Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Machinehead]

I dont disagree that their contracts needed to go. All I am saying is that the players are pissed and they want Drury gone. You cant fire 20 players but you can fire the GM.

That is the old adage, and there's some truth to it, but to me, firing the GM kind of sets the tone that this was just a locker room thing, and that we should continue to augment basically the same team.

We should absolutely not do that. The locker room issues are secondary. The team isn't very good at ice hockey.

 

[haohmaru]

All of this sympathy for Goodrow - poor guy “suffering” in SoCal until he’s picked up by a contender at the trade deadline and gets to laugh at Drury all the way to the Cup finals.

You’d think this guy walked into Drury’s office with his helmet in his hand apologizing for having a whopping 4 goals last year and offering to take a pay cut to reflect his real value to the team.

He didn’t. People get laid off, let go, fired all the time without the courtesy of a conversation. That’s shitty management but it happens all the time.

 

[McRanger92]

This team's problem is 1000% leadership.

We don't have (and haven't had for quite some time) any leaders who are willing to get in each other's faces and make things uncomfortable when they're not playing well.

It's been the same platitudes by this group for years with no real accountability. Trouba would just get in some dumbass fight to try and fire the team up. Then, his post game comments were the same milquetoast quotes you'd hear from everyone else.

There's no one willing to call out individuals for their shit performance. It can't all be on the coach. There's no pride of ownership with this locker room because there's no consequences for bad play.

Fox is the king of eye-rolls.

Mika goes into an emo shell.

Kreider just acts like it's business as usual.

Panarin, for all his skill, absolutely refuses to change his play style when it's not working.

Lindgren obviously cares, but he's washed beyond belief.

Trocheck looks like he has shell shock.

These are our leaders. This shit wouldn't fly on almost any other team in the league. You'd have guys screaming at each other on the bench. Instead, we have players planning a mutiny against the GM because he jettisoned a couple badly underperforming teammates.

The fact of the matter is that these guys care more about maintaining the comfy status quo than they do about winning. Textbook definition of a country club atmosphere.

The pre-Letter Rangers bristled under the accountability Lundqvist demanded from the group. Once he was bought out, along with Staal and Fast. There has been a massive accountability and leadership void. Kreider passed on the job, and Trouba was a mercenary who became captain because he was the toughest guy on the team and he and his wife didnt mind planning the team's social events.

Where are the guys proud to wear a Rangers sweater every night? You can see 1 or 2 if you squint, but thats it.

 

[Mac n Gs]

All of this bullshit is just noise, and the hockey media is amplifying it because it's easy click material. It's the same shit they did with the Canucks a few years ago because they're a huge market and they know the fans will lap it right up. Drury ran the tightest ship with no leaks, and now all of a sudden you have clowns like Steve Dangle, who's only in his spot because he screeched louder than every braindead Leafs fan to relevancy, acting like they have insight into the locker room? Give me a f***ing break. It's so easy to spin this into an anti-Rangers narrative and act like Drury is the big bad meanie. Did he handle things perfectly? Probably not. Did he approach the players about waiving their trade clauses? Yes. Did he utilize avenues available to him to make moves to get rid of the bad players on the roster that were taking up significant cap space and providing negative value for the roles they were in? Yes.

I wouldn't mind seeing him fired either because I've commented before on how I think he's failed to fully build out an organizational philosophy where everyone is in sync from top-to-bottom on what their mission statement is. He's done an okay job, but he needs to do more. He didn't hire enough people with good track records of helping in these areas.

His major flaw was hiring Laviolette who had all of the massive warning signs flashing above his head from his time in Washington. Aging core that he couldn't get to buy into his system that ultimately just gave up and tuned him out. Same exact shit here, and now we're stuck at an impasse where we're a day late on moving guys that needed to be traded and locked into an Igor extension that'll just keep us mired in mediocrity.

Sorry if these guys have hurt feelings, but this is the business. Other teams can make trades and move out core pieces and survive. I don't know why our guys think otherwise when they haven't even earned the right to have a longer leash.

