Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Clark Kellogg]

Tro basically said there was.

I’m pretty sure I posted that interview and I believe that Vince is not publishing the full quote.
Before Trocheck said that, I believe he first first said nothing was said in the locker room.

 

[mike14]

Drury to the players

 

[17futurecap]

I’m pretty sure I posted that interview and I believe that Vince is not publishing the full quote.
Before Trocheck said that, I believe he first first said nothing was said in the locker room.

Just went back and listened, Vince asked if anything was said between the 2nd and 3rd, what a tool Vince is combining the two lol.

 

[eco's bones]

I answered your ?s and I will not repeat doing so until you get the facts right.

You said:
"If Drury went to Zib and told him he would never play again unless he waived his NMC, the players association would be involved in a nano-second, they would be right to get involved, and they would win whatever complaint they lodged."
THAT is TRUE.
BUT that is not the official line
The official line is, since you are playing so piss poor, we cannot give you mins.
Show up for practice, and if, in coach's judgment, you are a better option, you can play; otherwise, you sit.
NHLPA may not like that loophole, BUT THAT IS LEGAL

so yr pt I did not present an effective reason is wrong

Again, ditching zib is addition by subtraction
half a bad loaf is better than a full bad loaf
ADMIT that is true

The rest of this, you want immediate gratification, instant answers
That is usually not an option
Life is usually complicated, not simple.
It will take more than 1 move
this IS the first step

pls give up the false notion zib is worth trying to keep
he is not

You yourself make this seem all so simple. Just cut Mika's ice time and he'll be begging to leave. You're all but certain. You're all but certain also then that freed from Mika Kreider's game will rejuvenate. You've never noticed it seems the almost unnatural affection between Chris and Mika. It's probably platonic but let's call it man love because it pretty much is. That separating these two will be tantamount to separating siamese twins. Fact is if you really want so badly to get rid of Mika moving Kreider is probably the thing you could do to get Mika to want out. Thing also is if Mika is traded Kreider might want out then right off. You've got this Raty f***ing guy walking into our lineup as our new 2C....and he's no great shakes. We'd probably get better results out of Brodzinski.

Applying our own rationale to other people and particularly other people we really don't know is almost always foolish. Cutting Mika's ice time won't necessarily make him want to go somewhere else or make a trade easier to happen. Vancouver having other Swedish players doesn't mean he's going to want to play there either. He's acclimated to North America rather well.....he doesn't necessarily need other Swedes around him. The one thing I'd almost agree on is that right now if he's not playing to a level of what a 2C is having him in the lineup as a 2C isn't workable. Losing him if he can't handle that role anymore is addition by subtraction whether we have an in house replacement for him or not but Aatu Raty is not it. Try harder.

 

[BleedBlueNYR]

I don’t have strong feelings about Drury but these players really make me want to side with him over them. I mean the fact that they’re all upset because he made an objectively good move in trading Trouba and is considering trading Kreider is ridiculous. This isn’t a beer league team where you get to play with all your buddies it’s a business where success is measured by winning.

 

[bleedblue94]

The next two games are kind of interesting. After the preds there are two days off before Dallas. The preds are brutal, if they lose there then those two days off will be interesting bc someone might be staying in Nashville after that game or scratched from the Dallas game if nyr doesn't want to immediately play against and give up goals to a former teammate. If it doesn't happen now then you're prob looking at the Christmas break to reset, and then after New Year's for the fireworks. It's going to be a circus

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

The hatred of drury in that locker room goes back wayyyyy before barclay goodrow.

Lindgren, fox and vesey in particular really did not like how things went down with TDA. Yes, I know vesey wasnt on the team at the time but all those guys are close. And they viewed it as drury maliciously trying to torpedo tda’s career with zero remorse when he just as easily couldve traded him.

Trocheck is also one of tonys best friends and while yes, he signed here after what happened with tony, he naturally came in skeptical of trusting drury as a person.

The thing is, guys like trouba and kreider didnt mind as much as they werent as close with tony. Now, drurys gotten that crew to hate him too so he really has very few allies left. It’s as toxic and it can get.

Either a good chunk of the vets are moved out or drury goes. This is nuclear

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The hatred of drury in that locker room goes back wayyyyy before barclay goodrow.

Lindgren, fox and vesey in particular really did not like how things went down with TDA. Yes, I know vesey wasnt on the team at the time but all those guys are close. And they viewed it as drury maliciously trying to torpedo tda’s career with zero remorse when he just as easily couldve traded him.

Trocheck is also one of tonys best friends and while yes, he signed here after what happened with tony, he naturally came in skeptical of trusting drury as a person.

The thing is, guys like trouba and kreider didnt mind as much as they werent as close with tony. Now, drurys gotten that crew to hate him too so he really has very few allies left. It’s as toxic and it can get.

Either a good chunk of the vets are moved out or drury goes. This is nuclear

Interesting...

Especially since this went down under Gorton, not Drury.

 

[17futurecap]

The hatred of drury in that locker room goes back wayyyyy before barclay goodrow.

Lindgren, fox and vesey in particular really did not like how things went down with TDA. Yes, I know vesey wasnt on the team at the time but all those guys are close. And they viewed it as drury maliciously trying to torpedo tda’s career with zero remorse when he just as easily couldve traded him.

Trocheck is also one of tonys best friends and while yes, he signed here after what happened with tony, he naturally came in skeptical of trusting drury as a person.

