Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[duhmetreE]

Where is this Rossi talk coming from? Did I miss something

 

[duhmetreE]

Torts taking over 5v5 and delegating special teams might be decent.

 

[McRanger92]

If the Rangers hired Tortorella, Panarin is staying. I hope all the anti-Panarinites are willing to accommodate that.

Fine by me for a year. torts is the only coach who got him to not cut corners with every aspect of his game.

 

[noncents]

Where is this Rossi talk coming from? Did I miss something

wild beat chummed the waters. it's the same as the peterka thing. other teams can offer better than we can.

 

[zlev]

hire tortorella but to replace sam

 

[McRanger92]

Id trade Trocheck for Rossi in a heartbeat and I dont consider Trocheck to being among the chief culprits of the decline this season. But if you can move a 30 year old undersized 2/3 C for a guy with upside in his 20s at a position of need its a no-brainer. trading Lafreniere or K'Andre for Rossi doesnt make us better now or later. It's just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

[duhmetreE]

KAM Fox
Schaefer Borgen

Speak it into existence. Believe.

Then add Torts to whip the primadonnas into shape and actually be decent at 5v5. Keep Muse for the PK. I’m indifferent on Peca. The PP has had some mind numbing setups but it’s still better than a Torts PP.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Wtf you actually admitted this?

Did you accidentally drink you're uncle's coffee this morning?

He’s talking about Zach Hyman

 

[Bob Richards]

Agnostic about a Torts return. I’m dubious about him providing any particularly great benefit but I actually like the man lol

 

[will1066]

Yes exactly lmao. Small and talented and not a fake alpha male.

New acronym: FAM

Fake
Alpha
Male

 

[will1066]

Wtf you actually admitted this?

Did you accidentally drink you're uncle's coffee this morning?

It was Irish coffee

 

[McRanger92]

New acronym: FAM

Fake
Alpha
Male

f'Andre Miller

 

[Savant]

Id trade Trocheck for Rossi in a heartbeat and I dont consider Trocheck to being among the chief culprits of the decline this season. But if you can move a 30 year old undersized 2/3 C for a guy with upside in his 20s at a position of need its a no-brainer. trading Lafreniere or K'Andre for Rossi doesnt make us better now or later. It's just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Trading Lafreniere for Rossi absolutely, at a minimum, has potential to make us better. You’d get a top six center in for a winger, and you’d get cap relief. It would be a slam dunk

 

[McRanger92]

Trading Lafreniere for Rossi absolutely makes us better. You’d get a top six center in for a winger, and you’d get cap relief. It would be a slam dunk

And we'd be looking for another top 6 winger. We'd also need to pay Rossi as he will be an RFA. I know people hate Laf but hes our best 5v5 scorer not named Panarin. The point for me would be to have as many 23 year olds as we can so we can actual build something sustainable.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Kreider out. Sam Bennett in. I dont want that to be how it plays out, but that is the most Rangers way to operate.

I just dont think our young core sucks as much as they are made out to. Lot's of people talking emotionally about how screwed we are but you have to take this season with a grain of salt. There are obviously major internal/locker room issues with this roster. Being led by a core group that the fans and front office obviously dont believe in is a tough situation for any player to thrive. People downplay leadership, but without a leader, you have nothing in any field. Guys can say all they want after games, but no one on the Rangers plays like a leader on the ice. People will come at me for thinking that is important as they usually do, but every other good team has strong centralized leadership and we do it by committee with a bunch of shrinking violets.

Which is why trading Goodrow and Trouba was so stupid.

I’m a thousand percent serious. Dump Laviolettedown now and have Torts issue an ultimatum: show me you want to be here or you’re gone over the summer. f*** all of them. They quit on each other, the organization, the fans, the city. I’m out for blood. Bring in Torts and make them cryProblem

lotta capspace. retained panarin? kreider?

lafreniere miller perreault
cuylle rossi zibanejad
kreider trocheck berard

I would expect they would want a C back, and Mika says no.

 

[McRanger]

He was pretty instrumental in building the defensive structure of the 2013-2014 team. It just all fell apart so quickly once AV started digging his claws in and the team made pretty much every wrong personnel decision.

He was.

But the team was also markedly different in 13-14 than 12-13. 13-14 was the first full season of Zucc, Kreider, Pouliot, Brassard. Thats almost half our top 9.

I guess it just concerns me hiring a guy who had players like Zuccarello and Kreider d**king around in the minors because he couldn't wrap his head around how to use them.

I dont see a perfect storm where some of the team learns to play a grind-y hardnosed game with a bunch of talented depth suddenly arriving to ride that wave. Its possible of course, I just dont think its likely. More likely is he either crashes out spectacularly like in Vancouver or we end up riding our grinders to the post season a few times until he burns out and we're no better off than we were.

