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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

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The Rangers really aren't generating that many shots. It's hard to do that when you have this mix of young players and AHL'ers on the 4th line with your 7th overall pick two and a half years ago, I understand that. But when is the last time the Rangers put in a 40 shot/night effort. Is it puck possession? Failing to get in good position for shots?

The worrisome thing to me is that besides Chytil, Kravtsov, Barron, and Henriksson, there really isn't much in the system in terms of forward depth. Neither of these players are volume shooters.

Though I don't think that he's much of a great all around player, I'd love to get a prospect like Owen Tippett in the system. A shoot first, ask questions later kind of player. The Rangers don't like drafting those players. The prospects at forward otherwise look bleak compared to other positions.
 
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wafflepadsave said:
How do you think that translates as far as trades? Rangers looking for a pick for helping or can they actually pick up someone who fills a genuine need?
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No clue as far as the Rangers stand, just conjecture for now. If you want to shoot two birds with that type of deal, it would mean taking on term next year, which the Rangers would be hamstrung by with the elevated Shattenkirk cap hit next year.

Doesn't make sense for the Rangers to buy rental unless they can flip it like they did with McQuaid last year. These things tend to take shape after US Thanksgiving. Will know more in another month.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
The Rangers really aren't generating that many shots. It's hard to do that when you have this mix of young players and AHL'ers on the 4th line with your 7th overall pick two and a half years ago, I understand that. But when is the last time the Rangers put in a 40 shot/night effort. Is it puck possession? Failing to get in good position for shots?

The worrisome thing to me is that besides Chytil, Kravtsov, Barron, and Henriksson, there really isn't much in the system in terms of forward depth. Neither of these players are volume shooters.

Though I don't think that he's much of a great all around player, I'd love to get a prospect like Owen Tippett in the system. A shoot first, ask questions later kind of player. The Rangers don't like drafting those players. The prospects at forward otherwise look bleak compared to other positions.
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The Rangers have had two straight defense-heavy drafts, aside from spending their first picks on impact level forwards.

They need a forward heavy draft this year.
 
Ola said:
Hahaha your head must be so deep into the sand that it makes me think of that old movie, Journey to the Center of the Earth.

And wild theories? Come on, it was/is certainly a very wild theory to believe that Corsi-Scouting -- ie that CF%, rel or not, of a player gives you a clear picture of how good that player is -- was as reliable as stated. All coaches had no idea what they were doing, because they didn't understand the numbers. Nobody in the hockey community did. Some guy at Twitter called Manny was the only source. Go back and read what was written, the analysis, its a total total farce.

Facts are, when a player change team his metrical foot-print change over night. If the metrical foot print revealed how good a player was, period, then the metrical foot-print would NOT change 180 over night when the same player changed team, unless a player instantly became a lot better or worse the second they changed teams. Are you really arguing that?
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As such these numbers may speak more to the team and perhaps the style/possession/systems it uses moreso than the actual quality of the player in question
 
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I Eat Crow said:
The Rangers really aren't generating that many shots. It's hard to do that when you have this mix of young players and AHL'ers on the 4th line with your 7th overall pick two and a half years ago, I understand that. But when is the last time the Rangers put in a 40 shot/night effort. Is it puck possession? Failing to get in good position for shots?

The worrisome thing to me is that besides Chytil, Kravtsov, Barron, and Henriksson, there really isn't much in the system in terms of forward depth. Neither of these players are volume shooters.

Though I don't think that he's much of a great all around player, I'd love to get a prospect like Owen Tippett in the system. A shoot first, ask questions later kind of player. The Rangers don't like drafting those players. The prospects at forward otherwise look bleak compared to other positions.
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pretty sure they are last in the league in shots and 5v5 shots. also 5v5 scoring.

they just don't generate many high danger shots

i remember the last few drafts everytime the name of a draft eligible player came up that was a shooter or sniper type, this place shreds him. one dimensional. one trick pony. that shot won't translate. etc etc.

kakko was a no brainer. but i agree, we lack shooter types or scorers up front. the past few drafts have been very D heavy and although its nice to have guys like smith, lundkvist and robertson plus the others, the last forward we drafted was henriksson and he's an undersized playmaker type.

i continue to be very skeptical of our drafting strategy and certainly our history of producing blue chip forwards.
 
