Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[McRanger92]

I’m still looking squarely at Alexandre Carrier and Tommy Novak. Both guys are underachieving and could be a boost to the team. Smith played with Marchessault in Florida and Vegas. Trotz may value bringing him in to see if they can spark their old chemistry and he gets some maneuverability moving forward.

Lindgren + Smith for Carrier + Novak



What does he want on his next contract? $5m? $5.5m?

I still think Provorov is the guy. He plays a gambling style of game but the Rangers just signed Igor to help cover that stuff up.

I dont know much about Carrier's game, but I think Novak is a good fit if he can defend at all.

 

[Machinehead]

Novak is good at everything.

 

[TGWL]

The future looks so bad when I see all the roster shake-ups being posted and think somehow we look like a worse team. You knew it would eventually happen when the core stopped carrying this team.

 

[McRanger92]

The future looks so bad when I see all the roster shake-ups being posted and think somehow we look like a worse team. You knew it would eventually happen when the core stopped carrying this team.

I actually think the future is very intact. Its the next 12-24 months that might be painful but there are paths through it.

 

[bernmeister]

Missed last night's game in favor of family time.

Playing Zibanejad less than any other game in his Rangers tenure. Good.

Bench Kakko even though he's been one of the few players playing well? BRILLIANT!

Assholes. Fire the lot.

only caught chunk of 3 period vs St Lou

need to see whole game in a wk when I have mo time
am interested in how Broberg looked.

Broberg w/w'o Holloway, what would Blues require?
til tom peeps

 

[Machinehead]

I actually think the future is very intact. Its the next 12-24 months that might be painful but there are paths through it.

They're not far off from being a fun, competitive team.

They just need to replace the current "top guys" with NHL players. That should be relatively easy.

To be a serious Cup contender, they need to replace the current "top guys" with actual top guys. That's going to require a lot of luck.

 

[will1066]

The future looks so bad when I see all the roster shake-ups being posted and think somehow we look like a worse team. You knew it would eventually happen when the core stopped carrying this team.

They could've done something about it by incrementally giving the kid corps more to do, so now that the vet core can't do it no more, the kids could start carrying. But they decided to ride the vets till they're now on fumes and last night we finally saw an inkling of the ice times being shifted toward the kids. Too little, too late. A day late and a dollar short.

What's worse is that Laf has picked up all of Panarin's perimeter habits.

 

[bernmeister]

The future looks so bad when I see all the roster shake-ups being posted and think somehow we look like a worse team. You knew it would eventually happen when the core stopped carrying this team.

And we can blame the win now crowd for this, because rather than edit here and there, they got married to this core long term
We will die with what we now live with due to listening to that crowd and not me

 

[eco's bones]

The Rs should move all vets we are selling first
re-assess
and only then see if CK is worth moving
status of his back is a factor
if it drives down price, silly to not hold and hope it can repair short term

just unloading him for whatever is bad GMing



Mere fact he is playing thru pain and not IR/LTIR shows he is trying,
And beyond effort, he cannot single handedly overcome Mika pulling down the others.

Let's be fair/objective.


NO. way too generous. Sit his sorry ass immediately.
It is justified by abysmal performance

then deal like I said
retained
to van
for
Raty, Juulsen, Forbot + cap dump Descharnais
DO IT NOW



Laugh all you like
he who laughs last laughs best
also
in hindsight, my track record PROVES I have been right after the fact about most of the shit for years.
What you got?
bupkis



we are 99% retaining on bread to facilitate deal
longer his term the better hus value > our return
deal him now if he wants off sinking ship and will go sooner than later

Mika, no I want that bastard gone yesterday, I will settle for NOW not off season




Dealing KK at reduced value now would also throw gas on the fire and be even worse asset mgmt


Acquire Raty as discussed, also Rempe here = 4th line C option = more pivot depth higher in the lineup
But giving KK time there, even as a stopgap, is worthwhile.



Marcel Dionne level of too past its prime for younger assets
fatally bad w/cap



At this pt just sucks. Next level sucking ass on the horizon

no one said to unload him for whatever. I wouldn't do that. Here's a guy who's averaged over 40 goals a season the past 3 years with over 120 NHL playoff games and almost 50 playoff goals. He's a known net front player playing for a somewhat friendly cap with not all that much term left. He should attract a lot of playoff bound teams for all of the above reasons. He should bring a nice return....potentially 2/3 very good prospects/picks including someone equivalent to a 1st round player.

keeping in mind as well if the Rangers are not making this year's playoffs which is seeming more and more likely he'll only have two years left to run before his term runs out. If we're again fighting for the playoffs next year....things are still bleak what would we need him for at all? Better to move on now. Bring in younger guys and fill holes in July's free agency. Our D IMO is going to need to be patched up for one thing if we're going to have any chance next year.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I wonder if something is up with the way this team manages health. Firing Ramsay out of the blue remains super weird.

Yeah that one is weird too. I can’t help but feel there is some lingering resentment from the older players that have been here on how that situation went down.

