Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

[Cag29]

Its funny, I don’t remember Staal signing himself to that contract and also writing the checks.

While I agree Staal should be scratched and continue to be scratched, the nasty and distasteful disrespect of a longtime homegrown Ranger is out of control. Makes me think some of you just became Rangers fans 5 years ago. Because if you had been watching this team for even just the past 25 years, you would have a strong loyalty and appreciation for what Staal meant to this organization from the first game he played.

Staal has been and is a first class person!
He has had a great career as a Ranger facing tough injuries. I appreciate his efforts and wish him well.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Counter-point: If not, wouldn’t they have held a heck of a lot more value on the trade market if they where locked up?

With that said, TDA definitely long-term for me. Trouba? Nah...

It depends, some teams value having term because they can’t get guys, some teams value the flexibility of an expiring contract because they don’t have the cap space

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Counter-point: were they ever long term players to begin with?

If DeAngelo scores 50+ points this year, why should he not be someone we want here long term? That’s crazy.

 

[Trxjw]

Counter-point: were they ever long term players to begin with?

Yeah as much as I like DeAngelo and what he brings to the table, I can't but help think that the Rangers would love nothing more than for him to have a huge year and wind up as a premium trade piece. A huge investment in Trouba and Fox having a very good debut and two more years on an ELC likely means Tony isn't in the long-term plans.

I don't think that necessarily means he's gone this summer, but if the Rangers do get him signed to a contract extension, I'd be surprised to see him play out the deal in NY.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

If DeAngelo scores 50+ points this year, why should he not be someone we want here long term? That’s crazy.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t keep him, it just feels to me like the organization would be fine with moving him

 

[Leetch3]

It depends, some teams value having term because they can’t get guys, some teams value the flexibility of an expiring contract because they don’t have the cap space

and sometimes, in extremely rare occasions, the GM doesn't just get to tell the player what he makes and has to negotiate with an agent that represents the player and that agent selfishly doesn't want to take less money for more years to benefit the team. lol

 

[bobbop]

David Quinn’s painful Rangers decisions are far from over


Have Gorton done it again?

King of Bridge-Deals!

I thought this was a rather silly article.

DeAngelo still has a lot to prove before he gets a $4-5MM contract. Right now, I see him following the Greg Hawgood path...5-6 defenseman who is a power play specialist. Nothing wrong with that but that’s not a long term $4-5MM role. I could also see him moved in a deal for a defenseman with a different skill set.

As for Strome, we are a long way away from him being priced out of the market. If he scores 65 points this year, he will gets paid, at least for one more year.

Bridge deals make perfect sense. In DeAngelo’s case there was not a better option. They inherited Strome’s bridge. There will be times to give out longer terms to young players. Neither of these cases were good examples.

 

[mas0764]

He's good and would love get Carolina involved in a trade.
Kreider and TDA to Carolina for Gauthier, Kuokkaken and Toronto's 1st

not enough

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Honestly I think Staal was good before the injury, but he never really surpassed Mediocre status after it, and yet we gave him a contract like he was the old Marc Staal again, which he never was.

Even though he had ostensibly recovered by the end of 2014-2015, he really wasn't playing at the kind of level to justify that extension. We had just traded for Keith Yandle, and had Yandle and McDonagh already on the left hand side.

Hindsight is 20-20 but what a bad decision.

Glen ”Old School” Sather.

 

[haveandare]

Losing DeAngelo would be a huge, huge blow. He's by far our best and most reliable outlet passer. Yeah, that's not the only thing that matters in a d-man, but it's extremely important today's NHL. Good teams will pin you in your zone for long stretches. Being stuck in your zone for extended time leads to goals against. And if you can't get out of your zone, literally nothing else your team can do matters because they don't get the chance to do it.

We really don't have a replacement for him. We have another good outlet guy in Fox but you ideally need one of these types on the ice at all times, you can't go 20 minutes a game without one and expect to regularly beat good teams.

 

[gravey9]

I don't see a purpose in moving D'Angelo right now. He's still an RFA after this year. If we trade Kreider we'll have more than enough space to re-sign him.

