McRanger92
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Laviolette will be occupying Tocchet and Berube's chair on TNT by the time the 4 nations rolls around.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)
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Laviolette will be occupying Tocchet and Berube's chair on TNT by the time the 4 nations rolls around.
If everyone is healthy?
Yes Vaak.
We have the player, we should try to figure out what he can and can’t do here.
We know what Lindgren is and if we have a better (and cheaper) alternative then that’s an easy solution.
Mr. Smarty Pants traded a first for Nils Lindqvist. He doesn’t get them all right.
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Remembering back to when Housely was hired, I made a point of noting he wasn’t well regarded as a position coach in Arizona. Ultimately he was forced out. Seems like nothing has changed.
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I dont think Nill is all that different a GM than Drury. Some Ws, some Ls. Ultimately hasnt gotten over the hump.
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I'd put a claim in for Dermott. His numbers are a little misleading. He was paired with Darnell Nurse for the majority of his time on ice. Anything away from him and he has been okay.
Worst case is he is a cheap depth LHD. With Miller getting hurt and no knowing the severity, you're down to Lindgren/Jones/Vaak. Might even help facilitate a move with Lindgren so you don't have to worry about having enough bodies on the backend.
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Nill had to deal with both Benn and Seguin on high priced, long-term contracts while neither was playing well. Despite that, they have remained competitive.
He and the coaches were willing to let the young guys run with it, and relegated Benn and Seguin to lesser roles. Thus far, Drury and Lavi haven't been willing to do that.
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There's still time for Drury to mandate that adjustment, but it would involve him firing Laviolette in all likelihood.
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Yeah, have the entire team play with some legs and a structure that works. It's not all on the actual defensemen. They won't be top in the league with the players they have on the back-end but it won't look like this. Instead, we'll probably make a trade, throw some assets at another soon to be whipping boy, while playing the same way.
He would. But that’s the level of player we’re talking about here.
If any top player becomes available, no team is better positioned to land said player than Minnesota. That system is pretty stacked and they’ve done it with out living at the bottom. Pretty impressive stuff minus Stramel over Perreault but no one is perfect.
can't award a like b'c the first sentence.
but that said, wholeheartedly agree w/second sentence, full ass measure >>> half ass measure.
Howev, in order to be up to acceptable bern snuff, we need to at worst balance vets for better vets, and even then there is a pref to invest in quality youth over vets in the first place
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I said it then, but the time to get Rossi was either last year or in the offseason when Guerin was shopping him for whatever reason. The underlying numbers were all obvious, the skill was there, the positional fit was there, and all he needed was the opportunity. There's no chance they're moving him now when he's fit like a glove between Kaprizov and Boldy
I think that's really unlikely.
Is Marco Rossi Destined To Become the Next Matt Dumba?
For the second straight offseason, Marco Rossi responded to the trade rumors swirling around him by making himself indispensable. In 2023, he trained hard to gain the speed and strength to propel him to his 20-goal, 40-point rookie season. After still having his name in the rumor mill this summer...
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This was an interesting article. It's been reported many times now for multiple seasons that Rossi has been on the block from Guerin. Idiotic to me, we can speculate why they may not trust him long term. Simply size? Or maybe the reports all this time is pure smoke and mirrors and they really love the guy. And like the article mentions, maybe he'll just be one of those guys where the trade rumors just consistently permeate but he never actually goes anywhere. I don't know, I'd take a gamble that there's gotta be some smoke there. They were likely floating his name around.
A couple seasons ago when they called him up to play on the 4th line, they certainly didn't prioritize him by any means. And up until Joel Eriksson Ek got hurt not too long ago Joel was the 1C there. He was getting the heavy usage, for better or worse. Rossi is just now filling that role. Ryan Hartman is back at center in Eriksson Ek's absence. He has some history with Kaprizov. They have some real solid center prospects in the pipeline.
So based off all these reports it's possible that Guerin & Co don't particularly value him the way others may.
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I hope that Vaakanainen turns out to be a pleasant surprise but I don't have a lot of hope. This year is his 7th knocking around the NHL with almost as many games in the AHL. He made it with Anaheim for an entire year last year. It's not a fantastic team there and judging by his offensive production he doesn't have much of a two way game. He's an RFA for 25/26 and a UFA afterwards. It may be that he's better than Mackey and it may be that he's not.
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If this is true, then they're dumber than I imagined any front office could be.I think that's really unlikely.
Is Marco Rossi Destined To Become the Next Matt Dumba?