Every time we play Montreal there is video of guys like Kreider and Mika really embracing Ramsey. And yet the team hasn’t said a peep about him. The guy was with the team as long as I’ve been alive, and they’ve said nothing since he’s gone. No thank you videos, nothing

Players that had been here for 20 games have gotten videos, and the trainer that was here for 30 gets nothing? Something doesn’t add up

 

[bernmeister]

They could've done something about it by incrementally giving the kid corps more to do, so now that the vet core can't do it no more, the kids could start carrying. But they decided to ride the vets till they're now on fumes and last night we finally saw an inkling of the ice times being shifted toward the kids. Too little, too late. A day late and a dollar short.

yeah, I preached vs this by saying accept growing pains and vet turnover, but we stupidly went w/win now crowd

repeat after me, everybody
LEARN WITH DA BERN

 

[McRanger92]

They're not far off from being a fun, competitive team.

They just need to replace the current "top guys" with NHL players. That should be relatively easy.

To be a serious Cup contender, they need to replace the current "top guys" with actual top guys. That's going to require a lot of luck.

Not luck. They will have cap space to add, and the ability to make trades.

 

[Machinehead]

Not luck. They will have cap space to add, and the ability to make trades.

So they're just going to sign and trade for a new core group of elite players?

 

[bernmeister]

no one said to unload him for whatever. I wouldn't do that. Here's a guy who's averaged over 40 goals a season the past 3 years with over 120 NHL playoff games and almost 50 playoff goals. He's a known net front player playing for a somewhat friendly cap with not all that much term left. He should attract a lot of playoff bound teams for all of the above reasons. He should bring a nice return....potentially 2/3 very good prospects/picks including someone equivalent to a 1st round player.

keeping in mind as well if the Rangers are not making this year's playoffs which is seeming more and more likely he'll only have next year's rental season left to run before his term runs out. If we're again fighting for the playoffs next year....things are still bleak what would we need him for at all? Better to move on now. Bring in younger guys and fill holes in July's free agency. Our D IMO is going to need to be patched up for one thing if we're going to have any chance next year.

I think the common ground here is/should be
ditch all deadwood = Mika, Lindy, Vesey
then under performers
then sell high guys

and reassess
I have always maintained you sell high if there is enuf actual/potential profit

dealing CK now as a reduced asset based on rep who also = good contract is again win now foolish impulse desperation
see where he is down the road and, being in better shape, fetches better offers
DO NOT SELL LOW NOW

 

[McRanger92]

So they're just going to sign and trade for a new core group of elite players?

We already have an elite goalie and defenseman. Let our 1st overall pick actually play on the PP and you probably have a 90-100 point player on your hands. Chytil has elite talent. And yes, they will probably be in on elite free agents.

 

[Machinehead]

Kaprisov was 135th overall.

Why can't that ever happen to us?

 

[Machinehead]

We already have an elite goalie and defenseman. Let our 1st overall pick actually play on the PP and you probably have a 90-100 point player on your hands. Chytil has elite talent. And yes, they will probably be in on elite free agents.

They need a legit top center and the next one hitting the market is Eichel in 2027. That's going to have to be a trade.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Kaprisov was 135th overall.

Why can't that ever happen to us?

Lundqvist

 

[Tob]

PUT THEM DOWN! TAKE THEM OUT!

 

[Machinehead]

Lundqvist

Who cares about goalies?

Just once, I wanna take a dump and there's an elite forward floating in the toilet like every other team has done at least once.

 

[Mikachu93]

Who cares about goalies?

Just once, I wanna take a dump and there's an elite forward floating in the toilet like every other team has done at least once.

First rounder I know, but here's to hoping that will be Gabe Perreault

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

So they're just going to sign and trade for a new core group of elite players?

Igor + Fox + Laf + Cuylle + Schneider + Chytil () + Berard/Othmann/Perreault + the returns for Lindgren, Kreider, Mika, Panarin, etc.. + one or two of Ehlers/Connor/Rantanen/Marner/McDavid/Eichel/Boeser/Bennett/Kaprizov .. I'm not worried! Defense needs some work though.

 

[TGWL]

Not luck. They will have cap space to add, and the ability to make trades.

They don't have a lot of actual valuable assets when it comes to bringing a top player back, so it's going to take a little luck to hit it out of the ball park with the trades they do make. This isn't the offseason to pound your chest going into free agency with top forwards unless the top 2 make it to July unsigned with their current club.. There's some players coming up in 2026 that you can try to target before free agency, but I don't know that we have the right pieces to make those trades. So I think it will require some luck.

From a defense standpoint, you have some options with players who are going to want term, but for them to not be the new whipping boy, I think it's going to take more than just grabbing a defensemen with a decent rep.

 

[Machinehead]

First rounder I know, but here's to hoping that will be Gabe Perreault

I would be happy with that.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Kaprisov was 135th overall.

Why can't that ever happen to us?

C'mom dude. We used up our once in a generation diamond in the rough on Lundqvist.