Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Killem Dafoe]

Holy shit is anyone getting the Moonbug Blippi ad? It's annoying af all.

Ew f*** Blippi

 

[McRanger92]

They are truing to Ruin Drury’s Christmas. Kreider hasnt forgotten haha

Someone's Christmas is being ruined and I wouldnt bet on it being Drury

Its honestly very funny to me that the team has been booed off home ice like 3 times in the past week and the player reaction is to blame management. Drury should be getting Fat Man and Little Boy ready for this locker room.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The indications we have are that such a conversation with Goodrow never took place.

Because we likely didn’t have a trade partner.
So why are we telling Goodrow anything.

We told trouba to give him a choice to increase our return.

again. Drury doesn’t report to the players. Goodrow was told a few minutes before.

Drury didn’t need or care about Goodrow dropping his ntc.
What conversation is required

 

[will1066]

Ew f*** Blippi

The ad has a starving actor playing a live action Blippi.

Enjoy that image in your head for the rest of today.

 

[Machinehead]

Because having a conversation before worked out so swimmingly with Trouba. Goodrow is just butthurt he couldnt take the buyout money and sign back with the Lightning for 700K. Why the f*** are the rest of the players ruining a season over it?

The episode with Goodrow had already set a bad tone. Again, I think we're being disingenuous pretending that was business as usual. Even if you took the position of "that's what we did, too bad," at least it's honest and sends the message to the rest of the room that they're in trouble, which they should be. To say "what? All Drury did was make a hockey move!" is extremely weak.

And all in all, I think too much is being made of this morale situation. Now the narrative is that the players are intentionally tanking the season as punishment.

They suck. At hockey. Let's not lose sight of that.

 

[LOFIN]

What Drury did with Goodrow and Trouba should be totally irrelevant in this discussion. If the players lose their shit over his actions and it shows on the ice, it's on those players to ask for a f***ing trade to a different setting.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Goodrow was waived to be claimed by a team for the GM to get out of the M-NTC. You can call it black and white, but it was a shitty move, and one that took place without even communicating with Goodrow.

I'd be all for just kicking Drury to the curb if I thought this team could get it done with the core, but I really don't think they can, even if some turn around happens. So it's probably better to just get rid of them.

He didn't "get out of the M-NTC" because a trade was not completed. If the Sharks subsequently traded a 4th to the NYR for Future Considerations, that would be a different story.

He was allowed to be waived and he was waived. I truly don't understand the outrage, it's a standard transaction.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

The ad has a starving actor playing a live action Blippi.

Enjoy that image in your head for the rest of today.

You want a better image in your head? Look up what videos Blippi made before he was Blippi.

I apologize in advance.

 

[Siddi]

The episode with Goodrow had already set a bad tone. Again, I think we're being disingenuous pretending that was business as usual. Even if you took the position of "that's what we did, too bad," at least it's honest and sends the message to the rest of the room that they're in trouble, which they should be. To say "what? All Drury did was make a hockey move!" is extremely weak.

And all in all, I think too much is being made of this morale situation. Now the narrative is that the players are intentionally tanking the season as punishment.

They suck. At hockey. Let's not lose sight of that.

Call me Bern but I honestly feel that this is what will galvanize the team. Canyon of heroes here we come.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The episode with Goodrow had already set a bad tone. Again, I think we're being disingenuous pretending that was business as usual. Even if you took the position of "that's what we did, too bad," at least it's honest and sends the message to the rest of the room that they're in trouble, which they should be. To say "what? All Drury did was make a hockey move!" is extremely weak.

And all in all, I think too much is being made of this morale situation. Now the narrative is that the players are intentionally tanking the season as punishment.

They suck. At hockey. Let's not lose sight of that.

Please elaborate on how waiving an NHL player that does not have a NMC is not standard GM fare. If he waived Nemeth instead of attaching two 2nds, is that now some underhanded shady move?

