Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Shesterkybomb]

We're still blaming Drury for Kravstov and Lias eh? 2 entitled players who didnt work hard enough to amount to anything elsewhere. Drury was "mean" but he was right. You're completely projecting his involvement with Kakko's poor development. Drury resisted trading kakko for guys who wouldve obviously helped us like Guentzel.

And the bolded statement here kills me. Drury doesnt know how to run a team in the 2020s? Why? Because the players bristle when faced with accountability? Id argue the players are the one's out of touch with how the world works. This organization has had 0 accountability for their constant playoff failures. The Gm can't offload players even if its contractually league, but the players can block trades through threats when they dont like it. Unprofessionalism is rampant in the Rangers locker room. I dont even think Drury is some great GM but he's not the guy you should have the gun pointed at.

I mean we had a 2nd overall pick that was thought of as a guaranteed superstar player and we just scratched him. We had Lias Andersson, the captain of Sweden and Kravtsov the young skilled star of the KHL. 1 of these failing is possibly expected, 2 of them is strange, all theee of them, come on you can't believe that all three of these players would have failed in another organization. People forget how highly Kakko was considered as a player coming into the draft, a goal scorer with a good frame who works hard, we have diminished him to a player we could effectively replace with Vesey without much loss.
If you think it's the GM's job to be coming down and getting in the faces of 18 year old kids in a new country and calling that development, it's not. My guess is his act has continued into this team, and the players are paid to much and have guaranteed contracts , imo they don't want to listen to his bullshit anymore and have decided not to help him stay around. He doesn't know how to gm a current nhl team and it will cost him his job.

 

[IDvsEGO]

People are still treating the Goodrow situation as "just a move." It was clearly a work-around, let's be honest. And it was a corner that Drury himself painted himself into. You could have just not brought the guy in.

We're kind of stuck with him now for better or worse, because at least this untenable situation will force change if Drury gets his way.

I've always said the same thing about Drury and nothing has changed. Gorton did most of the damage but Drury has done nothing to inspire confidence.

if it was a workaround to a trade, show me where we sent anything to sjs for the claim?
We likely checked around if anyone was interested. San Jose said they were.
We put him on waivers.

Doing research ahead of time isn’t a workaround, it’s smart business.

 

[Lion Hound]

This isn't accurate.

Nobody "enjoys" beer.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I mean we had a 2nd overall pick that was thought of as a guaranteed superstar player and we just scratched him. We had Lias Andersson, the captain of Sweden and Kravtsov the young skilled star of the KHL. 1 of these failing is possibly expected, 2 of them is strange, all theee of them, come on you can't believe that all three of these players would have failed in another organization. People forget how highly Kakko was considered as a player coming into the draft, a goal scorer with a good frame who works hard, we have diminished him to a player we could effectively replace with Vesey without much loss.
If you think it's the GM's job to be coming down and getting in the faces of 18 year old kids in a new country and calling that development, it's not. My guess is his act has continued into this team, and the players are paid to much and have guaranteed contracts , imo they don't want to listen to his bullshit anymore and have decided not to help him stay around. He doesn't know how to gm a current nhl team and it will cost him his job.

Anderson draft and failing was on gorton entirely.
Kratsov was on kratsov. Talented but zero work ethic.

We no longer have that scout in our organization so Drury fixed that issue.

 

[Guyute]

By no means am I Drury's biggest fan, but:

1) TDA had an altercation with our goalie at the end of a game, which was the last straw for him. Apparently there were other times he acted out of line. They had to get rid of him.
2) Goodrow wasn't performing up to the value of his contract. He had multiple years left at $3.6 and Drury needed room to re-sign Igor and Laf to big extensions. Getting rid of Goodrow's contract was always going to happen. It was perfectly within Drury's rights to place him on waivers.
3) Drury reportedly did NOT leak the botched Trouba trade last summer. Someone else spilled the beans (Yzerman maybe?). Trouba became a lame duck captain and a move needed to happen sooner than later. Again, not necessarily Drury's fault.

I understand it sucks to see your friends go to shittier situations, especially after making the conference finals twice over the past several seasons. However, this is a business and tough decisions are made all of the time. Mutinying against management for these moves is ridiculous.

