Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

[gravey9]

Just a few observations about the D:

1 - Tony D'Angelo is leading the D in points, BUT is also the only minus defender. Somehow he's managed to get 12 points and a be a -5. Again, no other defender on the team is a minus for the season. Either even or above. By comparison Adam Fox has 5 points and is a +2. Obviously a lot goes into those numbers, but even Marc Staal is a +2 on the year.

2. Worth noting: since Lindgren has been recalled, Adam Fox has scored 4 of his 5 points. Some of it is timing as Fox has steadily gotten more adjusted. But having a more steady partner in Lindgren has probably aided in that adjustment.

 

[DutchShamrock]

They hung in standings wise last season for the first few months before the wheels fell off. This is unsustainable especially if they rely on Lundqvist and his endurance at his age.

Which kind of brings up another observation. Quinn makes his merit statement and seems to be platooning players, or maybe benching guys for debatable reasons. But he seems to be faithful to a fault in this philosophy with the goalies.

He is riding them for stretches while the rest of the league sees the obvious benefits of platooning. He has an older guy on one hand, and a younger guy not used to the rigors of the NHL grind on the other.

I don't know, this is the one spot where rotating guys with less weight on merit would serve everyone. But that's the one area he is actually backing up his words.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Just a few observations about the D:

1 - Tony D'Angelo is leading the D in points, BUT is also the only minus defender. Somehow he's managed to get 12 points and a be a -5. Again, no other defender on the team is a minus for the season. Either even or above. By comparison Adam Fox has 5 points and is a +2. Obviously a lot goes into those numbers, but even Marc Staal is a +2 on the year.

2. Worth noting: since Lindgren has been recalled, Adam Fox has scored 4 of his 5 points. Some of it is timing as Fox has steadily gotten more adjusted. But having a more steady partner in Lindgren has probably aided in that adjustment.

1- It doesn't explain everything, but half his points are on the power play so he is only catching pluses on 7 of his points.
2- Fox and Lindgren probably have the most chemistry out of all the pairs if you factor in prior leagues.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

There are barely any comparables that I can think of. I remember Niemi was awarded almost $3M and IIRC Chicago walked away from it.

This 25 year old RFA signed a 2 year extension @4.4M after going 24-5 during the regular season with a 1.89GAA and .927SV%.

I don't see Georgiev getting anything over 3M imo.

 

[True Blue]

2. Worth noting: since Lindgren has been recalled, Adam Fox has scored 4 of his 5 points. Some of it is timing as Fox has steadily gotten more adjusted. But having a more steady partner in Lindgren has probably aided in that adjustment.

That is exactly who DeAngelo needs. Or another person like him.

 

[bobbop]

With all the dead money on the cap next year and some looming extensions needed, there is going to be a casualty or two. Not everyone you listed is going to be traded, but why not take advantage of using a high value asset like DeAngelo to address a major weakness and allow the Rangers to backfill his loss the easiest?

I'm not all that worried about the cap. I'm open to hockey trades but in DeAngelo's case (some of you won't believe I am saying this) he's come a long, long way in a year and a half and continues to get better. I though he was a slug when the Rangers got him and I hated the trade. I still don't like the trade but I feel a lot better about DeAngelo. I'm not trading him for futures.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'm not all that worried about the cap. I'm open to hockey trades but in DeAngelo's case (some of you won't believe I am saying this) he's come a long, long way in a year and a half and continues to get better. I though he was a slug when the Rangers got him and I hated the trade. I still don't like the trade but I feel a lot better about DeAngelo. I'm not trading him for futures.

Agree with not trading him for futures. That said, and I said it earlier, a 24 year old right handed PMD still under team control for another couple of years coming off of what will probably be a 40 to 50 point season will be worth an absolute ton in a hockey trade.

Even with Kakko and Kravtsov, the Rangers need another top 6 forward in the system. Awesome if DeAngelo can bring back his equivalent of a center in value.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Regardless of what happens, go out and get Nick Ritchie. Want this team to be harder to play against? He's the guy to go out and get

I'm unfamiliar with him. What is his game like?

