Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

[RGY]

Or we can play both and just kick Staal and Smith to the curb

Dude, Smith is our 13th forward

 

[offdacrossbar]

And this is part of the reason I believe pursuing Panarin is he wrong move at the wrong time for this team. Even though the there many good pieces on the backend, that area is where the most patience is needed. If the Dman equivalent of Panarin was hitting the market - that is, relatively healthy with low mileage who can be the lynchpin on defense, and not only take the pressure off the young developing defense, but help to lift the play, I would be on board for such a player. (IMO, Karlsson isn’t that player due to age and injuries.). To me, Panarin is a luxury.

correct.

but this defense is weak. we have no 1st pair guy. you can't win that way and if you cant win unless you outscore you opponent every night in a track meet, why add panarin ?

adding panarin now is a lateral move at best as long as the defense has 18, 42, 44 and 22 playing significant minutes.

add a guy like jake trouba and it checks more boxes than would panarin and i like panarin a lot.

just not right now.

fix the defense next.

 

[Off Sides]

Lucky for us we can offer any of these teams another pick in the first round that would be right in the middle.

Which is what I think would have to be added to Kreider to get a early tens pick.

And even then his no trade may effect that, and if there are other teams looking to also move up it may cost even more.

I still like the idea, I just think the reactions to what it actually costs should it happen are going to be... interesting.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers need their own Miro Heiskanen. That player will come in the 1st round of the draft or in a trade. Sort of like the Rangers acquiring Ryan McDonagh from Montreal ten years ago. Heikanen wasn't projected to go in the top 10 in the midseason rankings in 2017. He had a great finish to his season and selected 3rd overall. The Rangers get a player like that and they are on their way. They need someone to grow with the rest of their young players.

Bob had Heiskanen 13th in the 2017 midseason rankings

13. Finnish blueliner Miro Heiskanen of IFK is also in the mix for top defenceman in this draft and the last of the prospects who got some consideration for being in the top five of the entire draft. Four scouts had him in their Top 10, including one vote as high as third overall. He's a solid skating and puck-moving blueliner.

https://www.tsn.ca/patrick-has-decided-edge-in-tsn-hockey-mid-season-draft-ranking-1.661533

One scout saw his potential and had Miro 3rd on his list.

 

[Anthony5967]

The reason I jumped on the Point sheet was that I'm starting to doubt Panarin comes here over FLA.

 

[darko]

I think we tend to focus so much on the offensive side of things, that we don't really pay attention to the blue line.

Even if guys like Miller, ADA, Hajek, etc. become what we hope, it's still going to take a while to get there. I'll also go on record as saying that while I like what we have back there, I'm not nearly as optimistic as some when it comes to the projections of those prospects. That's one of the main reasons I was keen to take Byram if he was on the board at 6.

But generally speaking, I think the offense is going to be done baking significantly before the defense will.

I was on board with Byram if we had pick 3.

 

[haohmaru]

The reason I jumped on the Point sheet was that I'm starting to doubt Panarin comes here over FLA.

Too many assets to lose for a single player. Panarin costs you nothing but money. Point costs you, at probably minimum, a 1st, 2nd & a 3rd + money. Pass.

 

[darko]

The reason I jumped on the Point sheet was that I'm starting to doubt Panarin comes here over FLA.

It's not the right time to offer sheet Point or to add Panarin. We need to stick to the plan. Acquire picks, sell anyone not part of the future core, stay patient. We are only 1.5 years into the rebuild. This will take another 1.5 years minimum. No shortcuts please, let's do it right.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Turns 25 in a few days

Get the retirement papers ready!

 

[Bluenote13]

The Rangers need their own Miro Heiskanen. That player will come in the 1st round of the draft or in a trade. Sort of like the Rangers acquiring Ryan McDonagh from Montreal ten years ago. Heikanen wasn't projected to go in the top 10 in the midseason rankings in 2017. He had a great finish to his season and selected 3rd overall. The Rangers get a player like that and they are on their way. They need someone to grow with the rest of their young players.

Bob had Heiskanen 13th in the 2017 midseason rankings



https://www.tsn.ca/patrick-has-decided-edge-in-tsn-hockey-mid-season-draft-ranking-1.661533

One scout saw his potential and had Miro 3rd on his list.

After his amazing U18 tourney Heiskanen was consistently ranked within the top 5 by all the top scouting services final rankings. Button had him #4, Bob had him at #3.

 

[Fitzy]

There's only 2 blueliners in the top 15 rankings for the 2020 draft, too, so landing a Heiskanen isn't going to be a walk in the park.

 

[Fugazy]

The reason I jumped on the Point sheet was that I'm starting to doubt Panarin comes here over FLA.

It will end up being way too much for Point. I’m definitely passing on that.

 

[Waivers]

With Panarin, we’re spending cap space, and we have plenty of it. With Point, we’re spending quality draft picks, which we don’t have enough of. We also don’t have enough kids, fresh blood in the system. Keep turning everyone over (UFAs and maybe a FA) for the next two seasons. I’m not opposed to the accumulation of 6th/7th rounders.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

There's only 2 blueliners in the top 15 rankings for the 2020 draft, too, so landing a Heiskanen isn't going to be a walk in the park.

