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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

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I want this team to be built the right way; youth, development, early picks etc. This takes a couple of bad seasons, I'm all for it. It means moving the veterans for assets for the future, I'm all for it. At least they would have a purpose and a direction. I don't want to see them try to piece together a team every year just to be competitive. Making the playoffs, maybe winning a round but never winning anything important doesn't appeal to me. Build to be great, not middle of the pack just to sell a couple of home playoff gates.

Never good enough to win a Cup but never bad enough to get early draft picks leads you to nowhere land. Of course, those players chosen with those early picks and maybe the NCAA free agents they've been able to sign up need to be developed properly. If this doesn't work out, at least they tried to do it the right way.
 
I think that the idea that the Rangers were never good enough to win a Cup is not quite right. They were good enough. They just didn’t win. It’s kind of the beauty of sport.
I appreciate that tanking and getting high picks is a way. But winners have been built all kind of ways.
 
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Btw, in the event, say, the Rangers tank *hard* this year and get, say, the number two pick. Do people really think they’d then tank for a top pick again? I don’t think it would be even possible.
I think it’s safe to say the real tanking talk is for this year only.
In the end of the day it’s really about good scouting, drafting, and trading. I think the tanking talk is almost inconsequential in the overall scheme of things.
 
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I saw someone earlier talk about us taking shortcuts by not getting top picks.

What does that mean? When have we ever turned down a top pick? We have traded all vets but two, Zucc and Shatty. We will dump players again this season. If anything, I think we took a short cut starting a rebuild while being a PO caliber team. Teams have cycles, its when you are patient and follow those cycles that good things happen. Anyone want to bet that Pittsburgh will keep going for it trading away picks and what not with Sidney and Malkin, and when they are done they will have absolutely nothing less and get top picks? We cheated our cycle. If we had traded away our 2018-2020 first round picks for vets -- anyone want to bet that we actually WOULD have gotten several top picks around 21'-23'?

Getting a top 2-3 pick is just not a button that you push.
 
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Gorton have options, he must build a contender by doing the best job of all GMs in the NHL. Its as simple as that.

Would Colorado trade their two 1st round picks and Soderberg (cap dump) for Kreider @50% and Hayes? Something like that could put us over the top. I am not sure Sakic would go for it, probably would want a bit more skill. Who knows. They really hated MDs guts there so maybe he would be fine with two hard working guys. I think it would make Colorado contenders over night, but what do I know.
 
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Rangers may have as many a 3-4 first round picks this draft. So to quote the late Stan Lee "Fear Not True Believers." If they don't tank, they can still find some very good players. They can package 2 picks plus a Georgiev to get into the top 10, or they can keep all of them and go boom/bust again.

Where will these picks comes from? I fully expect a first for Zuc. If Tampa wins the Cup. And then the Hayes situation.

I wouldn't trade Georgiev personally, but I don't call those shots.

Also, we have to keep in mind it's still only November. Last year that was their best month as well.

The most interesting part of the season to me besides monitoring the Zuc/Hayes situations is to see if players like Vesey and TDA can keep improving, and if this team keeps staying competitive, what they'll do to fill it out without giving up picks or trading for rentals.

I'd be really curious to see this lineup with Buch back, Zuc traded, and Fogarty/Gettinger replacing Lettieri/McLeod/Spooner.
 
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egelband said:
Btw, in the event, say, the Rangers tank *hard* this year and get, say, the number two pick. Do people really think they’d then tank for a top pick again? I don’t think it would be even possible.
I think it’s safe to say the real tanking talk is for this year only.
In the end of the day it’s really about good scouting, drafting, and trading. I think the tanking talk is almost inconsequential in the overall scheme of things.
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Right, they wouldn't need to cause the cupboard isn't bare.
 
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jas said:
I maintain that what the Rangers need to do is not so much draft their Crosby/McDavid, but rather their Schiefele/Kuznetsov/Pasternak.
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And they quite possibly already have that with Andersson/Kravtsov/Chytil, respectively. Oh and then there is Howden and whomever they draft in next years draft. Plus the defensemen, Hajek, Miller, Lundkvist, Keane, and even Lindgren. Pionk and ADA.
 
