Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[Machinehead]

Nah. That’s how he’s being used by a dinosaur coach. Other teams are asking for him in packages for marquee players. And he’s still young.

Yes. They're asking for him in packages. That's what a throw-in is. That's what a spare part is.

We're not going to gather up three or four of those and get Peterka.

Peterka isn't some prospect. He's a very good player right now who's 23. I don't think we have any available assets that return him, unless they went for Panarin which I don't see Buffalo doing, nor would he waive there.

IIRC @McRanger92 has tossed about trading Gabe for Peterka. I'm not saying I would do that, but that's probably what you're looking at.

 

[haohmaru]

Yes. They're asking for him in packages. That's what a throw-in is. That's what a spare part is.

No, that’s not what I’m saying. Kreider and Schneider for Peterka centers around Schneider, not Kreider. I don’t think it’s enough either but Schneider isn’t the throw in.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yes. They're asking for him in packages. That's what a throw-in is. That's what a spare part is.

We're not going to gather up three or four of those and get Peterka.

Peterka isn't some prospect. He's a very good player right now who's 23. I don't think we have any available assets that return him, unless they went for Panarin which I don't see Buffalo doing, nor would he waive there.

IIRC @McRanger92 has tossed about trading Gabe for Peterka. I'm not saying I would do that, but that's probably what you're looking at.

In before they land Peterka for a Schneider centered package.

You may not like him, but other teams clearly do for the same reason we see teams do stupid shit all the time.

 

[Machinehead]

In before they land Peterka for a Schneider centered package.

You may not like him, but other teams clearly do for the same reason we see teams do stupid shit all the time.

That's true. He is half an inch taller than the average NHL defenseman, which is worth about $4m by itself.

But like, even Buffalo has to realize Peterka is a legit 1st liner, right?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That's true. He is half an inch taller than the average NHL defenseman, which is worth about $4m by itself.

But like, even Buffalo has to realize Peterka is a legit 1st liner, right?

I think they know what they have.

It doesn't matter if what they have doesn't want any part of them anymore.

FWIW I 100% buy into the noise that something almost went down at the deadline. I think the Sabres owner nixed it as JJ is his favorite player and probably wanted a few months to try to smooth things over himself.

If that fails (and I'd imagine it will, Buffalo is Buffalo), we'll probably see this pick up again in June.

 

[Uglybstrd]

He might be the most useless player I’ve ever seen. Holy shit he provides nothing.

Parssinen is the new Darrol Powe, offensive completely useless. I liked he stood up for his teammates once, but I cannot imagine they`ll extend him (I wouldnt).

 

[NYR94]

If Adams moves Peterka for Schneider...yikes

 

[TGWL]

This fits:

Panarin + Jones for Fiala + Clarke + LA 1st '25 + LA 2nd '26

Kreider + Parsinnen for Lindholm + 3rd '25

Lafreniere-Miller-Fiala
Cuylle-Zibanejad-Perrault
Othmann-Trochek-Berard
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe
Brodzinski
Kaliyev

Miller-Fox
Lindholm-Borgen
Schneider-Clarke
Vaak
Soucy

Shesty
Quick

Miller - 6 years @ $4.85m per season
Cuylle - 6 years @ $3.75m per season

That's a 24 man roster (which won't work but you get the idea still with $1.118m in cap space (so really ~$2m in cap space with one player sent down or traded)

You keep pushing this and I don't see how it makes any sense for LA Kings. It seems like way too much.

 

[UnparalledPark]

It's not surprising since the 2026 kids are on average a full year younger. A better comparison will be the 2025 kids now vs the 2026 kids a year from now. Of course, it's also assuming those weights are accurate, which they might not be in every case.

You make some good points.

 

[Machinehead]

I think they know what they have.

It doesn't matter if what they have doesn't want any part of them anymore.

FWIW I 100% buy into the noise that something almost went down at the deadline. I think the Sabres owner nixed it as JJ is his favorite player and probably wanted a few months to try to smooth things over himself.

If that fails (and I'd imagine it will, Buffalo is Buffalo), we'll probably see this pick up again in June.

If it comes to that, I would guess that a good team with, you know, attractive assets, is going to blow us away.

 

[haohmaru]

That's true. He is half an inch taller than the average NHL defenseman, which is worth about $4m by itself.

But like, even Buffalo has to realize Peterka is a legit 1st liner, right?

Peterka has also asked for out of Buffalo which changes the dynamic of what Buffalo realizes.

Let me ask you something, let's swap Miller (KAM) for Schneider in that package. Does Buffalo consider it with an add (prospect, or 2nd, or whatever)?

