Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Vitto79]

Yes! How is Goodrow hurting his team?

Ducks and Sharks don’t care taking contracts cause they need leaders and have years before the cap will be an issue for them signing kids

 

[Machinehead]

Evgeny Kuznetsov points to Capitals’ hiring of Peter Laviolette for downturn in team: ‘You brought a coach who almost didn’t fit our style’

Evgeny Kuznetsov held his first press conference with Capitals media on Thursday, the first day of Capitals Training Camp. There, he seemed…

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Apparently, Kuznetsov could have just told him "no, I don't feel like forechecking."

I'm basing that off of watching Lavi's entire tenure with the Rangers.

 

[noupf]

Sean Avery flying in to speak with James Dolan.....

2:28:30 LOL

 

[McRanger92]

I dont know what more to tell you. Did you miss the Friedman report stating players around the league took notice of how Drury treated Goodie? To the point that they now want to discuss it during the next CBA session.

The players union wants to discuss it? Yeah, they want to discuss it because it's a completely legal contract loophole that works against them. They can seethe all they want but it was clean shot and a very smart roster building move that Drury took to offload Goodrow and Trouba. The team's 2 biggest problems by a mile, by the way.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I dont know what more to tell you. Did you miss the Friedman report stating players around the league took notice of how Drury treated Goodie? To the point that they now want to discuss it during the next CBA session.

You could tell me what you think Drury could have done to conduct business "more respectfully"...

Don't really give a ton of weight to the media making a big deal about an NYR transaction (shocker) and players "taking notice" (whatever that means)...

 

[bhamill]

I dont know what more to tell you. Did you miss the Friedman report stating players around the league took notice of how Drury treated Goodie? To the point that they now want to discuss it during the next CBA session.

What are they going to discuss? A M-NTC, NTC and a NMC are all different distinct things that they can negotiate for in their contracts, RIGHT NOW. Zibs gave up money for NMC all the way. Igor just negotiated for it as well. What do these guys want considerations that they don't have to make any concessions for?

 

[IDvsEGO]

I dont know what more to tell you. Did you miss the Friedman report stating players around the league took notice of how Drury treated Goodie? To the point that they now want to discuss it during the next CBA session.

you mean putting a player on waivers?

That’s an agent leaking something to Friedman, and absolutely nothing will happen.

There’s zero shady with the Goodrow situation. If there had been any further pieces moved between sjs and nyr there’s a case. There’s been zero moves since the waiver claim.
they have more argument for trouba, as it was closer to a “force to drop his ntc”

I’m usually on the players side for cba stuff.
But these arguments are so flawed it’s hilarious.

 

[LokiDog]

You can't tell me it tastes good without a twinge deep in your ribs that lets you know you're lying to me.

I absolutely can; just because you don’t have a taste for it doesn’t mean you should be so quick to dismiss one of the largest industries in the world. If no one enjoyed it, we wouldn’t make all the craft varieties and there would just be “beer” for getting a buzz. Maybe strong and light beer. But there wouldn’t be literally millions of flavors and varieties and hundreds of thousands of breweries able to support themselves and stay open in a saturated market. For someone who usually has pretty deep analytical takes on things, that’s a fairly lazy one. Don’t make me break out the charts. I worked in this industry; I’ve got the xgf% and corsi of every beer in the nation!

 

[bhamill]

The players union wants to discuss it? Yeah, they want to discuss it because it's a completely legal contract loophole that works against them. They can seethe all they want but it was clean shot and a very smart roster building move that Drury took to offload Goodrow and Trouba. The team's 2 biggest problems by a mile, by the way.

How is it a loophole? They can negotiate for three things: M-NTC, NTC or NMC. If they dont want to give concessions for the NMC then they can be waived/demoted.

 

[Machinehead]

I absolutely can; just because you don’t have a taste for it doesn’t mean you should be so quick to dismiss one of the largest industries in the world. If no one enjoyed it, we wouldn’t make all the craft varieties and there would just be “beer” for getting a buzz. Maybe strong and light beer. But there wouldn’t be literally millions of flavors and varieties and hundreds of thousands of breweries able to support themselves and stay open in a saturated market. For someone who usually has pretty deep analytical takes on things, that’s a fairly lazy one. Don’t make me break out the charts. I worked in this industry; I’ve got the xgf% and corsi of every beer in the nation!

Hockey is a multi-billion dollar industry and that's another thing you can't tell me you enjoy!