For the second straight offseason, Marco Rossi responded to the trade rumors swirling around him by making himself indispensable. In 2023, he trained hard to gain the speed and strength to propel him to his 20-goal, 40-point rookie season. After still having his name in the rumor mill this summer...
This was an interesting article. It's been reported many times now for multiple seasons that Rossi has been on the block from Guerin. Idiotic to me, we can speculate why they may not trust him long term. Simply size? Or maybe the reports all this time is pure smoke and mirrors and they really love the guy. And like the article mentions, maybe he'll just be one of those guys where the trade rumors just consistently permeate but he never actually goes anywhere. I don't know, I'd take a gamble that there's gotta be some smoke there. They were likely floating his name around.
A couple seasons ago when they called him up to play on the 4th line, they certainly didn't prioritize him by any means. And up until Joel Eriksson Ek got hurt not too long ago Joel was the 1C there. He was getting the heavy usage, for better or worse. Rossi is just now filling that role. Ryan Hartman is back at center in Eriksson Ek's absence. He has some history with Kaprizov. They have some real solid center prospects in the pipeline.
So based off all these reports it's possible that Guerin & Co don't particularly value him the way others may.
Still don't think they deal him for anything short of an elite player.
And ergo, since he would not have made a dif, the smart move was NOT to splurge assets for him.
Fun possibly but not good biz sense, we dodged a bullet there.
Frederick as ufa = $ only is a discussion then, not for assets now, setting aside ? of what those assets should be
NO
no
KK + Miller worth more
and
Byram injury history [concussions] is to be avoided unless super cheap
1. No on Kreider unless maybe it is him + for McAvoy dep on the +
2. ANA wants way more for McT
I like KAM but I don't get these KAM for Byfield, KAM for McT overtures
3. No on Fowler, huge no
I realize this language can be off-putting but I'm sorry it needs to be said.
bern is entirely correct, the win now posture fails 99% of the time, it is based on desperation that cannibalizes assets and shortens our window.
That is a factually true statement.
Dolan and anybody else who thinks we can just throw one more log on the fire and everything will work out is sadly mistaken
There is a need to ADMIT bern IS RIGHT and the concept of 'win now' MUST and SHALL CONTINUE -- as track record demonstrates is the case -- to have to BEND, BUCKLE AND BREAK in capitulation to my approach, which is not 111% guaranteed (nothing is) and takes more time, but is reliable.
And that once again is BUILD with quality youth
start w/great drafting
Add good risk bets when opportunity presents
And for the love of all that is holy
STOP with crazy vet overreaches
I am sure there is exception to every rule, but that is the rule we will follow, eventually, or suffer the consequences of failure to do so
OTT is the club who will pay more
good young D Kleven
Pinto, Grieg
and better picks
for
Fox
worse picks
That would normally make some degree of sense but not here. Why? b'c reason to consider moving Fox, besides overpay, is that he will never improve his skating/speed. NEVER
A system change to accommodate this cannot succeed
Even if it masks the issue temporarily, ultimately truth prevails
The flaws in Fox's game are real, and will only get worse
Sell high
If there is a better system based on the merits of that system, that is something else
but let's not kid ourselves b'c we like a guy
til tom peeps
Speaking of buy low opportunities, what do we think StL will want for Broberg?
He has the physical tools, is young, like Robertson was not brought along properly at first, but now has put it together
not superstardom level, but can be competent and productive solution
lefty who plays the right side
before we ask on the big board, what are Blues' needs and can we offer currency of prospect Fs we are happy with to effect that?
He has the physical tools, is young, like Robertson was not brought along properly at first, but now has put it together
not superstardom level, but can be competent and productive solution
lefty who plays the right side
before we ask on the big board, what are Blues' needs and can we offer currency of prospect Fs we are happy with to effect that?
pls stop giving better pieces for lesser pieces.
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Sure sure sure. We should trade Igor and Fox for Juulsen and Raty though.
Cozens is good. Add Lindgren and get Samuelsson too. He is hurt a lot, but when he plays he seems capable.
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I follow the Wild as a second team, and honestly there's been signals that Guerin doesn't especially like the player for a while now. Idk why, small maybe.
As an aside, their beat guy on the Athletic (Russo) is up there with Aaron Portzline out of Columbus as one of the best reporters on the site.
woah, woah woah
Let's not misrepresent shit
Igor + for Byfield +
Fox for the package I said from Sens
Juulsen + Raty to get rid of and cap dump prob child Zib so we move on immediately
I don't mind objective criticism, but nothing out of context pls
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