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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

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Harbour Dog said:
So at what point does it become risky to not sign a superstar UFA?

Just because you aren't able to point to the things that you lose, doesn't mean you aren't worse off for not doing something.
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There are a lot of times that the best move to make is nothing. Just because a star is available and is reportedly interested in coming here, does not automatically mean they’re the right fit for us at this time.

Panarin is not looking to leave money on the table, and he will want maximum term, total protections. You have to be wary of these contracts in today’s league. He is not putting us over the top in the next three seasons, and signing a seven year contract with the hope of a payoff in year 4 onwards is bad business, and just very very unlikely.

Not only that, but he does our draft placement no favors for years 1-3, when we also probably aren’t a Cup favorite.

What exactly does Panarin do for us? Does anyone think Panarin wins us a Cup in years 1-3? Then years 4-7 are a total crapshoot.
 
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RGY said:
This team wont be a bottom 5 team next year. I dont see Gorton not putting together a competitive team, however he decides to do it. Then add in DQ. Just dont see this team at the bottom again. Maybe 11-13 from the bottom. But not bottom 5.
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At least on paper, it is significantly worse than last year with the loss of Zuccarello and Hayes. After we traded them, we were second worst in the league.

I highly doubt Kravtsov steps into the top 6 as a teenage rookie. Fox will need to adjust because it is more difficult for defensemen to transition up to the NHL. Possibly Chytil takes a step forward, but does he become as good as Zuccarello when hes only 20?

A lot of unexpectedly good things need to happen with our youth to not get another top 10 pick.
 
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I think that people are looking at the possibility to sign Panarin incorrectly. It’s a free asset that they can pick up, in which, I think will be very good for at least several years. Then if need be trade to recoup assets aka, rinse and repeat what we are already doing. People have to look at this in not just one point of view with the tying up of cap space. I doubt he will become an anchor contract considering he doesn’t have as many miles as a player who was in the NHL from a young age.
 
Bacon said:
At least on paper, it is significantly worse than last year with the loss of Zuccarello and Hayes. After we traded them, we were second worst in the league.

I highly doubt Kravtsov steps into the top 6 as a teenage rookie. Fox will need to adjust because it is more difficult for defensemen to transition up to the NHL. Possibly Chytil takes a step forward, outdoes he become as good as Zuccarello when hes only 20?

A lot of unexpectedly good things need to happen with our youth to not get another top 10 pick.
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Alternatively instead of relying on our youth to take an unexpected step forward we can sign Panarin and Duchene, buyout Smith, trade Namestnikov/Strome to clear cap space, trade Kreider for an upgrade on D (something like Kreider and a pick for Trouba). We won’t be one of the best teams in the league like that but with Panarin Duchene Trouba in addition to a Kakko/Kravtsov we should be in pretty good shape to be a WC team next year and as we’ve seen from this season winning the division doesn’t really matter too much.
 
Kravtsov420 said:
I think that people are looking at the possibility to sign Panarin incorrectly. It’s a free asset that they can pick up, in which, I think will be very good for at least several years. Then if need be trade to recoup assets aka, rinse and repeat what we are already doing. People have to look at this in not just one point of view with the tying up of cap space. I doubt he will become an anchor contract considering he doesn’t have as many miles as a player who was in the NHL from a young age.
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It won’t be a tradeable contract
 
SA16 said:
Alternatively instead of relying on our youth to take an unexpected step forward we can sign Panarin and Duchene, buyout Smith, trade Namestnikov/Strome to clear cap space, trade Kreider for an upgrade on D (something like Kreider and a pick for Trouba). We won’t be one of the best teams in the league like that but with Panarin Duchene Trouba in addition to a Kakko/Kravtsov we should be in pretty good shape to be a WC team next year and as we’ve seen from this season winning the division doesn’t really matter too much.
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It doesn't, but now you've tied up a ton of money for a team that still isn't all that great and still has a horrible defense.

I don't understand the rush for some of you. It's been 15 months.
 
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SA16 said:
Alternatively instead of relying on our youth to take an unexpected step forward we can sign Panarin and Duchene, buyout Smith, trade Namestnikov/Strome to clear cap space, trade Kreider for an upgrade on D (something like Kreider and a pick for Trouba). We won’t be one of the best teams in the league like that but with Panarin Duchene Trouba in addition to a Kakko/Kravtsov we should be in pretty good shape to be a WC team next year and as we’ve seen from this season winning the division doesn’t really matter too much.
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Adding a new core in one offseason doesn’t usually pay off for two to three seasons anyways. All we’d accomplish with that is a lot of cap space taken up for half a decade, a middling finish for two to three years, a bottom third pick for two to three years (at least for all the picks we didn’t trade away for those players) and most importantly No Cup. Just in time to start another rebuild from scratch.
 
RGY said:
Kinda why I would like Smith to stay in the utility role. Also wouldnt mind McQuaid as the 7th. But im sure there are 4th line wing options that will be better than tanner glass
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I expect very much that the Devils are going to take Hughes---so the idea of a goon for a goon's sake wouldn't make sense to me. I do wonder whether Hughes is going to get run over now and again. I'm not really concerned about Kakko. I like McQuaid though and he is not someone to mess with. He is injury prone but as far as fighting goes he's top 5 in the league without question--he's also not bad defensively--pretty good on the pk and he hits hard and on a one year deal I think we could flip him again at the end of next season (if needed) for a mid round draft pick.

As far as Smith--he did alright as a forward but he kind of lost his defense position and he's making a lot of money for the limited role he's in. Got to move him if we can.
 
