter team forwards.
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The cap space isn't the issue with Panarin. It may take some maneuvering, but they can make it work in the short term unless he wants crazy money. Long term its a non issue unless some of our young kids are beyond amazing, which would be great and is a bridge we can cross when we get to it.

But the timing of said deal (Will he still be as productive at 31,32,33?) and him getting in the way of adding other pieces we desperately need are things that need to be considered.

For me, if you can land a top center out of this draft and get a top 4 RHD, then fine, go ahead and take your shot.

If not, keep that bullet chambered. Most of the teams who are still remaining have been built mostly though the draft or a combo of the draft and smart trades. The latter of which will be available this summer and next.
 
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Beacon said:
No, if they are in the age grouping of our top talent: Kakko, Chytil, K'Andre and Kravtsov, all of them still teenagers. I'd rather draft a quality 2002-born forward in the top 5 in 2020 and have him cost controlled until around 2030 than pay a crazy UFA salary to a 1994-born guy who will be either very old or retired when our core is in its prime.
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He's just being dramatic. Obviously no one knows Panarin will decline after 30, but history isn't on his side. Most players show a clear decline once they hit 30. I mean, we should know considering we've watched it happen right around that age for a number of our players in recent years.

The guy is obviously not a good gambler, because he has no understanding of odds/likelihood, etc.
 
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eco's bones said:
I expect very much that the Devils are going to take Hughes---so the idea of a goon for a goon's sake wouldn't make sense to me. I do wonder whether Hughes is going to get run over now and again. I'm not really concerned about Kakko. I like McQuaid though and he is not someone to mess with. He is injury prone but as far as fighting goes he's top 5 in the league without question--he's also not bad defensively--pretty good on the pk and he hits hard and on a one year deal I think we could flip him again at the end of next season (if needed) for a mid round draft pick.

As far as Smith--he did alright as a forward but he kind of lost his defense position and he's making a lot of money for the limited role he's in. Got to move him if we can.
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I've been thinking about a physical, capable RD for this team for a few days. Is there 23-26 year old player with a McQuaid style skillset and possibly a little bit of better skating in the league today? I couldn't really come up with one, but that is who the Rangers will need in the next few years. Also, that hypothetical individual should get a great contract - he is virtually a hockey unicorn in the current NHL
 
Here's a question- any idea on the never-Ranger that has taken up the most thread space here in the modern era?

Top candidates, to me:

Stamkos
Tavarez
Panarin
Kovalchuk

Who am I missing
 
Can we stay the course that worked so well so far?

This summer: Trade Kreider for a young player with limited upside (a la Lemieux), a first rounder in the 20s this year, get a 2020 second if the new team makes the Conference Final and get the 2021 second rounder if the new team re-signs him. If we retain on Kreider or take a one-year bad contract, we also get a B prospect.

That would bring us to hopefully 4 firsts this year, which would really load up the farm considering what we already have.

2019-20 season: Trade Names, Vesey, Fast for second round picks around the next trading deadline. By then, more youth will be ready.

2020-21: Trade Shatty, Smith and Staal for second or third round picks at the 2021 TDL when their cap hit is no longer an issue. Top teams will want veteran D for the playoffs.

2021-22: Profit.
 
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Leetch3 said:
What’s changed is that Hajek and lindgren are a year older and did well enough in their brief stints to full pretty confident that they are ready to contend for spots next year
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Great - so we re-sign Claesson. Skjei, Staal, Hajek, Lindgren, and Fredy battle it out. If Claesson is the odd man out we have another chip we can trade.

Healthy competition is a good thing.
 
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Beacon said:
Can we stay the course that worked so well so far?

This summer: Trade Kreider for a young player with limited upside (a la Lemieux), a first rounder in the 20s this year and we get the 2021 second rounder if the new team either re-signs him next summer or makes the Conference Final next season. If we retain on Kreider or take a one-year bad contract, we also get a B prospect.

That would bring us to hopefully 4 firsts this year, which would really load up the farm considering what we already have.

2019-20 season: Trade Names, Vesey, Fast for second round picks around the next trading deadline. By then, more youth will be ready.