 

[IDvsEGO]

The episode with Goodrow had already set a bad tone. Again, I think we're being disingenuous pretending that was business as usual. Even if you took the position of "that's what we did, too bad," at least it's honest and sends the message to the rest of the room that they're in trouble, which they should be. To say "what? All Drury did was make a hockey move!" is extremely weak.

And all in all, I think too much is being made of this morale situation. Now the narrative is that the players are intentionally tanking the season as punishment.

They suck. At hockey. Let's not lose sight of that.

And Drury is calling them out for it.
And the players have a simple answer for this.
Play better.
It’s entirely an effort thing with most of them.

Their defensive metrics are shit because they’re not trying.
Drury isn’t the one going out there and not winning puck battles.

I’d rather Drury make the moves he’s made because he’s clearly showing “this level of play is unacceptable “
Which is what we all think.

Why is anyone taking the side of players who aren’t performing up to their contracts.

Drury doesn’t report something to violate the cba , I will 100% back the players: till then play better.

 

[I Eat Crow]

As we keep hearing reports that the players are unhappy, I'm just like no shit? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

All the more reason for the core group of players to go. The bridge is burned.

And no, I'm absolutely not firing Drury to make them "happy" again, so they can play better. They suck.

If what I read this morning is true, I honestly think I'm done with this team until this core group of players is traded. A bunch of players that think they're bigger than the club.

Drury should get a statue outside of MSG commissioned if he can unload this bunch of spoiled brats in the next 18 months.

 

[will1066]

You want a better image in your head? Look up what videos Blippi made before he was Blippi.

I apologize in advance.

 

[McRanger92]

The episode with Goodrow had already set a bad tone. Again, I think we're being disingenuous pretending that was business as usual. Even if you took the position of "that's what we did, too bad," at least it's honest and sends the message to the rest of the room that they're in trouble, which they should be. To say "what? All Drury did was make a hockey move!" is extremely weak.

And all in all, I think too much is being made of this morale situation. Now the narrative is that the players are intentionally tanking the season as punishment.

They suck. At hockey. Let's not lose sight of that.

No one really believes this except you. There are flaws on the roster, sure, but saying "they suck and always have" just seems like absolving you of having to acknowledge that the locker room chemistry and leadership/intangible stuff you've always said doesn't matter, is an actual issue. Because it obviously is

Vegas, Florida, Tampa Bay have all done very similar gray area stuff like this. So it kinda is business as usual in the modern NHL.

 

[bhamill]

The players feel like it was handled the wrong way because unusual tactics were used.

Waiving Goodrow to get around his NTC and threatening to do the same with Trouba was hardly business as usual.

I could give Drury a pass with Trouba, because he didn't sign the contract, and was forced to do whatever necessary to get out of it. He did sign Goodrow's contract and then basically turned around and fired him, after a very good postseason, let's not forget. I would be upset too. Everyone in that room has to feel pretty unsafe.

Now I know people will look at some of the guys they want to get rid of and say "based," but they're real people and this is their real job. There's a difference between accountability and mismanagement. There's a difference between scratching a guy, and going around a clause that he negotiated.

That's not to absolve this group of anything they've done. The team sucks and plays a grabass brand of hockey. That being said, I don't think there's any group of players that would be happy with this.

Again, I think Goodrow is the smoking gun. If it were a bunch of guys where Drury said "oh well, this isn't my team," he probably gets a pass for that. He went out and signed Goodrow himself.

Like I said, hate this group all you want, but not one group of players under the sun would be happy with that move.

Yes its their REAL job... that they were doing SO badly that getting rid of them was addition by subtraction. If a team is willing to waive you, to get nothing in return for you, just to get rid of you, maybe you should look in the mirror... You are doing your real job VERY badly.
And IMO, waiving someone, without something coming back of course, is NOT getting around a NTC. It's merely exercising the contractual right of the TEAM to waive/demote you for poor performance. No different from a player refusing a trade they contractually do not have to accept.