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I expect very much that the Devils are going to take Hughes---so the idea of a goon for a goon's sake wouldn't make sense to me. I do wonder whether Hughes is going to get run over now and again. I'm not really concerned about Kakko. I like McQuaid though and he is not someone to mess with. He is injury prone but as far as fighting goes he's top 5 in the league without question--he's also not bad defensively--pretty good on the pk and he hits hard and on a one year deal I think we could flip him again at the end of next season (if needed) for a mid round draft pick.

As far as Smith--he did alright as a forward but he kind of lost his defense position and he's making a lot of money for the limited role he's in. Got to move him if we can.
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Hughes has gotten smoked several times this year.

If his habits don't change, hes going to get killed.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
I'm amazed at how many of you continue to pencil in ADA into the top pairing in all your lineup projections. I acknowledge he improved his decision-making on the offensive end and became a consistent threat at even-strength as well as the PP towards the end of the year. And there's no question he's excellent at the breakout from his own zone.

But he still worries the **** out of me whenever he's forced to actually defend for any length of time. Though he definitely plays with an edge, he's simply too slight; I don't see him as ever filling the role of a top-pairing guy on a winning team. Bottom-4 PP specialist, who gets more time when his team is trailing? Absolutely. But not an all-situations 1 or 2D.

Frankly, with the arrival of Fox, I wouldn't be surprised to see him playing elsewhere, sooner or later (especially given what appear to be persistent locker room issues).

As for Pionk, I certainly wouldn't be adverse to trading him either (again, especially in light of the acquisition of Fox), but I think most of you aren't considering the fact that for all his struggles playing out of position as a 1D himself last year, there's a reason the coaching staff chose to force him into that role rather than ADA...
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Long term he is still a question and has to prove he belongs in the top 4 on a good team no less the top pair. But who are you playing there next year? Fox isn’t starting on the top pair as a rookie. Ada is better with less questions then pionk. So the other option is shattenkirk. Ada is the top rhd for next season almost by default
 
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I swear some of you are masochists. We had years of going out and signing the biggest free agent there was; Redden, Gomez, Drury, Richards, etc. And what good did that do us? Nothing. Now that we're finally doing it the right way and have the best set of prospects we've EVER had, you want to just revert back to the old ways because SHINY NEW TOY!!! If we wanna trade Kreider for a first and sign Panarin that'd be fine since they're both gonna be looking for long term deals with high pay. But we'll enter another decade of mediocracy if we're just going out and signing Panarin and Duchene because we can. Be patient, develop our own stars, the payoff will be great.
 
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Thirty One said:
I don't think Toronto has to pay through the nose to get rid of Marleau, unless he's stingy about his NTC (in that case I don't think he'd consider NYR). There's very little actual dollars attached to his contract after his July 1 bonus.
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I said that i wasn’t sure how realistic it would be but I like the idea
 
Thirty One said:
Would you not agree that we saw a pack mentality on the Rangers last season?
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I would say that it was evident the team began to play more that way than in seasons past and once ADA and Lemieux were in the lineup regularly that took a step forward. Guys like that often have a way of dragging others into the fray a bit.
 
Squarp said:
I swear some of you are masochists. We had years of going out and signing the biggest free agent there was; Redden, Gomez, Drury, Richards, etc. And what good did that do us? Nothing. Now that we're finally doing it the right way and have the best set of prospects we've EVER had, you want to just revert back to the old ways because SHINY NEW TOY!!! If we wanna trade Kreider for a first and sign Panarin that'd be fine since they're both gonna be looking for long term deals with high pay. But we'll enter another decade of mediocracy if we're just going out and signing Panarin and Duchene because we can. Be patient, develop our own stars, the payoff will be great.
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Mostly agree with this, and I think Kreider should be available for a windfall return. But signing Kreider does not come anywhere close to the cap room and term it will take to lock up Panarin. We could probably extend Kreider in a way that leaves him a somewhat tradeable asset that doesn’t wreck our cap until after 2025. Can’t say the same for Panarin.
 
Leetch3 said:
Long term he is still a question and has to prove he belongs in the top 4 on a good team no less the top pair. But who are you playing there next year? Fox isn’t starting on the top pair as a rookie. Ada is better with less questions then pionk. So the other option is shattenkirk. Ada is the top rhd for next season almost by default
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Well, for most of the year, Quinn played Pionk there, so I can see that happening again. And if Shatty can come back actually healthy, I can make a good case for playing him there over any of the kids, though I don't think he's a first pair guy, either. But that's all assuming we go with the same personnel as last year – and honestly, I think there is a good chance we may see Trouba (or someone else) added.

Regardless, I wasn't really referring to next year, so much as the future lineup when the rebuild is theoretically complete.
 
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I’d be less concerned signing Panarin IF Gorton found a way to offload Smith and Shattenkirk and at the very least re-allocated their cap space to shorter team forwards.
 
Kupo said:
So what’s changed?
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What’s changed is that Hajek and lindgren are a year older and did well enough in their brief stints to full pretty confident that they are ready to contend for spots next year
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Well, for most of the year, Quinn played Pionk there, so I can see that happening again. And if Shatty can come back actually healthy, I can make a good case for playing him there over any of the kids, though I don't think he's a first pair guy, either. But that's all assuming we go with the same personnel as last year – and honestly, I think there is a good chance we may see Trouba (or someone else) added.

Regardless, I wasn't really referring to next year, so much as the future lineup when the rebuild is theoretically complete.
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Long term I agree
 
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