Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

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Why would you want him to retire early? For capspace during a rebuild?

For the roster spot. We've got Hank, Georgiev and now Shesty. We can probably juggle them all for 1 year by having the kids plays some in the AHL, but there are only so many NHL games. At some point, one of them will have to go.
 
We’re not offer sheeting marner Toronto would match it and it would cause total chaos and bad blood for our management team. On top of the 4 first round picks which no one in the league gets dealt for that steep a price.

Total fantasy land.
 
So 10 mil plus offer

That is really only like a couple of years younger Hedman territory or McDavid territory. And with those guys, why wouldn't any team match any offer that isn't totally ridiculous, if not even that too? Why should EDM have a lower treshold for a 17m offer than we have?

Nah, its not happening. We don't need a RW, but if we weren't getting Kakko, I would still have some interest in someone like Puljujärvi. That is a player you could offer-sheet. You could get him for a 2nd round pick, he don't want to stay in EDM, they can't afford to pay him like 3m per.
 
Why would you want him to retire early? For capspace during a rebuild? It’s one thing to want to trade him for futures, entirely another to wish ill on him just for meaningless cap space.

If Hank announces his retirement after the WCHs, for example, the first thing Gorts would have to do is sign a vet goalie. We aren't entering a season with Geo+Shesty as our top 2 goalies, what if Shesty isn't ready and need to start in the AHL?

One more year for Hank is definitely perfect. Things could change during this season.
 
We’re not offer sheeting marner Toronto would match it and it would cause total chaos and bad blood for our management team. On top of the 4 first round picks which no one in the league gets dealt for that steep a price.

Total fantasy land.

We did deal two firsts plus for a 38 year old.

I just felt like bringing that little Ray of sunshine up this morning.
 
Those are all educated guesses from Friedman, he has no NYR sources.
Not bad guesses, but he always has the Rangers doing "stuff" for interest reasons.

I don't think its so much guesses as what other people in the business are telling him. Its interesting in itself. Another thing, I am not so sure that Gorton wants to shoot down that talk. Is it good or bad for us? Toronto has the same 'they could go crazy'-reputation, not so sure that its bad for them.

Look, there is no way that Gorton will trade top prospects and picks for someone like Trouba, offer-sheet anyone or stuff like that. Why? Its not good for us, without any doubt.

I sometimes think Gorton has some issues. I am not at all comfortable that we have developed especially Lias but also Chytil perfectly. We were in a darn hurry with both. Does anyone think that Kakko will play in rookie camp, the WJSS, at Traverse and in preseason with TPS before our camp starts? No, I think we learned a lesson with Lias, it wasn't good at all for him. I don't think he will go to the WJSS or TPS pre-season. It was a mistake we made because we weren't at all used to handling kids. For a long time, Gorton seemed to plan to have LHS play as RDs, that is just total value destruction and very far from optimal in today's game. And we paid for it with Smith for example. The HFD organization has been a total misery. Our pro-scouting has been a total misery. Our contract management has de facto been a total misery, you would like so many do-overs there. And so forth and so forth and so forth.

But the topic we are discussing here -- that is Gorton's home ground. I don't for a second fear that Gort's will sign a James Neal to a 35m 7 year deal or whatever. That we will trade a boatload of assets for Malkin. Give up 5 firsts for Point. He will make moves that logically will bring the organization in the right direction. Its not the thinking behind in principle dealing Miller for Namestnikov that was flawed, it was the fact that Namestnikov was tremendously overrated and has little to negative value that was the problem.

Artemi Panarin is another issue. First of all, even if we went all in for him, I am not sold that he would sign here. Second of all, if he did I think it can play out in more or less three different scenarios.

1. Panarin comes here and is an excellent fit with our current core and he lifts the kids we have incoming into a territory giving us a very dynamic offensive environment. His low mileage and non physical style lets him play at the top of his game for another 7 years. In this case he was a top signing, no doubt.

2. He comes in and is good for a few years, boosts the stats of our kids hence making them more expensive to resign, and then regress when we need him the most and also take up a very significant part of our cap limiting our options for several years. In this case, he wasn't a horrible signing, but he wouldn't be the best option either.

3. He comes here and delivers like say Gabby did and then turns into a burden not only on our cap but also on the ice, like so many UFAs before. I don't think this actually would happen, but 7 years is a long time, a lot can happen.

So while I think its unlikely that we will sign Panarin, I wouldn't rule it out. And I do think Gorton will explore the situation, how badly does Panarin want to come here? If he sees Florida as an equal opportunity, I don't think we will be in the running at all.

To be honest, I think the talk about wanting to go to one of the biggest markets is total nonsense, I think he just don't like playing for Tortorella but that is just my guess.
 
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We did deal two firsts plus for a 38 year old.

I just felt like bringing that little Ray of sunshine up this morning.

I am not giving Gorts a pass for everything that went on under Slats, in some areas he has kept doing the same things, but this was all Slats. I can't imagine anything else.