I'm a 49er fan.

2 years ago under kyle shanahan they sucked
1 year ago under him they sucked.

This year they're one of the best teams in the league.
Half the fan base wanted him fired last year. He may be one of the best coaches in the game right now.

Rebuilding takes time fellas...it sucks, it's dirty and yucky and hard to watch....but if it's done right, you can turn things around after a few years


We were always going to suck this year.
 
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RangersFan1994 said:
You dont think he'll get so frustrated with this team that he will rather have a Stanley Cup than stay here with his legacy in NYR
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He's not that good anymore his GAA is close to 4 and another few starts and his Save % dips below .900. This plus the high cap hit and age..what team could take that on other than like a Colorado? And honestly, they have Grubauer who is doing a fine job, and this young kid Francouz they found similar to how the Rangers found Georgiev.

The trend in the NHL the last few years has been to go with ELC or young goalies and not spend that much cap on them.

I love the guy and he's been a great Ranger. He will have his day to have the banner raised, but I don't know how this marriage ends well. Every 4 goal or more start he has + every game Shestyorkin looks ready, something has to give. He also is visibly rattled/pissed off and is nearly twice the age of some of these kids.

The franchise has been very good to him and Staal and obviously cares about them, but they're not going to be Cup contenders or even a playoff team anytime soon, and you can't have this guy throwing Donald Duck tantrums on the ice and yelling at DMen all of the time. It makes for an uncomfortable environment.

The best case is for him to at some point accept the circumstances, collect his paycheck for this year, but give up playing time to the two kids and serve as a 3rd goalie by the time the deadline arrives. Then with a final year of his contract, they can either work out a trade with 50% retention, or he can ride off into the sunset.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
The Rangers really aren't generating that many shots. It's hard to do that when you have this mix of young players and AHL'ers on the 4th line with your 7th overall pick two and a half years ago, I understand that. But when is the last time the Rangers put in a 40 shot/night effort. Is it puck possession? Failing to get in good position for shots?

The worrisome thing to me is that besides Chytil, Kravtsov, Barron, and Henriksson, there really isn't much in the system in terms of forward depth. Neither of these players are volume shooters.

Though I don't think that he's much of a great all around player, I'd love to get a prospect like Owen Tippett in the system. A shoot first, ask questions later kind of player. The Rangers don't like drafting those players. The prospects at forward otherwise look bleak compared to other positions.
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Well, six of our top ten shooters last season are playing for other teams now.
 
I Eat Crow said:
The Rangers really aren't generating that many shots. It's hard to do that when you have this mix of young players and AHL'ers on the 4th line with your 7th overall pick two and a half years ago, I understand that. But when is the last time the Rangers put in a 40 shot/night effort. Is it puck possession? Failing to get in good position for shots?

The worrisome thing to me is that besides Chytil, Kravtsov, Barron, and Henriksson, there really isn't much in the system in terms of forward depth. Neither of these players are volume shooters.

Though I don't think that he's much of a great all around player, I'd love to get a prospect like Owen Tippett in the system. A shoot first, ask questions later kind of player. The Rangers don't like drafting those players. The prospects at forward otherwise look bleak compared to other positions.
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Yeah, and its these guys that are hard to find. Like seriously, if Robertson was a center, I wonder if he drops out of the top 15.

I really like the Aaltonen and Henriksson picks. But they are not setting the world on fire and are as prospects a bit behind Robertson -- but that should be expected. That is the exchange rate basically to go with a forward instead of an LD. Björnfot made the NHL out of the gate as did Heinola, 20's picks in the first round. Which center made the NHL out of the gate, Hughes only?