 

[Machinehead]

Peterka has also asked for out of Buffalo which changes the dynamic of what Buffalo realizes.

Let me ask you something, let's swap Miller (KAM) for Schneider in that package. Does Buffalo consider it with an add (prospect, or 2nd, or whatever)?

That's closer because Miller is much better than Schneider. Say what you will about the guy, but he has proven top 4 minutes on his resume and has at least had stretches of being able to defend.

I still can't imagine a scenario where that's the best offer.

 

[haohmaru]

That's closer because Miller is much better than Schneider. Say what you will about the guy, but he has proven top 4 minutes on his resume and has at least had stretches of being able to defend.

I still can't imagine a scenario where that's the best offer.

I'd trade Miller before Schneider every day and twice on Sunday. His decisions aren't just bad, they're catastrophic. I'm not sure that that is something that can be corrected.

The fact that there's smoke to other teams wanting Schneider, not Miller, should tell you something as well.

 

[TGWL]

How much is Buffalo willing to pay Peterka? Coming off his ELC deal and would want a significant bump, especially if the player wants out. Would Peterka take that 3 year bridge? My guess it it would have to be way north of 7 for any chance an offersheet isn't matched. Seems like a prime candidate for 6.8 2/3 year deal, but don't think it'll be enough. We don't have our second round pick so can't go over that 1st/3rd compensation.

 

[McRanger92]

He's a third pairing defenseman who will be 24 this year.

That's a throw-in.

24 is young

 

[cwede]

sorry if already mentioned, I hadn't seen mentions yet
Aube-Kubel recalled by NYR, so i assume he goes on the West Coast trip

it was listed at AHL Transactions site,
dated Saturday, so maybe right after he scored that night's OT winner
at NYR site he IS listed on the roster, assigned #96

 

[haohmaru]

24 is young

And he's 23, not 24. I mean, it's March and his birthday is in September. It's not like it's next week.

23 is super young and he's going to be close to 300 games by the time this season ends. He's one of the guys I build around moving forward if I'm the GM.

I "throw" him "in" to our lineup for the next 7 years.

 

[Fitzy]

John Moore was in a similar situation to Schneider when he was dealt. He was't one of the key pieces in the deal.

Schneid's physicality helps.

 

[Machinehead]

I'd trade Miller before Schneider every day and twice on Sunday. His decisions aren't just bad, they're catastrophic. I'm not sure that that is something that can be corrected.

The fact that there's smoke to other teams wanting Schneider, not Miller, should tell you something as well.

There's more smoke around Scneider than Miller because we can't replace Miller and probably wouldn't trade him. It should tell you something about Schneider that he's at least somewhat available.

 

[Raspewtin]

There's more smoke around Scneider than Miller because we can't replace Miller and probably wouldn't trade him. It should tell you something about Schneider that he's at least somewhat available.

it should say even more that we gave Borgen 2nd pair minutes right away and then extended him instead of giving Schneider a shot. probably because he sucks.

 

[Machinehead]

it should say even more that we gave Borgen 2nd pair minutes right away and then extended him instead of giving Schneider a shot. probably because he sucks.

I mean Miller and Schneider are both annoying and in roles they don't really handle well and...that's kind of where the comparison stops.

Miller is objectively way better defending in a much bigger role.

 

[haohmaru]

There's more smoke around Scneider than Miller because we can't replace Miller and probably wouldn't trade him. It should tell you something about Schneider that he's at least somewhat available.

He's not. That's the whole point. You can skew this however you want (you: above) or me - they're asking for Schneider because they don't want Miller. We don't know what we don't know.

I do know, however, that I'm much more ready to see what we can get for Miller and keeping Schneider for a host of reasons.

 

[NYR Viper]

You keep pushing this and I don't see how it makes any sense for LA Kings. It seems like way too much.

Fiala is about to finish his season with around 50-55 points. For a mainly offensive winger, that's not great. He doesn't fit the way LA wants to play and he makes quite a bit of money for 4 more years ($7.875m per season). I don't think it's THAT much of an ask

 

[kovazub94]

He's not. That's the whole point. You can skew this however you want (you: above) or me - they're asking for Schneider because they don't want Miller. We don't know what we don't know.

I do know, however, that I'm much more ready to see what we can get for Miller and keeping Schneider for a host of reasons.

There are really only two reasons in the Rangers current situation to trading Miller / keeping Schneider option:

1. Schneider contract will be cheaper for at least the next 3-6 years
2. Miller would bring more via trade

Both more or less indicate that Miller is a better player (I'm not going to use "sucks" etc)

 

[SA16]

I can't imagine why anyone would want Schneider over Miller, outside of having less cap space, considering Miller is much better at pretty much everything.