Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[McRanger92]

this team stinks

 

[mike14]

Habs trade Arber Xhekaj, Fabian Xhekaj, Jared Davidson, Luke Tuch to Rangers for a Kaapo Kakko, K'Miller and Lindgren



Habs get some snarl on defense and a reclamation project in Kakko.

Rangers get toughness, physical winger, skill and much needed center depth help

I don't watch the Habs much, and certainly not the Rocket, but this seems a terrible return for Miller and KK even with a bonus of getting Lindgren off the roster.
Davidson and Tuch may have some potential, but neither seem to scream 'upside' that you'd want when you are trading NHL regulars
Wouldn't we be better off just waiving Lindgren (or just letting him walk after the season) and trading the other guys for some better assets?

 

[duhmetreE]

What coaches are available? Up and comer? Modern day hockey? not left wing lock, 1-3-1 and ring it around the boards

 

[bhamill]

Group of p***yes. If you're upset then play better and stick a middle finger to your gm. So far their play justifies the GM's view

Exactly. They’re upset? Too f***ing bad. Don’t suck so bad. Don’t play several levels below your contract.
The players are underperforming, and are giving a shit effort, and then further tanking when they hear management is ready to remedy the situation and the reaction is “fire Drury”? Fine. After we “fire” all the dead weight.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

f*** sports owners and nanagement, you will never catch me being on their side for anything lol

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't watch the Habs much, and certainly not the Rocket, but this seems a terrible return for Miller and KK even with a bonus of getting Lindgren off the roster.
Davidson and Tuch may have some potential, but neither seem to scream 'upside' that you'd want when you are trading NHL regulars
Wouldn't we be better off just waiving Lindgren (or just letting him walk after the season) and trading the other guys for some better assets?

He just wants fighters on this team. Honestly, it's fans like him I come ot HF to avoid, oh well.

 

[mike14]

He just wants fighters on this team. Honestly, it's fans like him I come ot HF to avoid, oh well.

But they don't even really seem to be 'good' fighters...

If there's some kind of 'NHL player name Scrabble' game I'd make the trade. Between that and Mika you'd have a winning hand!

 

[GAGLine]

What coaches are available? Up and comer? Modern day hockey? not left wing lock, 1-3-1 and ring it around the boards

It's too bad we didn't hire Carbery instead of Lavi. He has done a great job thus far with Washington.

 

[RangersFan1994]

This is awful.

Well you're not gonna get much for players that are garbage. Fans think the Rangers can get something useful for Kakko, Trouba, Lindgren, Miller. Teams only trade for potential if you're in your 1st 2ed maybe 3rd full NHL season. No team will give up anything for Miller. Sadly Kreider had the most value of the core and is one of the few to score in the playoffs. Rangers are in a tough spot. You think teams would give up anything 9f any value for a dman that is big soft and doesn't really produce offense. Wishful thinking

 

[effen]

Why are people clamoring for a different system? The forwards are *literally* not backchecking, as in skating towards guys when the opposition has the puck. They are *literally* not appearing in frame to give their defensemen an outlet.

That's not system or even lack thereof. If they were freelancing there would be some chaotic help.

They are *actively* not helping. They are *actively* sabotaging. This is not some X's and O's issue.

They are also *actively* not defending each other. Last time this happened we got Patrik Nemeth. God knows what this is going to get us.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Well you're not gonna get much for players that are garbage. Fans think the Rangers can get something useful for Kakko, Trouba, Lindgren, Miller. Teams only trade for potential if you're in your 1st 2ed maybe 3rd full NHL season. No team will give up anything for Miller. Sadly Kreider had the most value of the core and is one of the few to score in the playoffs. Rangers are in a tough spot. You think teams would give up anything 9f any value for a dman that is big soft and doesn't really produce offense. Wishful thinking

You’re going to get a hell of alot
More than that.

I’d rather hang on to what we have than do what you proposed, Lindgren included

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Trouba has to be moved.

One of Kreider/Mika, HAS to be moved.

One of Lindy/Miller, should be moved.

Would be totally fine to move kakko/chytil/trochek in the right hockey trade.

Igor, I don’t even know what to think anymore.

 

[CLW]

Why are people clamoring for a different system? The forwards are *literally* not backchecking, as in skating towards guys when the opposition has the puck. They are *literally* not appearing in frame to give their defensemen an outlet.