And I am far from convinced that we can use the LDs as "currency" to fill the other voids in the lineup. If Tarmo Reunanen was a center I think he is in the NHL right now. He played well in preseason. Dominant at the liiga level. Can we swap him for a top 6/9 center? Of course not, would have to chip in Kravy and a 1st besides him.
 
cd211 said:
we need vet forwards.. Callahan brown backes.. leaders upfront who can help young group upfront
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Agreed. And not to trash Ryan Strome, its not a knock on him, but individually he is not strong enough defensively, on his skates or physically to really "lift" younger talented players.

I think we would be much better of with someone that -- unlike Strome -- was a stiff offensively but that moved better and was stronger at getting the puck up ice.

And when looking at our line-up, that one vet C we have besides Ziba is so important. I think it would be a big improvement if that center was stronger and could take on more responsibilities.
 
Skjeikspeare said:
He's not that good anymore his GAA is close to 4 and another few starts and his Save % dips below .900. This plus the high cap hit and age..what team could take that on other than like a Colorado? And honestly, they have Grubauer who is doing a fine job, and this young kid Francouz they found similar to how the Rangers found Georgiev.

The trend in the NHL the last few years has been to go with ELC or young goalies and not spend that much cap on them.
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I agree for sure.

Its a fact that in hockey there are maybe 200 goalies in the world that can play 60 minutes of hockey as well as any other goalie in the league, but there are hardly 10 centers that for 60 minutes can play a game of hockey as good as McDavid can. Like Boo Nieves will never log 22 minutes during one game and leave the ice having had the same impact on things as McDavid can. But like Adam Huska could certainly stand on his head one game in a SCF and have the exact same impact as a Carey Price would have had.

Positions are different in that sense. Its not that goalies in theory are not valuable, its probably the opposite. But there is only so much cap to go around, and if you want to bet on being able to fill one key position with a cheap option, the odds of accomplishing it between the pipes is a heck of a lot bigger than at center for example.
 
Hank needs to calm down though and I say that knowing how hard that is. The stare downs after every goal. I mean every goal. The body language the scene last night. It’s 1-1 he loses his shit and you know the next puck he sees it’s going in. Sure enough it did. He lost his poise. He can’t keep doing this. He lets games snowball on him and with the fragile team around him he’s making it worse.

i mean there is instant replay ref clearly told him guy got tripped into you. We all know that’s a goal. You’re playing well it’s not on you get your head back in. No. He could not

he’s not going anywhere but imo the sooner he’s retired the better. Georgiev and Shesterkin have ice in their veins. Bad turnover last night in Hartford. Shesterkin stays on his edges calmly makes a tremendous save. Hank would have been screaming and cursing before the guy even shot the puck.
 
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If Zibanejad is out for any amount of time, even precautionary, this team is going to drop like a rock. @Edge mentioned this scenario before the season began that if he, or Trouba or Panarin are out for any substantial amount of time the team will be trouble. They are relying on those (3) guys immensely.

Should the Rangers lose on Tuesday, they would have 7 points in 10 games and be no better than 4th worse in the NHL. This is given the fact that their goalies have both given the team an opportunity to win in every game they have played and without any sort of major injury as of yet.
 
NYR Viper said:
If Zibanejad is out for any amount of time, even precautionary, this team is going to drop like a rock. @Edge mentioned this scenario before the season began that if he, or Trouba or Panarin are out for any substantial amount of time the team will be trouble. They are relying on those (3) guys immensely.

Should the Rangers lose on Tuesday, they would have 7 points in 10 games and be no better than 4th worse in the NHL. This is given the fact that their goalies have both given the team an opportunity to win in every game they have played and without any sort of major injury as of yet.
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#loseforLafreniere
#quitforQuinton
 
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