 

[rangersfansince08]

I think Skjei for a good young 20s forward would be ideal
I could actually see us re-signing Strome to a reasonable contract and playing him at the 3rd line C, in a Brassard kind of role
Skjei + Lias to a team for a strong forward is something I could see

Skjei + Lias for Ehlers?
Kreider for 1st + B prospect to a western conference team

Panarin Zib Fast
Ehlers Chytil Buch
Lemieux Strome Kakko
xx Howden xx

Ehlers was reportedly shopped around a bit during the offseason. They re-signed Conner to a big contract and Laine has one coming up as well. Already have Wheeler and Scheif to big contracts too. Friedman reported that they very likely want a defenseman back in a deal. We have made several trades there, and with how Pionk is playing for them it isn't like they have a bitter taste in their mouth from it. Skjei + Howden/Lias makes sense here.

No way we get Ehlers for Skjei + Lias. We get a stud in addition to getting a camp dump and getting rid of a bust.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I only trade Deangelo if we get a stud like Zegras or Newhook.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'm unfamiliar with him. What is his game like?

Hard nosed, north south player with some good hands and a mean streak.

He'd essentially be our countermeasure to Tom Wilson. He has 9 points in 15 games so far this season.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

They hung in standings wise last season for the first few months before the wheels fell off. This is unsustainable especially if they rely on Lundqvist and his endurance at his age.

Which kind of brings up another observation. Quinn makes his merit statement and seems to be platooning players, or maybe benching guys for debatable reasons. But he seems to be faithful to a fault in this philosophy with the goalies.

He is riding them for stretches while the rest of the league sees the obvious benefits of platooning. He has an older guy on one hand, and a younger guy not used to the rigors of the NHL grind on the other.

I don't know, this is the one spot where rotating guys with less weight on merit would serve everyone. But that's the one area he is actually backing up his words.

I think the plan still is to rotate these guys. I wouldn't read too much into Gerogiev's three starts in a row nor Hank's two. Especially this early in the season.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Hard nosed, north south player with some good hands and a mean streak.

He'd essentially be our countermeasure to Tom Wilson. He has 9 points in 15 games so far this season.

And what would we have to give up for him? That seems like he is a skilled goon. Those are pretty valuable.

 

[Kovalev27]

The rangers aren’t going to trade a 50 plus point right shot 24 year old dman. They’re not. Take that to the bank. They may trade him after his next contract but certainly not this one. They’ll imo sign him to a longer term bridge deal. 2 or 3 years. Hoping 3. Then they’ll decide from there. But he’s going to be a priority signing this summer if they don’t get it done sooner.

 

[Fitzy]

The 4th line has been a possession travesty all season and could use a serious reworking. I'm not sure who to place the blame on the shoulders of.

We also have to sort of grapple with the fact that if we're so happy with 4 or 5 of our 6 defensemen, then why has the team defending been so terrible? Schemes?

Last game the puck movement out of the back was terrible. Really only Fox was ever able to do anything to get the puck cleanly in transition.

 

[Ori]

Lias going nowhere in NY and time to get something for that early 7th pick while he still have some value.

 

[bobbop]

1- It doesn't explain everything, but half his points are on the power play so he is only catching pluses on 7 of his points.
2- Fox and Lindgren probably have the most chemistry out of all the pairs if you factor in prior leagues.

Fox and Lindgren were paired together a few years ago at the WJC. They seem to be a near perfect match of skills.

 

[leetch99]

They have a punchers chance.

Isles lose a couple and we win a couple and + a game in hand ...things get pretty darn tight in the conference . Same applies to about 4 other clubs....and I think TB will be a top 3 club in their division . It's going to be a horse race to the finish for a playoff spot .

 

[Ola]

4M for 40 games? I don't see that happening.

I have no clue, I am just guessing. What is the going rate for a goalie sharing the starting duty?

 

[Ola]

I agree with your line of thinking Ola, but I think you're undervaluing our guys by quite a bit.

Georgiev will be a young goalie that will be RFA at the end of the season that has proven over a decent sized sample that he can be a starting goalie in this league. There's precedent for him to garner more in a trade than a low 2nd or high 3rd rounder.