 

[Siddi]

I'm not buying it. They've shown themselves to be a bunch of entitled jerk offs. These sorts of things happen. I'm sure any team wouldn't love it, but they are being uniquely irrational about it. Tampa Bay did the exact same thing with Ryan McDonagh, who's 10x the player Goodrow or Tuba will ever be. They told him, we need cap space and unfortunately we need you to waive your NTC or you're being put on waivers. It's not personal. They loved McDonagh, they just traded to bring him back. Its all about the cap. Goodrow was a good soldier for us. It's business. We couldn't afford him. Did Tampa Bay throw a tamper tantrum and cry to the world when McDonagh had to go?

... it's just our pathetic country club atmosphere.

Not the same thing. Drury did what he did behind Goodies back.

 

[Machinehead]

if it was a workaround to a trade, show me where we sent anything to sjs for the claim?
We likely checked around if anyone was interested. San Jose said they were.
We put him on waivers.

Doing research ahead of time isn’t a workaround, it’s smart business.

Right, it was just a normal move, and people got mad over absolutely nothing.

 

[Cusedog]

Bunch of crybabies. Was Trouba “ruthless” because he did what was best for himself and not the team? Goodrow? Drury might’ve been cold blooded but, if the Goodrow situation outlined anything, it’s that he had to be.

This isn’t Drury’s team. He’s been hamstrung with this pack of fools since the Gorton days who left him with very little flexibility to do much of anything. What’s the number now? 17/21 players are players Gorton had a hand in being here? Same bunch of Prima Donna’s that have already quit on multiple Coaches and management? Drury is right to collapse this house of cards.

Screw this group. Instead of saying “eff you, Chris, we’ll show everyone how good we are” they come to collect a paycheck in silent protest with no effort

Screw this team. Blow it up, Chris.

Good Post. Many thought Drury would trade away the youth in this organization - he did not. He has hung on to their 1st round draft picks with an eye on the future.. He has been better at finding talent with limited draft capital than his predecessors.
In other words - he has attempted to navigate around what he inherited to bolster the team to win a cup. Now the warranty has run out on this core and it is time to dismantle this shipwreck.

 

[Lion Hound]

My coworker has been a season ticket holder since the 70s and after watching this cluster f*** already told his sales rep he's cancelling next year and joining a country club.

Cant blame him. Its infuriating. I would imagine its a tough sell right now for MSG employees.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Not the same thing. Drury did what he did behind Goodies back.

I was unaware that Drury reported to Goodrow.

 

[McRanger92]

I mean we had a 2nd overall pick that was thought of as a guaranteed superstar player and we just scratched him. We had Lias Andersson, the captain of Sweden and Kravtsov the young skilled star of the KHL. 1 of these failing is possibly expected, 2 of them is strange, all theee of them, come on you can't believe that all three of these players would have failed in another organization. People forget how highly Kakko was considered as a player coming into the draft, a goal scorer with a good frame who works hard, we have diminished him to a player we could effectively replace with Vesey without much loss.
If you think it's the GM's job to be coming down and getting in the faces of 18 year old kids in a new country and calling that development, it's not. My guess is his act has continued into this team, and the players are paid to much and have guaranteed contracts , imo they don't want to listen to his bullshit anymore and have decided not to help him stay around. He doesn't know how to gm a current nhl team and it will cost him his job.

Are the Rangers special for having top 10 picks turn into busts? Andersson and krav were picked by a completely different GM and scouting director (Bobrov, who everyone on this board pretty much agrees is a moron). Do I think Kakko was mishandled early on? Yes, but again, that was Quinn playing him on the 3rd line and Gorton giving 20 million in cap space to wingers Panarin and Kreider despite having the 2nd overall pick.

Drury has attempted to augment a core that was in place before he got the job. There have been a mixed bag off moves. His best moves have been very good and his worst moves very bad. The win/loss record has been excellent during his tenure, firing him would not even be on anyones radar if the same roster was playing to standards it set over the past 3 years. The player's play on the ice has caused the turmoil. Not the GM.

 

[Siddi]

I was unaware that Drury reported to Goodrow.

Thats not how you conduct business. Especially if you are trying to rectify your own misstake.

 

[haohmaru]

Not the same thing. Drury did what he did behind Goodies back.

He owed Goodrow precisely nothing. Goodrow didn’t do Drury any favors either by saying he’s not going to San Jose.

Each party acted in their best interests. There’s no villain here.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Thats not how you conduct business. Especially if you are trying to rectify your own misstake.

And the team made it clear they weren’t happy about how it was handled.
And then Drury is upfront with trouba and Kreider, and he also handled that wrong…

Make this make sense.
They’re not upset at the “how” they’re upset at guys they liked being moved.
They just can’t vocalize that because it sounds worse.