That's not system or even lack thereof. If they were freelancing there would be some chaotic help.

They are *actively* not helping. They are *actively* sabotaging. This is not some X's and O's issue.

The fact SOME of them are is a coaching problem in itself.

 

[JimmyG89]

The core is soft. That's the reality. Whether it's a mindset or physical limitations, it's the reality.

The guys 30 and up just don't have the will that their contemporaries have. There are a laundry list of reasons why that could be the case. It's what the eyes tell you.

Laviolette brought structure to the team last year. It couldn't have changed this much in one summer. The players are no longer capable.

Drury went out and tried to make it work. Maybe Dolan is getting too involved here, but he hasn't been hands on with the Knicks.

The way things broke down is as follows. Drury didn't want to kick the can down the road anymore. Trouba essentially forced this to change and now here we are, exactly where Drury did not want to be. Now a roster that is unsure the person that put it together believes in them, because they know he doesn't.

I think out of the guys everyone wants out, the only salvageable one is Mika and that would require moving him to wing. Beyond that the baby is going out with the bathwater cause the stink on this roster isn't just going away.

 

[effen]

The Rangers for most of the first two months last year actively backchecked and actively played a 1-3-1 and while they still had their wussy tendencies, it was night and day from the Gallant and Quinn years.

Around New years they stopped impeding anyone in the 1-3-1 and if anyone remembers there was a crisis over the neutral zone trap being an expressway. They mitigated that by backing up more and that worked for a while.

Now it's an ultra, ultra soft 1-1-3 that just straight backs up the whole way because impeding guys in the NZ hurts or is icky or something. I've never seen anything like this. Even lazy teams obstruct - these guys won't even do that. Matador D.

Burn it all down. Guys with 20 years in hockey apparently can't notice they are being dummied and are clueless about how to fix it. Gimme a break. They don't wanna. It's that simple.

 

[bernmeister]

And what exactly are the players getting in return for losing NMCs? Unless of course you're suggesting teams collude and don't offer them, at which point the PA has a super easy lawsuit waiting

should be non negotiable for next col barg agre

 

[CLW]

The Rangers for most of the first two months last year actively backchecked and actively played a 1-3-1 and while they still had their wussy tendencies, it was night and day from the Gallant and Quinn years.

Around New years they stopped impeding anyone in the 1-3-1 and if anyone remembers there was a crisis over the neutral zone trap being an expressway. They mitigated that by backing up more and that worked for a while.

Now it's an ultra, ultra soft 1-1-3 that just straight backs up the whole way because impeding guys in the NZ hurts or is icky or something. I've never seen anything like this. Even lazy teams obstruct - these guys won't even do that. Matador D.

Burn it all down. Guys with 20 years in hockey apparently can't notice they are being dummied and are clueless about how to fix it. Gimme a break. They don't wanna. It's that simple.

We have Kreider, Panarin, Laffy, Trochek, Mika and Smith in the top 6. Of those Trochek is the only "honest" two way player. Mika is supposed to be but he quit the physical part of the game. Kreider too. Smith is a checked out joke (lazy management here again). Panarin is hustling to be fair. Nobody is not saying that there are not issues with the personnel here. But that doesn't mean that what Lavi has served up isn't putrid and stale, just like Gallant before him.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Habs trade Arber Xhekaj, Fabian Xhekaj, Jared Davidson, Luke Tuch to Rangers for a Kaapo Kakko, K'Miller and Lindgren



Habs get some snarl on defense and a reclamation project in Kakko.

Rangers get toughness, physical winger, skill and much needed center depth help

What the hell is this? Sure you are a Rangers fan?

should be non negotiable for next col barg agre

That's one way to ensure a lockout that would make the 04/05 lockout look like child's play. What could you possibly offer the NHLPA in return for that loss of security?

 

[B17 Apricots]

The crazy thing... this roster didnt even need huge changes. Almost all the vets are tanking at the most inopportune time right now. If Mika, Kreider and Vinny were on their game I think we'd be fine. The biggest and really the only changes that needed to be made was unloading Tuba, Goodrow and Lindgren's money. That's really it. Mika, Kreider, Vinny and the D all falling off the wagon at the same time is the perfect shitstorm. And even worse, we already had a replacement for Tuba in house. The entire season so far seems like the culmination of Tuba and his bullshit this summer. We would've had the money to upgrade Lindgren. Tuba kinda forced Drury to run it back.

