Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[HatTrick Swayze]

Lmao @EdJovanovski you always keep things entertaining my man

 

[TGWL]

When has this team played zone defense instead of man to man? I feel like it happened recently for like, one season but can't remember who it was under.

They tried zone with Gallant. Last season felt more like a middle ground for them where this season seems like it straight on man-to-man.

Most teams were using man to man. Teams seem to be ditching over the last 2-3 years because the skill and speed is so high that it's getting harder and harder to defend. You're just scrambling all over the place following a puck protecting player, unless a mistake is made and you're caught with your pants hanging down your ankles. Creating turnovers is pretty tough.

But it's not to say that it doesn't work. Florida was using a man-to-man defense structure when they reached the SCF. (They lost in the final that year)

I don't think we have the players to keep up in a man-to-man system or players who can create turnovers.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

They tried zone with Gallant. Last season felt more like a middle ground for them where this season seems like it straight on man-to-man.

Most teams were using man to man. Teams seem to be ditching over the last 2-3 years because the skill and speed is so high that it's getting harder and harder to defend. You're just scrambling all over the place following a puck protecting player, unless a mistake is made and you're caught with your pants hanging down your ankles. Creating turnovers is pretty tough.

But it's not to say that it doesn't work. Florida was using a man-to-man defense structure when they reached the SCF. (They lost in the final that year)

I don't think we have the players to keep up in a man-to-man system or players who can create turnovers.

Our team speed is not good enough for man to man, we're basically wearing our team out in our own end

 

[Leonardo87]

Holy shit I just saw Bob McKenzie, yelled out the window and asked him about Torts, he said Rangers are hiring him
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[NYR Viper]

Zegras is a CINO at this point a la Stamkos and Pavelski.

I'd rather put Zibanejad back down the middle.

The team is going to need to think outside the box. Zegras played his best hockey at center and then was moved to wing where he has struggled.

 

[McRanger]

Dubinsky had his best years under Torts at 2 different locations. He also retired a Blue Jacker due to injury. And if Gabby was the only skill guy we had, Torts did an awesome job as Rangers coach.

Torts does great work getting the most out of hardworking grinders so yeah he did a good job with those garbage teams. You can't win a cup like that though, at least IMO. The only real run the team had was in 11-12 and that whole 11-12 season was flukey as hell and that one weird season was pretty much the only success Torts has had in 2 decades.

As for Dubinsky, he wouldn't piss on Torts if Torts was on fire.

 

[TGWL]

The team is going to need to think outside the box. Zegras played his best hockey at center and then was moved to wing where he has struggled.

What does outside the box mean here? Is it really out of box thinking when his name is brought up 100 times a season?

To get Zegras you have to over pay, then hope it works out. I think if we had other pieces already in place it wouldn't be a bad idea to add skill, but he's kinda' playing the same way as the players we're already ripping to shreds. I don't think we can afford to add more of that without some subtractions first. I don't see them wanting the those subtractions in a deal for Zegras.

 

[TGWL]

Torts does great work getting the most out of hardworking grinders so yeah he did a good job with those garbage teams. You can't win a cup like that though, at least IMO. The only real run the team had was in 11-12 and that whole 11-12 season was flukey as hell and that one weird season was pretty much the only success Torts has had in 2 decades.

As for Dubinsky, he wouldn't piss on Torts if Torts was on fire.

He'd aim for the area that wasn't on fire.

 

[NYR Viper]

What does outside the box mean here? Is it really out of box thinking when his name is brought up 100 times a season?

To get Zegras you have to over pay, then hope it works out.

Why overpay? If that's the case, then pass. But he is making $5.75m next year and then is arbitration eligible. If he thinks of himself as a center, which I believe he does, then all he has to do is not sign and go to arbitration where he will get his 1 year offer at just over what he is making now and the team can't walk if they qualify him. That is likely to push him to $6m or so as a cap hit and then allow him to just walk his way to UFA while making really good money. If he wants out, I highly doubt Anaheim plays hardball. They'll find a good spot to move him and make the move

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

How bad do you have to be coaching in Philly getting fired this time of year. Any other coach on a team outside of the playoffs would be given the door at the end of season

His comments to the media

 

[kovazub94]

Lafreniere has gone from 0.7ppg to 0.6ppg. Tro has gone from 0.9ppg to 0.7ppg. What's MOST disappointing is that we were hoping for progress, while Laf has regressed. Though nowhere near as badly as Kreids, Zib, Pan. The team as a whole has regressed, but Laf has had the least severe drop in points amongst last years top six forward group.
And yes, it's more than just points... for most of the team.

That's actually the point - by all metrics Lafreniere was (rightly) expected to build on his last year's performance, not regress.