Both Freddie Anderson and Martin Jones had similar numbers over the course of a similar sample size of games at the same age Georgiev is now. They garnered a late 1st and middle 1st rounder, respectively. I don't think it's exactly outlandish that Georgiev can net a high draft pick and a middle round pick. Maybe not a 1st rounder, but maybe a 2nd and 3rd rounder not unlike what Talbot brought back.

DeAngelo's value is going to be meteorically high this summer. RFA at 24 years old with two more years until UFA. The acquiring team can sign him to a large contract. The Rangers are packed to the brim with defense prospects. They have Trouba and Fox. Trouba got big money over many years. He's not going anywhere. Fox is 21 with two more years of an ELC cap hit after this one. DeAngelo is the odd man out. The Rangers aren't paying DeAngelo 5-6.5 million/season with the current construct of the roster and prospect pool.

The Rangers' prospect pool is embarrassingly shallow at forward outside of Kravtsov and Henriksson.

DeAngelo to Anaheim for Trevor Zegras. DeAngelo is going to be worth a lot this summer. They can acquire a blue chip center prospect or established young NHL center in return.

What happens with Buchnevich has a lot to do with how Kakko continues to progress and if Kravtsov plays better and is ready to go by next year. While it wouldn't surprise me to see Buchnevich dealt next summer, I would be more surprised by him being dealt than in would DeAngelo. Buchnevich shouldn't be dealt for futures unless its forma top 10 draft pick as was the rumor this past summer around him for Edmonton's 8th overall pick.

Upon further thinking about it, maybe there's a mega deal to be had with Anaheim.

Buchnevich and DeAngelo for Zegras and Nick Ritchie. The latter would guaranteed be a fan favorite and make this team even harder to play against. Imagine this lineup...

Kreider (extended 4 years)-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Fast (major glaring hole, but they're playing well now)
Ritchie-Chytil-Kravtsov
Andersson-Howden-Who cares

Skjei-Fox
Hajek-Trouba
Lindgren-Rykov/whoever is playing well

Lundqvist
Shestyorkin

Splitting games.

With Zegras joining 2021 after a 2nd year in college.

That team can make the playoffs next year and makes the Rangers really hard
to play against, and sets the team up well for the future.

Great stuff and exciting ideas/concepts!

 

[Ola]

Why wouldn't teams take Hank ? Maybe not at 8.5 but at 6.5 sure.

I just don’t think teams are doing each other any favors right now. It’s like the same with Shatty. At 50% retained — he just should have been tradeable, but he wasn’t.

Goaltending is also so special, you need a contender, that has an opening between the pipes. Already here we are down to what 2-3 teams at the most. And then one of them most want Hank and be able to take on the salary.

And even if he was great yesterday, I don’t think the notion around the league is that he still is a top goaltender.

Nah — I just think that the odds for it is really really slim. And that is before getting into the NMC talk.

 

[Ola]

Just a few observations about the D:

1 - Tony D'Angelo is leading the D in points, BUT is also the only minus defender. Somehow he's managed to get 12 points and a be a -5. Again, no other defender on the team is a minus for the season. Either even or above. By comparison Adam Fox has 5 points and is a +2. Obviously a lot goes into those numbers, but even Marc Staal is a +2 on the year.

2. Worth noting: since Lindgren has been recalled, Adam Fox has scored 4 of his 5 points. Some of it is timing as Fox has steadily gotten more adjusted. But having a more steady partner in Lindgren has probably aided in that adjustment.

Great point on Lindgren. I think the kid is bringing a lot of positive energy to the team. I don’t know if no-nonsense is the right term, but something around that line. The kid got an aura of being chippy in a non-combative way. Like not stirring things up, but just playing really hard he right way.

 

[Avery16]

Fabbri two goals in two periods in first game with Detroit

 

[RGY]

Oh no Fabbri scores twice in debut, Rangers really missed out...

Guy hasn’t played a full season in his entire career, including missing an entire season 2 years ago.

1 point in 9 games up until tonight.

There was a reason STL only got what they did when they moved him.

Nothing to see here.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Am I nuts (and I probably am), but getting Mika back...is this an eighth seed team? Stranger things have happened.

Ahhh yes. The dreaded middle. Exactly where we want to be.