Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[stan the caddy]

I joined this site back around the time Drury was finishing up his horrible contract with the Rangers. Seeing him go was a relief.

I don't understand what he's doing here. He seems to have some sort of connection to the Rangers because he's from Connecticut. Who cares?

This guy has been nothing but a detriment to this organization both as a player and a member of the front office.

 

[n8]

LOL this board will now take your post as fact

"I think the last thing that we're gonna do is complain about our general manager." was the quote. I play A LOT of social deduction and deception games. You get hyper aware of how people phrase things to tell half truths. Many people like to make these type of statements to avoid having to tell a lie. Things like "IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK?" or "WHY would I do that?" trying to shift the justification off of them.

 

[Mandar]

above 2 are inaccurate, thus unfair, and repudiated herein

When someone says "I alone can fix it", the ego sum emphasis is narcissistic. I am NOT saying that.
I am saying pts made are correct, compared to the what they are measured vs.

For example, I said no to win now rentals.
It is unarguable that those moves other than a 4th for Vatrano were massive mistakes.
But the pt here is that argument prevails regardless of who makes it.

You 2 are among those who dispute my every word, practically, including something like: 'water is wet'.

I don't claim to know everything.
Indeed the path to knowledge includes a beginning that there is so much more to learn.

But that disclaimer is not a basis to not speak up, and promote competition of ideas, or take a stand if it is defensible.

You guys want my capitulation and it will NEVER happen.



Unfortunately, JTM will not be surrendered for Mika.
best we can do w/Mika is retain 50%, and get secondary parts from 'nucks

I am overall open to the rest of it in some variation.


Look in the mirror.
"Remove the beam from your own eye ...."


pls God no
to get out from under Zib I would have considered, if Mika waived
Zib + for EK

but not a cheap primo blue chip

Disingenuous to claim the first bolded line. Your constant opining contradicts this statement.

Second bolded line.....nope....dont care about your capitulation one bit. Would just be nice for the bullshit you espouse to go from hyper-drive to a turtle pace.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Rantanen will end up staying Colorado. Marner will stay in Toronto. Just like Igor was always staying here. It's all BS.

the nhl is a boring league full of GMs terrified of trading fourth liners to a division rival. the cap really made everything super lame from an entertainment standpoint.

hey, we may suck but at least we’re interesting!

I joined this site back around the time Drury was finishing up his horrible contract with the Rangers. Seeing him go was a relief.

I don't understand what he's doing here. He seems to have some sort of connection to the Rangers because he's from Connecticut. Who cares?

This guy has been nothing but a detriment to this organization both as a player and a member of the front office.

i remember the countdown websites for drury, gomez, and redden’s contracts. it seemed so far away then and now we’re here. f*** im old

 

[McRanger92]

"I think the last thing that we're gonna do is complain about our general manager." was the quote. I play A LOT of social deduction and deception games. You get hyper aware of how people phrase things to tell half truths. Many people like to make these type of statements to avoid having to tell a lie. Things like "IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK?" or "WHY would I do that?" trying to shift the justification off of them.

Acting Captain Vincent Trocheck: "And if there's no new business, we can adjourn this weeks' Player's only meeting"

*Meeka sheepishly raises his hand*: "I'd like to discuss some issues with upper management"

*Gavel slams* "Meeting adjourned!*

 

[mrhockey193195]

I didn't see anything egregious. It's similar to how real world organizations are run. If the policy is no office relationships/romances, if that's what they felt with the player/pr person having dinner budding into a situation, you quell it with a memo. It's potentially full of organizational conflict of interest situations. These players are multimillion dollar investments who can't be compromised in any way from performing their contractually obligated work.

This is a reasonable take. But my understanding is the the internal memo was pretty extreme and seemingly out of nowhere. Players & staff have always considered themselves to be coworkers. There were strong relationships there, and it's part of what made the whole organization (as trite as this sounds) feel like a "family".

Imagine working at a company and then overnight hearing that Sales & Marketing are no longer allowed to talk to each other in the office or out of the office...it's very bizarre.

If Ramsay was let go for reasons proprietary to the company, it doesn't get revealed. Kreider can still have his MSG curtain call moment with the ex-trainer but he's still an employee. He can be upset about it as he pleases but doesn't change a thing. Try openly criticizing the management at any job and you'll be out of a job.

Ramsay was let go for no valid reason. Kreider and leadership were rightfully pissed off because someone who put in a ton of effort and was a such a critical part of the team and the culture for nearly 25 years was cast aside like a piece of garbage. I cannot imagine and healthy work-environment where that does not negatively impact the rest of the organization.

Really it boils down to this: do you believe a healthy work environment can bring out the best in your employees? Do you believe a toxic work environment can cause your employees to perform sub optimally (even if the employees themselves are trying to be as professional as possible)? Rest assured I've never been in an NHL locker room, but I cannot imagine any line of work where the above is not the case.

 

[McRanger92]

The Rangers longest tenured players really quiet quit because the trainer got fired...unserious team.

The tribute video of him helping injured Rangers off the ice wouldve been unintentionally hilarious though.

 

[bernmeister]

Disingenuous to claim the first bolded line. Your constant opining contradicts this statement.

Second bolded line.....nope....dont care about your capitulation one bit. Would just be nice for the bullshit you espouse to go from hyper-drive to a turtle pace.