 

[bhamill]

Lafreniere, Kreider & Zibanejad pretty objectively have had worse seasons. Trocheck is not without blame but he was one of the few that (futilely) tried to change the tide during the disastrous Nov-Dec, based on his contract his baseline expectations should align closer to a good 3C rather than 1C he's been doing as Panarin partner (and inability of Zibanejad to meet expectations for this role).

@eco's bones made this observation already but it did worth mentioning production from key leaders in this latest 1-4 team's spiral.

Lafreniere has gone from 0.7ppg to 0.6ppg. Tro has gone from 0.9ppg to 0.7ppg. What's MOST disappointing is that we were hoping for progress, while Laf has regressed. Though nowhere near as badly as Kreids, Zib, Pan. The team as a whole has regressed, but Laf has had the least severe drop in points amongst last years top six forward group.
And yes, it's more than just points... for most of the team.

 

[McRanger92]

He was.

But the team was also markedly different in 13-14 than 12-13. 13-14 was the first full season of Zucc, Kreider, Pouliot, Brassard. Thats almost half our top 9.

I guess it just concerns me hiring a guy who had players like Zuccarello and Kreider d**king around in the minors because he couldn't wrap his head around how to use them.

I dont see a perfect storm where some of the team learns to play a grind-y hardnosed game with a bunch of talented depth suddenly arriving to ride that wave. Its possible of course, I just dont think its likely. More likely is he either crashes out spectacularly like in Vancouver or we end up riding our grinders to the post season a few times until he burns out and we're no better off than we were.

Kreider couldve used more time early in his career with Torts imo. Would've benefitted him long term.

 

[Cheapshot]

Really do miss those torts interviews with Larry

 

[UnSandvich]

Lafreniere has gone from 0.7ppg to 0.6ppg. Tro has gone from 0.9ppg to 0.7ppg. What's MOST disappointing is that we were hoping for progress, while Laf has regressed. Though nowhere near as badly as Kreids, Zib, Pan. The team as a whole has regressed, but Laf has had the least severe drop in points amongst last years top six forward group.
And yes, it's more than just points... for most of the team.

Lafreniere’s IPP (Individual Point Production, the percentage of goals scored while on ice that he had a point on) at 5v5 has actually gone up from last season too. It’s just the entire Top 6 scoring less as a whole

 

[Savant]

And we'd be looking for another top 6 winger. We'd also need to pay Rossi as he will be an RFA. I know people hate Laf but hes our best 5v5 scorer not named Panarin. The point for me would be to have as many 23 year olds as we can so we can actual build something sustainable.

We have too many wingers as it is. You have to try internal solutions there. Also it creates a spot for Gabe. You’d have to pay Rossi, but it’s probably less, or similar than Lafreniere, and we need that money at center; not at wing. Balances the team out better. If I can move any of our wingers for a top 6 center or top pairing Dman, I’m probably exploring that

 

[Cmox]

Tort is probably my favorite Rangers' coach, but I'm personally opposed to retreads and coach incest. Rangers need to get a no-name, young coach. They won't. The hiring of Quinn probably gave them PTSD. I'm not against having Torts in a lesser role with the team. They desperately need a kick in the ass type personality around.

 

[McRanger92]

We have too many wingers as it is. You have to try internal solutions there. Also it creates a spot for Gabe. You’d have to pay Rossi, but it’s probably less, or similar than Lafreniere, and we need that money at center; not at wing. Balances the team out better. If I can move any of our wingers for a top 6 center or top pairing Dman, I’m probably exploring that

There's already a spot for Gabe. he should start in Hartford anyway. Trade Kreider. Use picks to add Rossi. There's not point to trading laf to get him. I'd want them playing together.

 

[UnparalledPark]

“injured” Kreider vs. Kings had 19:24 TOI. That’s a huge number for a winger.

Oh, and zero hits. And zero shots. Zero player.

Actually, I took it upon myself to monitor Key and Kreider that game. He had a hit, a blocked shot and 2 SM (shots that missed the net) that for some reason did not show up on the score sheet. Makes you wonder if the guys doing the official scoring are the same guys making rulings on goalie interference. Anyway, Kreider can twirl around the ice for 30 minutes a game, He just won’t engage in areas that can give him whiplash apparently, which definitely limits his effectiveness. I still think he can be effective on the PP because of his effective wrist shot, but either way his net front needs to be taken by Cuylle. Kreider being unable/unwilling to resume his net front presence is THE reason the PP stinks.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Yah let’s see how Sully fares when he doesn’t have two all timers as his 1-2 punch at center. Hard pass.

I’m willing to give it a chance. At least he knows how to implement a D structure, he just doesn’t have any decent Dmen. Also, if you don’t backcheck, you don’t play. And he can at least spell forecheck.