You want Drury to stop being "ruthless"? Stop playing like shit and show up for each other. Doesn't matter now because the noise is too loud and this is what predated Gorton and JD being shitcanned. All of that noise culminated into the Washington game where Dolan flew off the handle and axed everyone. We're not far from a similar point where he's going to step in unless Drury can convince him otherwise.

Leon Rose has been able to do all of his work without addressing the media, essentially blow up a young core, and put together a nucleus of prime-age players that'll have the Knicks in contention for a while. He got the right mix of person and talent too. Drury needs to do the same.

 

[Machinehead]

in SoCal

 

[IDvsEGO]

I dont disagree that their contracts needed to go. All I am saying is that the players are pissed and they want Drury gone. You cant fire 20 players but you can fire the GM.

until they do this again with a new GM because they’ve proven they have the power.

Drury hasn’t done anything other than moving poorly performing players.

There are 3 underperforming players who seem to be the issue. 1 has zero protection. 1 has a ntc, and 1 has a full nmc.

Doesn’t seem hard to move 3 players if they think they shouldn’t be giving 100% effort.

 

[McRanger92]

I dont disagree that their contracts needed to go. All I am saying is that the players are pissed and they want Drury gone. You cant fire 20 players but you can fire the GM.

Kreider and Trocheck cant block every trade. Start there before you reward the mutiny and fire the GM.

 

[bhamill]

They want it so that if you have a list of teams on a M-NTC, you can't be claimed by those teams either.

The people who negotiated this were top notch lawyers. I do not believe for a SECOND they didn't understand what they negotiated.
Since they are allowed to "modify" a NTC, who says a M-NTC can't theoretically contain that language already? Of course they'd have to give up more salary for the team to give up more of its rights to move you. I suppose the league would have to alter waiver rules. Once a player goes on waivers its out of the waiving team's power who claims the player. But again, they will need to give to get...

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

All of this sympathy for Goodrow - poor guy “suffering” in SoCal until he’s picked up by a contender at the trade deadline and gets to laugh at Drury all the way to the Cup finals.

You’d think this guy walked into Drury’s office with his helmet in his hand apologizing for having a whopping 4 goals last year and offering to take a pay cut to reflect his real value to the team.

He didn’t. People get laid off, let go, fired all the time without the courtesy of a conversation. That’s shitty management but it happens all the time.

No one feels sorry for Goodrow. He’s just another example of what’s wrong with this GM.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Listen, I’m fully on board with what happened with Goodrow because it benefitted the team

But anyone claiming that what happened to him is totally fine, I’m calling BS. If you were in the same situation where you didn’t want to work at a particular place, and your company conspired with a loophole to have you work there, you’d be pissed too. And so would the people around you who care about you

And the retort can be, well that’s what the money is for. Which is fine, but me and my co workers don’t have to be happy about it

 

[LOFIN]

Drury ran the tightest ship with no leaks, and now all of a sudden you have clowns like Steve Dangle, who's only in his spot because he screeched louder than every braindead Leafs fan to relevancy, acting like they have insight into the locker room? Give me a f***ing break.

Drury can run a tight FO if he wants, but he can't control what the players say...

 

[effen]

You can't tell me it tastes good without a twinge deep in your ribs that lets you know you're lying to me.

There are several varieties I drink purely for enjoyment and not for alcohol.

Sours are particularly fun.

 

[Kocur Dill]

The players union wants to discuss it? Yeah, they want to discuss it because it's a completely legal contract loophole that works against them. They can seethe all they want but it was clean shot and a very smart roster building move that Drury took to offload Goodrow and Trouba. The team's 2 biggest problems by a mile, by the way.

We need a 3rd party involved going forward.

The Paying Fans Association.

With ticket prices skyrocketing and players mailing in their careers with stugots money and total control of their position with a club, in a cap environment that hurts the fans more than anyone.

I think we deserve our own representation in these negotiations.

Unless the NHL wants to go the NFL root with Non Guarenteed Contracts. Then ill back off that stance.

 

[bhamill]

Kreider and Trocheck cant block every trade. Start there before you reward the mutiny and fire the GM.

Unless Trocheck is a problem in the locker room, which I wouldn't think is the case, I would rather he wasn't traded.