If Lundkvist comes over next year and forces his way to the big club during the season then we can re-assess at next season's TDL. But at the moment, TDA is likely worth considerably more than whatever we can get for him in a trade. And as much as I think Keane might be an NHL D, I'm not convinced he'd be better than TDA in the next few years if ever. If anything, the kind of right D we'd want to find at some point is a big, tough, shut down D. But again, not really a problem right now as we're not in contention.

 

[Fitzy]

DeAngelo, to me, is the perfect candidate to be dealt to bolster our young talent at the forward position.

I would love to keep him- I feel I should add that. Having so much depth at RD moving forward would be great. But Brooks is right at least in that he leaves a lot to desire when defending, to the point where it is frustrating to watch sometimes. With someone who appears to be the NYR tru #1D for the next 6 years in Trouba, and a burgeoning Fox, that's already a lot of depth on the right side. 3rd pairing dmen are cheap and easy to find. Not many teams have a game breaker on their third pairing.

All the while we point out the lack of depth at young forward positions, especially secondary scoring. To build a team with as few weaknesses as possible the Rangers will need 3 decent scoring lines, even if we have some very solid players in Panarin and Zibanejad leading the charge.

What they should not under any circumstances do is deal DeAngelo for pennies on the dollar, and I hope they don't. But if you factor in contract disputes, age/contract/trade value factors, he really sticks out as the likely candidate to be moved for big returns if he has a big season.

Side note- this entire scenario changes if Fox or Trouba start to struggle, or if NYR switch one of the aforementioned right handed defenseman to the left side and they start to fit in in that role (God willing). In that case, let's move Skjei instead.

 

[aufheben]

Trouba makes a great outlet pass. Maybe he’s not as creative as DeAngelo, but that’s not an area of concern on the right side D moving forward.

 

[Rongomania]

Trouba makes a great outlet pass. Maybe he’s not as creative as DeAngelo, but that’s not an area of concern on the right side D moving forward.

3 years ago, Dan girardi was our #1 RHD.

#neverforget

We're living in a truly blessed reality these days.

 

[haveandare]

Trouba makes a great outlet pass. Maybe he’s not as creative as DeAngelo, but that’s not an area of concern on the right side D moving forward.

Imo it's an area of concern unless or until you have at least one guy on every pairing who can reliably make a crisp outlet pass. Having Trouba and Fox is good, but there's still 15/20 minutes, almost an entire period per game, where you don't have a guy like that on the ice without DeAngelo. For now at least. As other guys come up it could change.

 

[aufheben]

Imo it's an area of concern unless or until you have at least one guy on every pairing who can reliably make a crisp outlet pass. Having Trouba and Fox is good, but there's still 15/20 minutes, almost an entire period per game, where you don't have a guy like that on the ice without DeAngelo. For now at least. As other guys come up it could change.

If they’re not able to ride the top-4 a couple years from now then things have seriously gone awry with our LD prospects.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I don't disagree. It was no different for Girardi, Drury, etc.

Staal is in a whole different league when it comes to attacking him as a person and the fact that it is being taken it to a whole different level is what I have an issue with. I don't really think it is debatable that Marc Staal is no longer an NHL player and even though I think it is a foolish exercise, people are welcome beat that drum all day as long as it is relevant to the topic.

I'm a little ticked off about Drury's time as a Ranger TBH. Especially the way it ended where he forced a buyout and then immediately retired due to injuries. They could just have done LTIR and the Rangers would've been a lot better off capwise in their most competitive seasons.

The org obviously feels different though, so I might not be privy to some important details.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If Strome scores 60+ points this season then he's the new Brass

 

[Ola]

If Strome scores 60+ points this season then he's the new Brass

A 2nd at the deadline? Would be nice.

Get a 1st for Kreider. Our pick is around 12-14.

 

[Heckler81]

Our Center position is by far our weakest position as far as prospects go. If we get a 1st for Kreider in the low 20s and our first is top 10. I would want to draft two centers in the first round. I would love to get:

1st - Around 6 - Cole Perfetti
1st - Around 20 - Mavrik Borque

 

[Waivers]

Rangers need to move a few players in their blue line currently: Staal, Skjei, DeAngelo.