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I don't know why you can't admit that what the Rangers did with Goodrow, while legal, is not common and therefore upsets the players. Goodrow scored 6 playoff goals en route to an ECF loss to the SC champion. Then he was unceremoniously waived. I think Drury did well from a cap perspective shedding Goodrow's contract without buying him out or giving up assets. But it's definitely not a normal situation and would certainly upset guys, particularly Goodrow.

Trouba is another story. Drury worked with him to find him a team, sure he may have threatened waivers but whatever, he could be waived.

The players themselves need to realize that the GM is doing this because he wants to win, and they should also want to win. The solution is to PLAY BETTER, not to band together in protest with 75% effort.

That being said, from a management perspective, you have to galvanize your employees towards a common goal to get success. If all the employees hate their boss, they are not getting max effort. So there's a fine line here that should be threaded by Drury where he needs to clear the air and get everyone on the same page and treat them like adults instead of treating the like assets. I really believe he's the only one that can fix it and he needs to extend an olive branch of communication.

 

[McRanger92]

How is it a loophole? They can negotiate for three things: M-NTC, NTC or NMC. If they dont want to give concessions for the NMC then they can be waived/demoted.

They see it as a loophole, i should say. I loved the move personally.

 

[Machinehead]

How is it a loophole? They can negotiate for three things: M-NTC, NTC or NMC. If they dont want to give concessions for the NMC then they can be waived/demoted.

They want it so that if you have a list of teams on a M-NTC, you can't be claimed by those teams either.

 

[will1066]

Evgeny Kuznetsov points to Capitals’ hiring of Peter Laviolette for downturn in team: ‘You brought a coach who almost didn’t fit our style’

Evgeny Kuznetsov held his first press conference with Capitals media on Thursday, the first day of Capitals Training Camp. There, he seemed…

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Andrei Nikolishin who has served as a Russian amateur scout for the team (per Elite Prospects), commented that it was old school hockey, but Kuznetsov disagreed with that assessment.

“I don’t know…If this is even a school,” he said.

LMAO

 

[LokiDog]

Hockey is a multi-billion dollar industry and that's another thing you can't tell me you enjoy!

Again, not true! The Rangers just aren’t the variety I like lately! I still consume lots of hockey!

 

[Fitzy]

Goodrow took us for every dollar he could get, didn't negotiate a NMC, and was waived.

I don't see how that is any shadier from a GM's chair than a player "holding out" because they did't like the non arbitration RFA qualifyer they got.

Goodrow, after taxes and agent fees, makes roughly 150,000 dollars a month. That's 5k a day. By my calculations, he can afford to buy approximately 10,000 of these mini violins to play for himself daily. He can even get one real authentic concert violin to lead the ensemble. Might only be able to get 2-3 a week as they're close to 5k new.

If that isn't enough, he can afford a copy of every single self-help book that has made the NY Times top 100 over the past 50 years, and still have leftover for 5-6 bottles of Johnny Walker Blue Label per day to drown his remaining sorrows.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/BERTDOMD-100-Sets-of-Xmas-Mini-Violin-Models-Desktop-Instrument-Adornments-Coffee/14068205164?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=102639754

We can figure out what Mika and Kreider can buy to alleviate their concerns next.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't know why you can't admit that what the Rangers did with Goodrow, while legal, is not common and therefore upsets the players. Goodrow scored 6 playoff goals en route to an ECF loss to the SC champion. Then he was unceremoniously waived. I think Drury did well from a cap perspective shedding Goodrow's contract without buying him out or giving up assets. But it's definitely not a normal situation and would certainly upset guys, particularly Goodrow.

Trouba is another story. Drury worked with him to find him a team, sure he may have threatened waivers but whatever, he could be waived.

The players themselves need to realize that the GM is doing this because he wants to win, and they should also want to win. The solution is to PLAY BETTER, not to band together in protest with 75% effort.

That being said, from a management perspective, you have to galvanize your employees towards a common goal to get success. If all the employees hate their boss, they are not getting max effort. So there's a fine line here that should be threaded by Drury where he needs to clear the air and get everyone on the same page and treat them like adults instead of treating the like assets. I really believe he's the only one that can fix it and he needs to extend an olive branch of communication.

Id argue Drury was driven to this. he wanted to make major changes in the summer and wouldve been able to do a lot with 12+ mil in free cap space. Trouba dragged his feet, and handcuffed the team from improving. When the team came into the season lacking motivation, was he supposed to let them float until his job was in jeopardy?