Can you imagine a meeting where Slats is really hesitant about making a move for MSL but Gortsy is sitting there screaming at him -You can't be a mouse your entire life Glenny, deal the picks for Christ sake!!!? ;)
 
Agreed, teams are going to have their list/tiers/favorites and they probably like at least someone where they are at, which is why I think an overpay would be required to move up.

Totally, you don't see moved like that anymore. The M.Staal and Couture deals are examples of why teams shy away from trades like that.
 
We’re not offer sheeting marner Toronto would match it and it would cause total chaos and bad blood for our management team. On top of the 4 first round picks which no one in the league gets dealt for that steep a price.

Total fantasy land.
 
We’re not offer sheeting marner Toronto would match it and it would cause total chaos and bad blood for our management team. On top of the 4 first round picks which no one in the league gets dealt for that steep a price.

Total fantasy land.

Agreed not happening

I’d be thinking more about a cap dump

Like Habs got Armia by taking Mason

Take Cally w a pick or prospect
 
I’ve mentioned his name in here before but if Gorton can rid the team of a couple of guys on the back end AND is looking for an inexpensive RD stopgap who plays a heavier style, I’d look hard into Alex Petrovic. He’s had a couple of injury hindered seasons but he’s still young and he’s a guy who isn’t afraid to mix things up. Say as a 5-7 d-man he’d at least bring something they don’t have.

I don't dislike this idea, as a cheap short term reclamation type signing it would not carry a lot of risk, bigger RD who can maybe PK. Would expect him to be the 6th/7th at most.
 
We did deal two firsts plus for a 38 year old.

I just felt like bringing that little Ray of sunshine up this morning.

That’s not 4 firsts and that second one was conditional on getting to a Stanley Cup Final

That’s not close.
 
I dont get the hysteria with Marner. He's a great player but would cost us way too much in assets and is a winger.
 
They want games to start to matter. Doesnt sound like a team that is just going to sell off Kreider and not add any outside quality. Sounds like they will try to re-sign Kreider and/or bring in outside help to play with the bucket load of young prospects they have.

I'd be totally fine rolling with:

Forwards: Zibanejad, Kreider, Buch, Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Anderson, Howden, Lemieux, Strome, Nieves, Fast, Vesey/Names/Brickley

Defense: Skjei, Shattenkirk, Fox, Staal, Hajek, DeAngelo and Lindgren/Rykov/Smith/Pionk

Ideally they'd move either Names or Vesey as those two plus Strome and Fast are all kinda redundant at this point and you don't need all four. That's a pretty crazy overhaul of the roster in just a few years. Add to that all their picks and I'd say Gorton has done a pretty remarkable job. They would be a young, fun team to watch with tons of upside. No offer sheet, no Panarin or EK. Let the chips fall where they may and reevaluate at the trade deadline.
 
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If Gorton avoids long-terms UFA's (I hope he does), it may be quite difficult to reach the cap floor for 2021/2022 and maybe even for 2022/2023 (Contracts of Lundqvist, Staal, Smith and Shatty will expire in 2021). Probably we won't be able to sign a lot of short-term UFA's/get a lot of short-term vets via trades, because we will need many slots for our youth. That's why I think buyouts of Smith and Staal this summer would be reasonable moves. We would get an additional dead cap hit (approximately 2 350 000$, including Girardi's contract it would be about 3 450 000$) for both seasons. Moreover we would have more slots for our young LD's and 4liners (If any of our young LD's is not ready for 2nd pairing next year we could play with e.g. Cleasson and expose him for Seattle in 2021.). We could consider buyout of Shatty as well but in his case there is a chance he will bounce back next season and he will have a signifcant market value next year. What do you think?
 
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Elliotte loves to speculate. In the latest 31 Thoughts podcast with Marek at the very end, Elliotte said the salary cap for next season will not be as high as thought and the Rangers would be in position to take on money from other teams. He made that statement answering a Rangers #ask31 twitter question.

He always mentions the Rangers with every big name high priced player.
He mentioned Subban, Karlsson, Kessel, Letang without linking them to the Rangers. The issue is you want him to link zero players to the Rangers, so mentioning any seems like at attack on your fantasy plan of icing a skeleton roster of sub-25 players.
 
He mentioned Subban, Karlsson, Kessel, Letang without linking them to the Rangers. The issue is you want him to link zero players to the Rangers, so mentioning any seems like at attack on your fantasy plan of icing a skeleton roster of sub-25 players.

While RB can be extreme at times, there's a difference between not bringing in aging, expensive vets and icing a skeleton roster of sub-25 players.

Friedman is also a pretty big hack and I don't take anything he says seriously. He's on par with Eklund these days.
 
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Every online media writer is going to try to drum up clicks/reads. How much faith one puts into their insider information is up to the reader.

I just don't think anyone outside of the Rangers top management knows what they are going to do. Maybe they even are still deciding. It kind of seems like they plan, have an outline, yet they also have to wait for certain events to unfold before they adjust or do not.
 
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