"Disingenuous to claim the first bolded line. Your constant opining contradicts this statement."
Nope.
My opining is reinforced by effort to substantiate same.
Where possible, objective fact is cited.
When only subj opinion, an effort is made to justify that op.

A true narcissist would not do that/go there.

I have a right to challenge your erroneous opinion as to what I espouse as "bullshit", when given there is some effort to substantiate it as described above, it is not.

 

[zlev]

The Rangers longest tenured players really quiet quit because the trainer got fired...unserious team.

The tribute video of him helping injured Rangers off the ice wouldve been unintentionally hilarious though.

Ramsey got fired before last season and then those players went out and won the Presidents Trophy and got within 2 games of the Stanley Cup Finals while having 2 non-NHL level defensemen in prominent roles. is that quiet quitting?

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[Ruggs225]

Thats what a captain does.

Still waiting for kreider to give us his thoughts about trouba which he said he would. Dude is a joke and should be stripped of the A. Just get rid of him already.

 

[Machinehead]

Acting Captain Vincent Trocheck: "And if there's no new business, we can adjourn this weeks' Player's only meeting"

*Meeka sheepishly raises his hand*: "I'd like to discuss some issues with upper management"

*Gavel slams* "Meeting adjourned!*

Next week's meeting:

Fox: "This new guy is too fast."

BORGEN:

Trocheck: "Adam, have you seen yourself? Everyone is too fast."

Kreider: "I used to be fast."

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[NickyFotiu]

"I think the last thing that we're gonna do is complain about our general manager." was the quote. I play A LOT of social deduction and deception games. You get hyper aware of how people phrase things to tell half truths. Many people like to make these type of statements to avoid having to tell a lie. Things like "IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK?" or "WHY would I do that?" trying to shift the justification off of them.

That was the quote but you know that was not what he was saying.

 

[Machinehead]

The ORGEN Era has begun

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[will1066]

Borg energy

 

[NYR Viper]

Trochek for captain

 

[will1066]

BTW, Trouba 5 GP with ANA, 0 points, -2.

 

[Ruggs225]

I said all along that Trocheck would be a good interim captain for the remainder of his contract or a kid stepped up.

Give him the C.

Strip zib and Kreider of A’s

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Will Cyborgen

 

[TheDirtyH]

Yeah I'm impressed with the comments from him today. I find the contrast between how tight-lipped this regime has been to this point, with all of the sudden everybody and their mother having some major scoop about the team's culture coming right from the players' and staffs' mouths really obviously just the product of a major market team spiraling to the degree they have.

Look at this season realistically. Yes they were winnning to start, but anybody with eyes knew it wasn't sustainable. The whole conversation around the Rangers was how we have to pay this goalie whatever he wants because he's our entire team. That was while we were winning.

Did we start losing because Drury's 'memo' got leaked? Or were we already floating on the precipice--which is, after all, why the memo was sent in the first place.

Drury has spent three years catching shit for not making big changes to the structure of this team. He suddenly pivots, he astutely and impressively cleaves off two AHL level players making huge paychecks... I mean, if the Trouba thing was so sickening to everyone, why on earth would Igor resign at a number he'd previously, reportedly rejected? Same goes for Lafreniere who signs a big deal under market value despite "Playoff Warrior" Goodrow being treated so meanly.

I don't really care to comment on the culture of the team. I have no insight into it, I have no insight into who these people are, and I have little evidence to suggest most people commenting on all of this do either.

Trochek is very right: you want the band to stay together? play good hockey and win games. That simple. And frankly, this team hasn't done both of these things at once since the first week of October.

 

[will1066]

This is a reasonable take. But my understanding is the the internal memo was pretty extreme and seemingly out of nowhere. Players & staff have always considered themselves to be coworkers. There were strong relationships there, and it's part of what made the whole organization (as trite as this sounds) feel like a "family".

Imagine working at a company and then overnight hearing that Sales & Marketing are no longer allowed to talk to each other in the office or out of the office...it's very bizarre.



Ramsay was let go for no valid reason. Kreider and leadership were rightfully pissed off because someone who put in a ton of effort and was a such a critical part of the team and the culture for nearly 25 years was cast aside like a piece of garbage. I cannot imagine and healthy work-environment where that does not negatively impact the rest of the organization.

Really it boils down to this: do you believe a healthy work environment can bring out the best in your employees? Do you believe a toxic work environment can cause your employees to perform sub optimally (even if the employees themselves are trying to be as professional as possible)? Rest assured I've never been in an NHL locker room, but I cannot imagine any line of work where the above is not the case.

Who really knows why Ramsay was let go. I agree that you need a healthy work environment anywhere. But yeah, you work 25 years anywhere, you're bound to make a few friends, who will upset with you being let go.

"Imagine working at a company and then overnight hearing that Sales & Marketing are no longer allowed to talk to each other in the office or out of the office...it's very bizarre."
That isn't bizarre to me. I've witnessed people being let go immediately, and it was due to misconduct or some of kind company policy violation around impropriety.

 

[Ruggs225]

Its absolutely infuriating that our longest tenured ranger and”leader” is completely silent while bis play has been one of the worst on the entire team.

In what world is this ok. Why is the media not going after him or even trying to get answer's from him?

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

BTW, Trouba 5 GP with ANA, 0 points, -2.

Come on now give him some time to assimilate to the system lol