 

[IDvsEGO]

No one feels sorry for Goodrow. He’s just another example of what’s wrong with this GM.

Seems like people are using this as a revenge tour for the buch trade.

Drury is doing the right thing here. And people want him gone because they’ve proven still can’t get over that one bad move.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Right by the restroom to clean up after shitting their pants.

 

[McRanger92]

We need a 3rd party involved going forward.

The Paying Fans Association.

With ticket prices skyrocketing and players mailing in their careers with stugots money and total control of their position with a club, in a cap environment that hurts the fans more than anyone.

I think we deserve our own representation in these negotiations.

Unless the NHL wants to go the NFL root with Non Guarenteed Contracts. Then ill back off that stance.

Now you're speaking my language

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Id argue Drury was driven to this. he wanted to make major changes in the summer and wouldve been able to do a lot with 12+ mil in free cap space. Trouba dragged his feet, and handcuffed the team from improving. When the team came into the season lacking motivation, was he supposed to let them float until his job was in jeopardy?

This was always going to be the time when the Rangers made changes between the cores. We all had the Trouba/Kreider NTC date circled. Now it's come and the players dont want to let go. And the fans get to suffer for it.

I can't disagree about Trouba. But the Goodrow thing was not just a normal move that is usually made. I can see him and his friends being upset about that. I still don't blame Drury, I think that was a salary cap masterclass.

 

[Machinehead]

The people who negotiated this were top notch lawyers. I do not believe for a SECOND they didn't understand what they negotiated.
Since they are allowed to "modify" a NTC, who says a M-NTC can't theoretically contain that language already? Of course they'd have to give up more salary for the team to give up more of its rights to move you. I suppose the league would have to alter waiver rules. Once a player goes on waivers its out of the waiving team's power who claims the player. But again, they will need to give to get...

It's not to say that they didn't understand what they negotiated but no set of rules is perfect. That's why they continue to negotiate every so often.

A lot of these negotiations consist of things that happened since the last one where either side will say "gee, I don't want that to happen again."

Yes, they would be altering waiver rules. I don't see them getting it, but they'll probably use it as a chip to get something.

 

[McRanger92]

I can't disagree about Trouba. But the Goodrow thing was not just a normal move that is usually made. I can see him and his friends being upset about that. I still don't blame Drury, I think that was a salary cap masterclass.

Yeah that's my thing about the situation. Drury isnt a perfect GM, but I cant side with the players here when he made moves all of us fans loved. The players are compensated very fairly. They need to grow up.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Looks like they went out for the night in Nashville. The one time I was there was 2018, I think the rumor was JT Miller was out most of the night, probably other players were too.

The question is, did anyone hit the board or were they throwing darts at pictures of Drury?

Doing their best impression of Johnny Cash wearing all black in unison was a nice touch.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Who are these mythical problems in the room? The cancers as some here say? Because you can’t choose to only believe half of what Dingle says. Are they super tight room looking out for one another or are they a bunch of drunken pirates f***ing off all the time?

 

[Machinehead]

We need a 3rd party involved going forward.

The Paying Fans Association.

With ticket prices skyrocketing and players mailing in their careers with stugots money and total control of their position with a club, in a cap environment that hurts the fans more than anyone.

I think we deserve our own representation in these negotiations.

Unless the NHL wants to go the NFL root with Non Guarenteed Contracts. Then ill back off that stance.

Are you advocating for social ownership of the means of production?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Seems like people are using this as a revenge tour for the buch trade.

Drury is doing the right thing here. And people want him gone because they’ve proven still can’t get over that one bad move.

I want him gone because I don’t think he’s up for the job.

 

[Siddi]

until they do this again with a new GM because they’ve proven they have the power.

Drury hasn’t done anything other than moving poorly performing players.

There are 3 underperforming players who seem to be the issue. 1 has zero protection. 1 has a ntc, and 1 has a full nmc.

Doesn’t seem hard to move 3 players if they think they shouldn’t be giving 100% effort.

How do you know that it is only them? Is because you dont like them?

Hint: Its the whole team.