I don’t really even think there’s a single defenseman in this draft with Heiskanen potential

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don’t really even think there’s a single defenseman in this draft with Heiskanen potential

Heinola, Broberg and Byram probably have the highest ceiling, but Heinola's likelihood of reaching that potential is a lot lower than the other two.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Heinola, Broberg and Byram probably have the highest ceiling, but Heinola's likelihood of reaching that potential is a lot lower than the other two.

I don’t think there aren’t any high ceiling guys, I just don’t think there’s one that will/can be a consistent top 3 defenseman in the league

 

[True Blue]

100% agree on Strome. I don't think Vesey has a spot short or long term. That's why I expect him to be moved this summer. The thing I like about Namestnikov, Strome and Fast is that they can play anywhere up and down the lineup at least on a limited basis. Eventually they will be passed by other players or become too expensive to keep. All things in due time.

No reason to move Strome. He changed his game and took it forward a level. It is worth seeing if he can continue. Not every one needs to be a superstar. I would be happy with a third line of Lemiuex - Andersson - Strome for next year.

I agree that Vesey is probably not long for this team. Nieved, Smith and Fast can handle the 4th. Howden & Chytil can rotate between wing and center on the second line. Kravstov or Kakko will need to beat out Nametsnikov. Unless he is traded. I think the pieces come together once the decision is made on Kreider.

 

[True Blue]

The reason I jumped on the Point sheet was that I'm starting to doubt Panarin comes here over FLA.

Neither is going to happen. And it is assinine to trade 4 years worth of first rounders. Look at the damage inflicted on the system when Sather traded them away. And that was for a contending team.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don’t think there aren’t any high ceiling guys, I just don’t think there’s one that will/can be a consistent top 3 defenseman in the league

Well, a lot of defensemen drafted in later rounds reach that potential. Defensemen are so much harder to evaluate when they are 17-18 years old.

 

[Beacon]

I think people are still sleeping on Rykov. It’s very possible he comes over and pushes Hajek back to the AHL to start the season.

I definitely think Rykov is not getting the hype he deserves. It's hard to compare kids across leagues, so I don't know about Hajek v Rykov, I won't be suprised either way. Would be pretty amazing if one became a second pair guy and one a good third pair guy. We could trade Skjei for an upgrade elsewhere. But that's at least 2 years away, maybe 4, even if it works out perfectly. Not suggesting we trade Skjei now.

 

[Beacon]

I think we tend to focus so much on the offensive side of things, that we don't really pay attention to the blue line.

Even if guys like Miller, ADA, Hajek, etc. become what we hope, it's still going to take a while to get there. I'll also go on record as saying that while I like what we have back there, I'm not nearly as optimistic as some when it comes to the projections of those prospects. That's one of the main reasons I was keen to take Byram if he was on the board at 6.

But generally speaking, I think the offense is going to be done baking significantly before the defense will.

Sticky this.

We should keep in mind that:

1. Defensemen take longer to develop;

2. More defensemen bust than forwards (only half are needed for an NHL team);

3. Defensemen play more minutes, often QB the puck and are closer to their own goalie so their mistakes get exposed more, which is why you need quality Dmen, not just time-killers that you can use on the 4th line up front.

That's why GMs normally talk about building from the inside out because if you draft defensemen first, they will be ready around the same as the forwards you draft in later years. Which is why I think we should use our next 2-3 picks after Kakko on defensemen (plus, we just drafted Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil and Lias very early). We can always grab a center in the top 5-6 picks in the 2020 draft.

There's only 2 blueliners in the top 15 rankings for the 2020 draft, too, so landing a Heiskanen isn't going to be a walk in the park.

More reason why we should draft defensemen with the 2-3 picks after Kakko unless a forward is clearly BPA.

 

[Ola]

Guys like Panarin on defense just don’t become available as often as forwards though. Theoretically, they could sign Panarin for no assets and then trade a couple of forwards to bring in a good, young defenseman if one is available. I think you need to trade for a high end d-man whereas forwards seem to be available pretty regularly in UFA.

Since Suter, what top-pairing d-men in their prime have been available in UFA?

Duh, Shattenkirk!

 

[Ola]

Heiskanen and McAvoy are two guys who has been able to step in fairly fast and assume a bigger role.

They are the exceptions. Most guys get to their prime when they are 24-25, and are only ready to assume a goto role at that age.

If we draft a D that age next season, we can’t expect him to become our leader on the blueline before around 2025/26. 23-24 y/o.

 

[Ori]

What is the plan with Zucc? Are we going to let him sign elsewhere this summer as UFA and if so which team might be interested in him?
Jim Nill is not going to pay a 2020 1st for his signature - that`s an astonishing cost.

• I`ve Flyers as a team, because of AV their new coach.

 

[Cag29]

1. We need to bottom out and build more through the draft

2. We should offer sheet point and give up four consecutive 1st round picks

What?

I’m reading great things about that Raymond kid. Think he’s Swedish.