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RGY said:
And they quite possibly already have that with Andersson/Kravtsov/Chytil, respectively. Oh and then there is Howden and whomever they draft in next years draft. Plus the defensemen, Hajek, Miller, Lundkvist, Keane, and even Lindgren. Pionk and ADA.
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They need another one, that’s the point.

These wins in games where they get shelled for most of the game are annoying but that will take care of itself in the long run. My only worry is that the FO will fall for the fools gold and do something dumb if they’re even close when the time comes to move people.
 
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They need another one, that’s the point.

These wins in games where they get shelled for most of the game are annoying but that will take care of itself in the long run. My only worry is that the FO will fall for the fools gold and do something dumb if they’re even close when the time comes to move people.
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They've got 5 ROW, and they're 4-0 in shootouts.

I'm happy with the progress but I don't think we should be planning the playoff run yet.
 
RGY said:
And they quite possibly already have that with Andersson/Kravtsov/Chytil, respectively. Oh and then there is Howden and whomever they draft in next years draft. Plus the defensemen, Hajek, Miller, Lundkvist, Keane, and even Lindgren. Pionk and ADA.
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I don’t see Andersson or Howden reacting that level. And I’m convinced Chytil needs weary on Zibanejad’s wing . Kravtsov could very well be that player. But they need more.
 
jas said:
I don’t see Andersson or Howden reacting that level. And I’m convinced Chytil needs weary on Zibanejad’s wing . Kravtsov could very well be that player. But they need more.
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Kravstov + Panarin + one more guy. Not EK65. That's why I'm big on either getting as many first rounders this year and going for boom/bust (Newhook), or using two of them + assets like Georgiev to trade up and pick someone who is a riser like Kravstov was (Podzolkian sorry if I misspelled his name horribly). Gordie when @Amazing Kreiderman met him said he was at the tournament to see other players than the two Rangers picks. You can be your bottom dollar one was Podz.

As for Howden. My best friend summed him up beautifully in one two sentences. Howden is prime Drury. Knows where to go and always makes the right play.
 
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I don’t see Andersson or Howden reacting that level. And I’m convinced Chytil needs weary on Zibanejad’s wing . Kravtsov could very well be that player. But they need more.
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I honestly think that this league is about development much more than about getting talent. You need to make your own fortune.

But in that context, you also need a really strong framework to put the kids in. Everything Tampa touches lately becomes great players in the NHL, certainly Hedman and the blueline they have and Stamkos leading the way offensively have helped in that. Meanwhile if you look at a team like Florida its the opposite almost. Toss the kids out on the ice and odds are huge that they will shrink instead of grow as players.

I don't think its possible to really 'cap' the potential of Lias or Chytil or Kravtsov or Howden and so forth. K'Andre Miller. Keane. I've seen players make more of less before so to speak.
 
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East Coast Bias said:
They've got 5 ROW, and they're 4-0 in shootouts.

I'm happy with the progress but I don't think we should be planning the playoff run yet.
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Agree with this. It's very encouraging to have this young group play so well - and for our rookies to steal a game! But, people forget you usually have the bottom 5 and then teams 6-20 are separated by like 4 points by seasons end. It only takes a two-three game slump to turn the tables.
 
Over the next year, Gorton has some tough decision to make...

Will Hayes be re-signed? Will they go after Panarin? Is Zucc going to be re-signed? Who do you move? Do you consolidate in a trade?

Next year possibles;

LW - Panarin?- Kreider - Names - Vesey

C - Zibs - Hayes - Howden - Chytil - Andersson

RW - Kravstov? - Zucc? - Buch - Fast

That's potentially 13 players for who should be in the top 9
 
Brett Howden. Loving this guy.

You never truly know with prospects but it's very exciting when they make the leap and look like they belong. This is the case with Howden, and we can see why they needed to keep him on the roster. He's great defensively, superb on face-offs, solid in transition, has a good shot, and best attribute is his IQ.

Looking forward to his development.
 
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