 

[will1066]

Call me Bern but I honestly feel that this is what will galvanize the team. Canyon of heroes here we come.

The kids will come out of this at the other side stronger. Let them experience this shit as a lesson learned for later in their primes.

 

[Siddi]

Please elaborate on how waiving an NHL player that does not have a NMC is not standard GM fare. If he waived Nemeth instead of attaching two 2nds, is that now some underhanded shady move?

It is not about that. Tecnically Drury did nothing wrong but there is ways to conduct business respectfully that wont lead to the entire team quitting on you.

 

[Ruggs225]

Someone's Christmas is being ruined and I wouldnt bet on it being Drury

Its honestly very funny to me that the team has been booed off home ice like 3 times in the past week and the player reaction is to blame management. Drury should be getting Fat Man and Little Boy ready for this locker room.

Oh as much as i cant stand Drury, i am fully in his corner for this one.

Kreider needs to go ASAP as the leader of the country club and fake leadership association.

and if he starts bitching about his back to worsen his trade value i simply put him on LTIR and let him stew. f*** him.

Then i get rid of lindgren.

Finally j talk with Zibs about where he would accept a trade to. I eat 50% of the contract to facilitate and get something in return.

Then i talk panarin and see if he wants to stay and or not and give him his request.

Finally i talk to trochek and see if he wants to stay and lead this team, or go pursue a cup. I grant him his wish.

Miller gets traded in offseason to complete.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yes its their REAL job... that they were doing SO badly that getting rid of them was addition by subtraction. If a team is willing to waive you, to get nothing in return for you, just to get rid of you, maybe you should look in the mirror... You are doing your real job VERY badly.
And IMO, waiving someone, without something coming back of course, is NOT getting around a NTC. It's merely exercising the contractual right of the TEAM to waive/demote you for poor performance. No different from a player refusing a trade they contractually do not have to accept.

This!

The players complaints are just “we didn’t want to lose goody” ignoring his on ice play.

The players are 100% in the wrong here and are trying to blame Drury for it.
I don’t think Drury is a world class gm but this was one way to galvanize me to get him an extension now to send a message to the players.

 

[JimmyG89]

Looks like they went out for the night in Nashville. The one time I was there was 2018, I think the rumor was JT Miller was out most of the night, probably other players were too.

The question is, did anyone hit the board or were they throwing darts at pictures of Drury?

 

[Siddi]

The kids will come out of this at the other side stronger. Let them experience this shit as a lesson learned for later in their primes.

Oh I meant this season! I am going full crazy!!!

 

[LOFIN]

There's a reason Friedman said a lot of players have been alerted by the Goodrow and Trouba moves around the league, and are possibly looking to alter the CBA regarding these clauses when the negotiations get going. It was not "business as usual" done by Drury, and I have no doubt that players around the league feel that was a bit shady.

But like I said, it should be totally irrelevant in this discussion. If the players lose their motivation to play for the Rangers because they dislike the GM, then said players need to go. The whole lot of them, if it is every player in that room.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Having a deal in place with your buddy who's the GM of a team on a player’s no trade list is shady. And lazy. And reeks of spoiled brat syndrome. This doesn’t give players the right to quit on their team (there’s really no proof they have) though. Maybe Goodrow was a bigger part of the room than people want to admit. Maybe Chris shouldn’t give a goalie with a sub .9 save percentage the highest contract in the history of goalies too.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

It is not about that. Tecnically Drury did nothing wrong but there is ways to conduct business respectfully that wont lead to the entire team quitting on you.

Such as? Giving him a phone call to say "Hey Goody I'm waiving you"? That's somehow a black mark against Drury and not players who are "quitting" on their teammates, the organization, and the paying customers because of a standard hockey transaction?

 

[LOFIN]

Mika and Kakko throwing there, how many of the darts actually hit the dartboard?