The thing is, guys like trouba and kreider didnt mind as much as they werent as close with tony. Now, drurys gotten that crew to hate him too so he really has very few allies left. It’s as toxic and it can get.

Either a good chunk of the vets are moved out or drury goes. This is nuclear

How could Drury have done that when Gorton was the GM?

 

[egelband]

What has Chris Drury done?

- Taken away no perks (we'd hear about that),
- Gave Goodrow a ridiculous contract and waived him after a 4 goal season
- gave Mika a ridiculous buyout proof contract
- Took care of Igor with another buyout proof contract
- Added as much as he could at every trade deadline
- Gave them a players coach after Quinn was uhh I dunno asking them to forecheck once in a while
- Gave them a detail oriented coach when the players coach was too lax
- Set it up so none of them had competition this training camp for their jobs

I fail to see what, exactly, could possibly be so upsetting after they played like they were quitting on the West Coast swing. Is their direct deposit late???

These guys are not brain surgeons. Or even married to brain surgeons.

 

[LokiDog]

Interesting...

Especially since this went down under Gorton, not Drury.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Interesting...

Especially since this went down under Gorton, not Drury.

It was 100000% drurys call on the tony stuff fyi. I can tell you this for a fact with inside knowledge

 

[egelband]

Doubt Kreider gets moved. Mika is totally unmoveable. No reason to move Panarin or Trocheck. Kakko is an easy target. Maybe he goes. But basically I think the end result is quite boring. The “core” will get over their pity party, play better, make the playoffs and lose in not the Cup Final. As usual.

 

[doomscroll]

The continued obsession with the DeAngelo/Georgiev incident is nonsensical considering TDA came out and took accountability for the whole ordeal this summer. Thinking that a group of professional athletes are tanking the season to spite the GM over something that happened to their dear precious close friend three years ago under a prior management group is bizarre fantasizing.

 

[Draft Guru]

It was 100000% drurys call on the tony stuff fyi. I can tell you this for a fact with inside knowledge

So it was the assistant GM, and the GM of Hartford, who made the call to waive Tony?

4:50 mark. Listen to the man in charge.



Vesey wasn't even on the team at the time. If he had such a problem with Drury, why would he sign a 2 year extension for league minimum?

Sorry pal. Not buying what you're selling.

 

[mike14]

The hatred of drury in that locker room goes back wayyyyy before barclay goodrow.

Lindgren, fox and vesey in particular really did not like how things went down with TDA. Yes, I know vesey wasnt on the team at the time but all those guys are close. And they viewed it as drury maliciously trying to torpedo tda’s career with zero remorse when he just as easily couldve traded him.

Trocheck is also one of tonys best friends and while yes, he signed here after what happened with tony, he naturally came in skeptical of trusting drury as a person.

The thing is, guys like trouba and kreider didnt mind as much as they werent as close with tony. Now, drurys gotten that crew to hate him too so he really has very few allies left. It’s as toxic and it can get.

Either a good chunk of the vets are moved out or drury goes. This is nuclear

If any of this is remotely true it really does cement this playing group as truly and completely unlikeable.
At that point you'd have to tear it down to the bedrock and start again

 

[bleedblue94]

Oh look, mainstream media is now reporting what I shared here 3 weeks ago. Enjoy folks...

 

[bleedblue94]

Regarding Vince, he has an axe to grind with Drury. Be cautious to distinguish he factual reporting on this situation and his analysis. One is neutral ish and the other is not.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

So it was the assistant GM, and the GM of Hartford, who made the call to waive Tony?

4:50 mark. Listen to the man in charge.



Vesey wasn't even on the team at the time. If he had such a problem with Drury, why would he sign a 2 year extension for league minimum?

Sorry pal. Not buying what you're selling.

1) I’m not really debating you/speculating, instead I am telling you

2) vesey came in on a pto and loves ny.

Again, not here for a debate, just stating a fact that I know with not 99% certainty but rather 100% certainty

 

[doomscroll]

1) I’m not really debating you/speculating, instead I am telling you

2) vesey came in on a pto and loves ny.

Again, not here for a debate, just stating a fact that I know with not 99% certainty but rather 100% certainty

The problem is that your claims don’t hold water and the most reasonable conclusion is that you are just making these things up because you’re a DeAngelo stan.

 

[Alluckks]

Tro basically said there was.

This is a Vince tweet following right after a game ended. They aren't hosting a players only meeting right after the game ends to bitch about Chris Drury. Use some common sense here people.


Daigle is not a source. He is closer to a juggling clown than he is an actual hockey insider source. You're better off posting Mike Commodore troll tweets.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

The problem is that your claims don’t hold water and the most reasonable conclusion is that you are just making these things up because you’re a DeAngelo stan.

Why dont you ask larry. Pretty sure they have an insiders chat where you can ask

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

Maybe the on ice performances are not intentionally bad. Players are distracted, concerned and upset and their hockey has gone to pieces. This shouldn’t make them all forget how to play competently, but when you have a lot of people unfocused maybe it has just spread.

If that is the case things will turn around fairly soon. A break over Xmas might be just what we need to let the guys get their heads right and understand the best way forward is to perform on the ice.

Whatever the truth is about the way we are playing, I’m totally unimpressed by Drury. A large part of good management is making the players feel valued and secure (why people here think that is bad I have no idea, let’s not forget they played far above their level last year and arguably for years with this core so do they get no credit for that?)