Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIV: There ain't no gettin' off of this train we're on
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One of the big factors in looking for trade partners is understanding which teams are in win now mode. GMs on the hot seat etc. Edmonton and Calgary definitely fall in that category. Columbus, Florida and Dallas are maybes. San Jose and Los Angeles are not. When you are looking for dance partners, the teams in the win now (or else) mode constitute the teams most likely to use futures to pay for now performance. Some teams can simply not afford to keep missing the playoffs.
Another potential trade sets are teams with a glaring need. Who needs a veteran top 6 player who can compliment the to your current roster? That opens up another list of possible MZA destinations. As Tim Russert would say; “Florida, Florida, Florida”.
It’s all in the definition and the perception. The Bruins traded a low first (that they expected to be even lower) a roster player they deemed expendable (Spooner) and a prospect that the Rangers apparently like more than they did for Nash. The Rangers also took back a bad contract and 50% of Nash’s $. An MZA deal could end up looking like this.
Another potential trade sets are teams with a glaring need. Who needs a veteran top 6 player who can compliment the to your current roster? That opens up another list of possible MZA destinations. As Tim Russert would say; “Florida, Florida, Florida”.
It’s all in the definition and the perception. The Bruins traded a low first (that they expected to be even lower) a roster player they deemed expendable (Spooner) and a prospect that the Rangers apparently like more than they did for Nash. The Rangers also took back a bad contract and 50% of Nash’s $. An MZA deal could end up looking like this.
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Irishguy42
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Oh. Tilted Ice.
What was the source for that price? I am highly HIGHLY suspect of any rumor they put out.
What was the source for that price? I am highly HIGHLY suspect of any rumor they put out.
Ghost of jas
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Essentially, that's the return they got for Nash, so I'm not seeing some overwhelming premium the Rangers are asking for Zuccarello.
silverfish
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I think we have a pretty good opportunity to play 'garbageman' for the rest of the league and try to move in to the top-5. I'd see what Carolina is thinking about that 2OA and Darling right now. Would throw Pesce into that return, too, but that's getting out of hand and way into NHL 18 territory.
Montreal and half their team
Bobby Ryan and the 4OA
How much does Chayka value aging curves and what does he think of Goligoski right now? He had a rough year on the shot-attempt metrics side. Could we eat the Goli contract and get the 5OA without giving up 9? Doubtful, and at what cost do you move up 4 picks?
Would put all energy into talking to Carolina about the 2OA and walking out of this draft with Svechnikov.
Let's take out the trash
Montreal and half their team
Bobby Ryan and the 4OA
How much does Chayka value aging curves and what does he think of Goligoski right now? He had a rough year on the shot-attempt metrics side. Could we eat the Goli contract and get the 5OA without giving up 9? Doubtful, and at what cost do you move up 4 picks?
Would put all energy into talking to Carolina about the 2OA and walking out of this draft with Svechnikov.
Let's take out the trash
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SA16
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Goligoski is 32. Can't add him even as a cap dump. It'll drive up the teams average age. And he'll block [insert random prospect that's not considered top tier outside of the NYR organization here] from getting ice time.
Extra 5M seems perfect time to go add JT and Kovalchuk,
Extra 5M seems perfect time to go add JT and Kovalchuk,
silverfish
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You kids with your fancy digital watches, walkmans, a color tv’s.
What’s a podcast?
No I didn’t listen to it lol, which is why I asked.
Neither did I, nor do I care.
I know teams made offers for Zucc, but Gorts was too busy dealing McD and Miller at the deadline so the deal didnt go through.
It was a little bit of mismanagement on their part to not have their assigned values scored out where they couldn't make two deals at once, but hopefully Gorts learns from this and has his prices sort out in advance where he misses an opportunity due to his focus being diverted.
That would be a good exercise for the Rangers brass. To have their values assigned out prior to a prime transactional period. If he doesn't get his shit together when it comes to this next year, then the leash should get considerably shorter.
Kocur Dill
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Well this is all incorrect, so you don't have to worry about Gorton messing up deals. Two teams were interested in Zuccarello, but things didn't go very far because Rangers asking was too high. Again...listen to the podcast, this journalist is very well informed.
UAGoalieGuy
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If the cap does indeed go up to $80MM next season, Rangers would have about $30MM in cap space with 6 forwards (Zbad, Zucc, Kreider, Fast, Buch and Belesky) 4 defensemen (Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith and Pionk) and 1 goalie (Lundqvist).
Would like to see:
Some will be cheap ELC deals like Chytil and Andersson (or the like). Rangers could also free up additional space by trading Zucc and burying Beleskey.
Would like to see:
- Hayes get $4.5 for 5 years.
- Skjei $5 for 7 years.
- Names $4 for 3 years.
- Vesey $3 for 4 years.
- Spooner $3.5 for 2 years.
Some will be cheap ELC deals like Chytil and Andersson (or the like). Rangers could also free up additional space by trading Zucc and burying Beleskey.
Oscar Lindberg
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I don’t think Skjei gets more than 6 years
And there’s almost zero chance Vesey’s next deal isn’t a bridge contract
And there’s almost zero chance Vesey’s next deal isn’t a bridge contract
This is all assumptions. No one knows for sure that Gorton didn’t trade Zucc because he was tied up with the McD trade. Why is this constantly repeated on this site as if it were fact?
Oscar Lindberg
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Source? Probably not. I highly doubt that Gorton is discussing possible trades with the media.
Mac n Gs
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It was his interview pretty immediately after the trade deadline completed. I'll try to find the link
Lays
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At 15 we trade up a little to secure Farabee. Philly will take him if we don’t move up
Rangers offseason player evaluations: Mats Zuccarello
The McDonagh trade was made with one minute to spare.
If best offer for Zuccarello came in at the same time, how were the Rangers possibly making two big trades at the same time?
No source but I recall him saying that too. I think quite a few people here do.
I’ll leave it to one of those podcast listening youngsters to procure the evidence you’ve requested.
I’m 90% sure they can find it.
Edit: It’s been Foundidited by hfboards godfather.
Edit 2.0: Webster your posts have zero likes... Just ‘sayin.
Mac n Gs
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Honest question: is Gorton the only one allowed to call in a trade to the NHL registry? Could Drury have done it? I know bobbop said that we had something close with Calgary, but it couldn't materialize in time.
Ghost of jas
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HF has it's own impeccable group of sources, all of whom have been vetted. Plus, we have RB, who trumps all.
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