2020-21: Trade Shatty, Smith and Staal for second or third round picks at the 2021 TDL when their cap hit is no longer an issue. Top teams will want veteran D for the playoffs.

2021-22: Profit.
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I'd add Skjei to the 'available for the right price' list this summer or next TDL, and Strome to the next TDL list. But otherwise, yes.
 
We are potentially, but realistically looking at 4-5 first rounders in the next 14 months, including 2OA (maybe even another one next year) and whatever we get for Kreider, Names, Vesey and Fast. We may well be in position right now where most of our top young talent isn't even drafted as of today.

But no doubt, let's rush out and sign a UFA. Because the time to start paying vets through the nose is before most of your youth was even drafted.
 
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Kupo said:
Stop being so obtuse. Everyone wants him.

But that doesn’t mean signing him to the largest contact in the history of our franchise is the right investment when you consider where this franchise is at right now.

You’ve said everything you can about why we should sign Panarin 157 times in the last 2 months. The same old repetitive bull****.

You’re not going to change anyone’s opinion at this moment.

You’re either part of the:

Accelerated rebuild crowd who thinks we’re ready to start splurging just 15 months after we announced our rebuild.

Or...

The crowd who doesn’t want to make long-term, permanent commitments until they know what they have and what they don’t have.

You should avoid any Panarin talk until the season starts. Just avoid it like the plague.
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Haha this made me laugh, I liked the way you said that.

I don’t think gorton’s gonna write the guy (panarin) a blank check. I don’t he ends up here if it’s gonna come to that.

But... This malkin situation has been on the backburner forever. If they didn’t win that 1st of back to back cups, I think he might have moved earlier. I could totally see it happening. to the panthers. It links up pretty well. Teams made a trade this season. Malkin added in that lineup along with BOB, and what they already have..... Pittsburgh needs to reshuffle the deck again, and could probably get 3 impact players back in said trade. Malkin is their best move to create max flexibility while bringing in the goods in return as well as creating the financial flexibility

BOB’s almost a lock in most people’s minds. But if there were to go for malkin, it would take them out of the running for the breadman
 
Would Simmonds cost $4m? I wouldn't hate it if it was just for a year or two. From his perspective, if he thinks he still has it and last year was a blip, take a show-me deal, right?
 
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Avery16 said:
I'd add Skjei to the 'available for the right price' list this summer or next TDL, and Strome to the next TDL list. But otherwise, yes.
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I'd like to see how K'Andre, Hajek, Rykov and Lindgren develop over the next couple of years before shipping off Skjei. But potentially we can use Skjei to acquire help elsewhere or to package him with someone else to acquire a 1LD if Miller, et al don't get there.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
He did in the article announcing the Fox trade...
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I year to late.

Like 13-14 months ago I would like to see phrases thrown around with words like ‘Jeff Gorton has only had his position for less than a year, but he is already facing a challenge that forever will tarnish his reputation if he cannot solve it’ and stuff like that DAILY.

‘Shattenkirk-gate’.

‘What Dunkirk was for the British regular army, Shattenkirk is for ...’

And so forth.
 
Beacon said:
I'd like to see how K'Andre, Hajek, Rykov and Lindgren develop over the next couple of years before shipping off Skjei. But potentially we can use Skjei to acquire help elsewhere or to package him with someone else to acquire a 1LD if Miller, et al don't get there.
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It has to be a windfall return, but Staal Will Be Here And Playing Regular Minutes one way or the other for the next two seasons. That, plus Hajek and Lindgren stepping up, we should be ok.
 
The Rangers have made it clear they are not executing a classic tank. What some of you are advocating is exactly that. The burn the furniture strategy is fine on paper only if you can guarantee the success and health of every draft choice. There are way too many examples of teams in the NHL trying it and failing badly.

I would much prefer that the Rangers sign the one premium UFA available this summer. Panarin will make the team exciting and fun to watch. I don’t think he will singlehandidly make the Rangers a playoff team but I’ll gladly take that chance. They can still make some other moves to open up roster spots and collect a few additional assets. And I’ll continue to listen on Kreider.

Just remember the vast number of paying customers don’t post on here. And they want to see the Rangers be successfula sooner rather than later.
 
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