Staal will not be able to be moved, so maybe he should be the 7th defenseman as many have suggested the last 2 seasons.

Skjei is John Moore. He has no threatening shot, not a physical player, and not great in his own end.

DeAngelo is redundant because Fox is here. They are both small players, but have the same capabilities, however Fox is on an ELC and from a financial point of view, makes way more sense to keep. I am also not a big fan of having a small players on the blue line.

I miss the Tortorella era. Berube reminds me a lot of Tortorella. They both employed a system where teams hate to play against them due to being big, mean, and nasty. The caveat is that while they seem brute-like, they have skill on the team too. They would lean on their opponents on every play, very daunting to play against.

The Blues defenseman all eat their meat and potatoes, and being as big as they are, have an incredibly long reach which makes life a living hell for the forwards on the other team. They swallow pucks and can become demoralizing for the opposition, both physically and mentally.

 

[RangerBoy]

If the Rangers go the buyout route next June, they’ll be stuck with a $3.5667 million dead cap-space hit in 2020-21 and $1.067 million in ‘21-22 (per CapFriendly.com).

But his departure is coming. Staal has seen Girardi, Derek Stepan, McDonagh, Rick Nash, Michael Grabner, Mats Zuccarello, Kevin Hayes and Kevin Shattenkirk go out the door the last three seasons, all of them over contracts much more than performance. He knows what his future holds and that it’s not here.

On another note, the Rangers’ pending decision on Henrik Lundqvist, entering the final year of his deal (at an $8.5 million cap hit) next season, will make this one look like a hiccup. But Alexandar Georgiev will start a second straight game Saturday, has been the better of the two goalies since last January, and Igor Shesterkin, the team’s top prospect and Lundqvist’s heir apparent for a long time now, is killing it in his first North American season down in Hartford.

The Lundqvist decision will be a doozy. The young goaltenders are playing well. Hank turns 38 in March. The team is rebuilding and trending younger everyday.

 

[haveandare]

The Lundqvist decision will be a doozy. The young goaltenders are playing well. Hank turns 38 in March. The team is rebuilding and trending younger everyday.

The thing with the Lundqvist decision is that it hinges on the idea that Georgiev and Shesterkin are both top goalies. That's pretty reasonable and likely imo. But, if they are, keeping them both isn't good asset management. So, the idea is to eat part of Hank's contract in order to put themselves in a situation where they still then need to move one of the young guys and then get a backup. The alternate is move one of the young guys, ride Hank as the backup for a single year and not have to have dead cap from him.

It's not an easy decision imo, and not just because of Hank being a franchise hero.

 

[Avery16]

Rangers need to move a few players in their blue line currently: Staal, Skjei, DeAngelo.

Staal will not be able to be moved, so maybe he should be the 7th defenseman as many have suggested the last 2 seasons.

Skjei is John Moore. He has no threatening shot, not a physical player, and not great in his own end.

DeAngelo is redundant because Fox is here. They are both small players, but have the same capabilities, however Fox is on an ELC and from a financial point of view, makes way more sense to keep. I am also not a big fan of having a small players on the blue line.

I miss the Tortorella era. Berube reminds me a lot of Tortorella. They both employed a system where teams hate to play against them due to being big, mean, and nasty. The caveat is that while they seem brute-like, they have skill on the team too. They would lean on their opponents on every play, very daunting to play against.

The Blues defenseman all eat their meat and potatoes, and being as big as they are, have an incredibly long reach which makes life a living hell for the forwards on the other team. They swallow pucks and can become demoralizing for the opposition, both physically and mentally.

Too much to choose from in this epic bad take

 

[Kovalev27]

If DeAngelo scores 50+ points this year, why should he not be someone we want here long term? That’s crazy.

If I told anyone here in 2018 that we’d have a 24 year old right shot dman that can put up 50 plus points everyone would be screaming to lock him up and consider him a franchise core piece for the next 7 or 8 years.

now all of a sudden it’s let’s trade him we’ve got a 19 year old Swede coming in 2 or 3 years might be good. It’s insanity