 

[Machinehead]

By no means am I Drury's biggest fan, but:

1) TDA had an altercation with our goalie at the end of a game, which was the last straw for him. Apparently there were other times he acted out of line. They had to get rid of him.
2) Goodrow wasn't performing up to the value of his contract. He had multiple years left at $3.6 and Drury needed room to re-sign Igor and Laf to big extensions. Getting rid of Goodrow's contract was always going to happen. It was perfectly within Drury's rights to place him on waivers.
3) Drury reportedly did NOT leak the botched Trouba trade last summer. Someone else spilled the beans (Yzerman maybe?). Trouba became a lame duck captain and a move needed to happen sooner than later. Again, not necessarily Drury's fault.

I understand it sucks to see your friends go to shittier situations, especially after making the conference finals twice over the past several seasons. However, this is a business and tough decisions are made all of the time. Mutinying against management for these moves is ridiculous.

They let go of Ryan Strome who was very well-liked and nobody said anything.

I think it's disingenuous to believe nothing untoward happened with the Goodrow situation.

This core isn't beating the allegations on a lot of things. I refuse to believe that they're this mad because normal hockey moves took place.

 

[will1066]

Thats not how you conduct business. Especially if you are trying to rectify your own misstake.

To be fair, Dick Jones elevated Bob Morton to try his Robocop program, but when it got beyond Jones' control and Morton's influence on OCP eclipsed his, he fixed his mistake by eliminating him. Forever.

 

[Irishguy42]

Drury is the least of the teams problems right now.

 

[MrAlmost]

The reality of that rumor is they dont like Drury so they are punishing the rest of us until Drury changes or leaves.

Drury doesn't lose anything from their poor play and disinterested demeanor.

We do. We lose a lot. On the ice. Our pocket books. Our energy. Our desire to watch. When they are like this, it's not too dissimilar to how the fans feel and how they feel.

So if that is what they are doing, that's a tough pill to swallow. I can't really support that. The fans don't deserve it. Sam. Joe. Everyone else in the org that invests their time, money, commitment, etc..

Not good.

 

[McRanger92]

Thats not how you conduct business. Especially if you are trying to rectify your own misstake.

Tampa bay did it to McDonagh 2 years ago, saying they'd waive him to be claimed by CBJ if he didnt accept a trade to Nashville. It's only a mortal sin when the NY Rangers do it.

And McD is clearly not the pansy some of his former teammates are because he's right back in Tampa Bay now. No hard feelings.

 

[Machinehead]

Tampa bay did it to McDonagh 2 years ago, saying they'd waive him to be claimed by CBJ if he didnt accept a trade to Nashville. It's only a mortal sin when the NY Rangers do it.

The indications we have are that such a conversation with Goodrow never took place.

 

[Ruggs225]

Thinking about bringing these for warmups on Friday! View attachment 946584
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I think the herb brooks saying is better

“The name on the front of the jersey is a hell of a lot more important than the name on the back!”

 

[will1066]

Have you all asked yourselves maybe Drury wasn't a complete asshole to these guys at first but was pushed to become one? Because these guys had no accountability and were basically hermetic-sealed through two coaching regimes that they pushed out from the air lock?

I f***ING LOVE THE SCORCHED EARTH RIGHT NOW.

It was like they were the NHL version of Marvel thinking they were superheroes of pond hockey, admiring each other's diarrhea, relying on other-wordly goaltending to bail them out, and doing their own world-building. Their world is getting Thanos'ed.

 

[McRanger92]

The indications we have are that such a conversation with Goodrow never took place.

Because having a conversation before worked out so swimmingly with Trouba. Goodrow is just butthurt he couldnt take the buyout money and sign back with the Lightning for 700K. Why the f*** are the rest of the players ruining a season over it?

 

[Siddi]

To be fair, Dick Jones elevated Bob Morton to try his Robocop program, but when it got beyond Jones' control and Morton's influence on OCP eclipsed his, he fixed his mistake by eliminating him. Forever.

At least Morton went down as every man should. With hookers and cocaine.

 

[Ruggs225]

Because having a conversation before worked out so swimmingly with Trouba. Goodrow is just butthurt he couldnt take the buyout money and sign back with the Lightning for 700K. Why the f*** are the rest of the players ruining a season over it?

They are truing to Ruin Drury’s Christmas. Kreider hasnt forgotten haha