 

[TGWL]

Why overpay? If that's the case, then pass. But he is making $5.75m next year and then is arbitration eligible. If he thinks of himself as a center, which I believe he does, then all he has to do is not sign and go to arbitration where he will get his 1 year offer at just over what he is making now and the team can't walk if they qualify him. That is likely to push him to $6m or so as a cap hit and then allow him to just walk his way to UFA while making really good money. If he wants out, I highly doubt Anaheim plays hardball. They'll find a good spot to move him and make the move

He doesn't have the contract luxury to play hardball right now. Your scenario is still 2 full seasons out if he plays out the 1 year arbitration. Ducks will take best offer, which means we're not getting him cheap. What are you offering for Zegras?

 

[Machinehead]

Why we gotta have two days off in California? We're already there.

And then we get Anaheim and San Jose back to back days. Those cities are not that f***ing close to each other.

Shit makes no sense.

 

[TGWL]

Basically what we see happen all the time with our team.

 

[Leonardo87]

Why we gotta have two days off in California? We're already there.

And then we get Anaheim and San Jose back to back days. Those cities are not that f***ing close to each other.

Shit makes no sense.

Rangers are off today?

I may bunk into a Rangers player. I’m in Disneyland today , they can’t pass up a day at Disneyland if they are off lol

But yeah the schedule makes no sense, a back to back with LA and Anaheim makes more sense, because it’s about a hour drive from each-other.

 

[NYR Viper]

He doesn't have the contract luxury to play hardball right now. Your scenario is still 2 full seasons out if he plays out the 1 year arbitration. Ducks will take best offer, which means we're not getting him cheap. What are you offering for Zegras?

It is 2 years away but he still holds the cards. If he goes to a team or spot where he is uncomfortable, he will just do the same thing to that team that he can do to Anaheim, walk himself, with really nice contracts, to UFA. Maybe there are teams out there who would value that for 2-3 years and then just see where it goes but that would take a very specific team and opportunity.

He wants to play center and he isn't cheap and it needs to be a spot where he would likely want to play for a while so he, his agent and the GM can work around his upcoming contract requests.

It's hard to determine what pieces the Rangers have to make this type of move and who Verbeek would value. I would imagine he would like someone like Othmann. Who are the Rangers returning in trades for Kreider and Panarin? Who Anaheim take a late 1st in this years draft that the Rangers get in exchange from Panarin, say, from LA?

 

[RangerBoy]

Go Montreal and Columbus

 

[Profet]

Do we get Edge back if Torts comes back?

 

[NYR Viper]

Do we get Edge back if Torts comes back?

That's a trade we all should make

 

[bhamill]

That's actually the point - by all metrics Lafreniere was (rightly) expected to build on his last year's performance, not regress.

Well, it’s ONE of the points. Which is why I mentioned it. Another is that in comparison to Pan, Zib, Kreider and Tro, Laf has regressed the least. Classic good news/bad news scenario.
Of those 5 players I’m the least worried about Laf. The others are likely to trend downward due to age/wear/tear. I expect Laf to trend up. No guarantees or crystal balls of course, we shall see.

 

[Profet]

Go Montreal and Columbus

Boyle is so on the money there.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brooks and Boyler trashed the Rangers. The mentality is awful. The Rangers look tired and they want to go home. Some players refuse to play a certain way. One man forecheck. No straight lines. Won't or refuse to dump the puck. The team is not very talented. Some high end talent. Many teams have high end talent and they are quicker, faster and younger. Not a great finesse team. They can't play east and west. The PP is terrible.

 

[Profet]

Brooks and Boyler trashed the Rangers. The mentality is awful. The Rangers look tired and they want to go home. Some players refuse to play a certain way. One man forecheck. No straight lines. Won't or refuse to dump the puck. The team is not very talented. Some high end talent. Many teams have high end talent and they are quicker, faster and younger. Not a great finesse team. They can't play east and west. The PP is terrible.

and it's all 100% true. Everyone knows it except the coach and the players.

 

[RangerBoy]

and it's all 100% true. Everyone knows it except the coach and the players.

Rangers management can't bring back most of these players next season.

 

[JohnC]

While true, Torts isn't really the same coach that he was then. Theres a bunch of reputation BS that has followed him around that doesn't really fit anymore, both good and bad (for instance, he hasn't been 6 goalie Torts since he left NY.)

I don't see the fit really. He isn't the super hard ass that he used to be (because he can't be) and it would be another boring and uninspired hire. Not Laviolette bad, but it'd just be so predictable.

Being a Panarin truther just makes it even more of a no go for me.

Oh I’d rather get a colonoscopy than bring Torts back, just pointing out that he had some positives.

The guy that created the Dorsett-Newbury-Mashinter line is NOT welcome in my dojo.