This was always going to be the time when the Rangers made changes between the cores. We all had the Trouba/Kreider NTC date circled. Now it's come and the players dont want to let go. And the fans get to suffer for it.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't know why you can't admit that what the Rangers did with Goodrow, while legal, is not common and therefore upsets the players. Goodrow scored 6 playoff goals en route to an ECF loss to the SC champion. Then he was unceremoniously waived. I think Drury did well from a cap perspective shedding Goodrow's contract without buying him out or giving up assets. But it's definitely not a normal situation and would certainly upset guys, particularly Goodrow.

Trouba is another story. Drury worked with him to find him a team, sure he may have threatened waivers but whatever, he could be waived.

The players themselves need to realize that the GM is doing this because he wants to win, and they should also want to win. The solution is to PLAY BETTER, not to band together in protest with 75% effort.

That being said, from a management perspective, you have to galvanize your employees towards a common goal to get success. If all the employees hate their boss, they are not getting max effort. So there's a fine line here that should be threaded by Drury where he needs to clear the air and get everyone on the same page and treat them like adults instead of treating the like assets. I really believe he's the only one that can fix it and he needs to extend an olive branch of communication.

I had no problem with the Trouba situation. They said "look, we're moving on" and eventually agreed on a partner.

They're gonna have to convince Zibanejad because they can't waive him.

Again, reminding him in every situation where we need a goal that "hey, we still need you" is probably not the best way to go about it.

 

[Ruggs225]

Its funny to me that in all of this Trochek is the one people cling on to.

What have he done to separate himself from the other vets? He has better players on his line and yet trails washed up vegan crybaby Zibanejad.

What gives?

He still shows emotion during the game. He tries to agitate. I dont think he is one of the people who have lead the revolt and gave up.

He seems like he still hcares. But that is just my opinion and observation.

 

[IDvsEGO]

They see it as a loophole, i should say. I loved the move personally.

And the league will laugh.
It’s not a loophole it’s a different contract structure. Players want nmc they can give up more money for them.

agents are likely lawyers, or have lawyers on staff reviewing the contract they’re 100% aware of this as an option.


This is “the rangers did something and it’s bad”

None of this is new to players or agents. Just us doing something so it’s “bad”

 

[Beer League Sniper]

This team's problem is 1000% leadership.

We don't have (and haven't had for quite some time) any leaders who are willing to get in each other's faces and make things uncomfortable when they're not playing well.

It's been the same platitudes by this group for years with no real accountability. Trouba would just get in some dumbass fight to try and fire the team up. Then, his post game comments were the same milquetoast quotes you'd hear from everyone else.

There's no one willing to call out individuals for their shit performance. It can't all be on the coach. There's no pride of ownership with this locker room because there's no consequences for bad play.

Fox is the king of eye-rolls.

Mika goes into an emo shell.

Kreider just acts like it's business as usual.

Panarin, for all his skill, absolutely refuses to change his play style when it's not working.

Lindgren obviously cares, but he's washed beyond belief.

Trocheck looks like he has shell shock.

These are our leaders. This shit wouldn't fly on almost any other team in the league. You'd have guys screaming at each other on the bench. Instead, we have players planning a mutiny against the GM because he jettisoned a couple badly underperforming teammates.

The fact of the matter is that these guys care more about maintaining the comfy status quo than they do about winning. Textbook definition of a country club atmosphere.

 

[bhamill]

They see it as a loophole, i should say. I loved the move personally.

I hear you. But the Players union has top flight lawyers and the agents are mostly top flight lawyers as well. I don't believe for a second this blindsided anyone. The ones who want a loophole are the players in this case: they want NMC protection without "paying" for it...

 

[IDvsEGO]

They want it so that if you have a list of teams on a M-NTC, you can't be claimed by those teams either.

That’s not how waivers work though.

They should negotiate for a nmc then.
The league isn’t going to touch this. It would absolutely screw bottom teams.

 

[Siddi]

The players union wants to discuss it? Yeah, they want to discuss it because it's a completely legal contract loophole that works against them. They can seethe all they want but it was clean shot and a very smart roster building move that Drury took to offload Goodrow and Trouba. The team's 2 biggest problems by a mile, by the way.

I dont disagree that their contracts needed to go. All I am saying is that the players are pissed and they want Drury gone. You cant fire 20 players but you can fire the GM.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Was Drury driven to sign Goodrow in the first place? Was he driven to bring Lindgren back on a one year deal? Was he driven not to include kakko a package to get Guentzal, was he driven to sign a goalie to the dumbest f***ing contract in the history of the league?