I made a comment when Chytil got hurt. This team is in limbo. This sort of stuff is going to hang over their heads all year until it's over. In the back of their head they know Drury is willing to make the business moves. They know their captain was being shopped, they know he's gone. You put yourself in their shoes... obviously it's easy for us to say they should brush it off, its gotta be tricky to come to games/practices knowing your days are numbered. And as bad as Tuba's been he's looked up to. Then Miller hurt Chytil, thats another huge loss. He hurt Goodrow last year and then took some time off for "mental health" purposes. Drury traded another character guy in Goodrow this summer. Those are all the right business decisions. Maybe you could call them a mentally weak bunch, but clearly the lockeroom is suffering from it. It's unfortunate that the contracts we really needed to clear this summer also happened to be some of the main character guys. At this point make the tough moves and be done with it already. Because it's going to keep hanging over these guys heads until it's done

 

[effen]

We have Kreider, Panarin, Laffy, Trochek, Mika and Smith in the top 6. Of those Trochek is the only "honest" two way player. Mika is supposed to be but he quit the physical part of the game. Kreider too. Smith is a checked out joke (lazy management here again). Panarin is hustling to be fair. Nobody is not saying that there are not issues with the personnel here. But that doesn't mean that what Lavi has served up isn't putrid and stale, just like Gallant before him.

Lavi has served up a painfully conventional neutral zone system run by literally hundreds of teams in the last three decades. These players have played against it, again, probably hundreds of times.

There is no system, 1-3-1. 1-1-3, 2-1-2, 9-0-2-1-0, no system that will work if the players don't want to try. And the last 5 games, they have not wanted to try.

This is not a stylistic issue where Artemi Panarin is not a physical defender. You do not have to be a physical defender to clog the neutral zone. This is a locker room that has mutinied against yet another coach. At some point you stop letting the inmates run the asylum.

Ryan Strome's punk ass talking shit about his coach in the press was the canary in the coal mine five years ago. No one listened.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

It’s Thanksgiving weekend guys(for most of us anyway). We should be spending time with our families instead of stressing out over these overpaid losers on this website.

 

[CLW]

Lavi has served up a painfully conventional neutral zone system run by literally hundreds of teams in the last three decades. These players have played against it, again, probably hundreds of times.

There is no system, 1-3-1. 1-1-3, 2-1-2, 9-0-2-1-0, no system that will work if the players don't want to try. And the last 5 games, they have not wanted to try.

This is not a stylistic issue where Artemi Panarin is not a physical defender. You do not have to be a physical defender to clog the neutral zone. This is a locker room that has mutinied against yet another coach. At some point you stop letting the inmates run the asylum.

Nobody is saying that the core isn't flawed. We were talking about the shit d-zone system, the lack of real transition going back at least 3 coaches etc etc. The players, the coaches and management, there are issues with all three.

 

[bernmeister]

I’d clean house starting with waiving Trouba tomorrow if there are no takers.

Staple quoted an unnamed western conference GM who said 25 teams would try to sign Shesterkin next summer even if it cost $13-14 million AAV. If that’s true, find the team that wants him that badly and trade him there.

Then consider moving Panarin and Zibanejad in the summer if possible.

Shesty to Colorado seems to make far too much sense, but they don't have a 1st this year which is a bit annoying

the correct move here is Shesty to LA
and yes, we effed ourselves and we need to work out of that
as that applies here, that means overpaying w/Shesty ++ and getting Byfield
I get they don't wanna give him up, but they have atm sufficient pivot depth and more importantly, if a deal is too good to turn down the won't

Shesty + KAM + _____________ [prob Nemec from NJ at cost of bread]
for
Byfield + dump

now you have a foundation piece you can build on
I don't give a rat's ass that it creates temporary holes
long term = win
DO IT
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY, DO IT

it's like a scene from The Agony and The Ecstasy and Michelangelo rebukes some cardinals saying to the pope, "Why do you bring fools to judge my work"!

Habs trade Arber Xhekaj, Fabian Xhekaj, Jared Davidson, Luke Tuch to Rangers for a Kaapo Kakko, K'Miller and Lindgren

Habs get some snarl on defense and a reclamation project in Kakko.

Rangers get toughness, physical winger, skill and much needed center depth help

super no
reg no not enuf

But they don't even really seem to be 'good' fighters...

If there's some kind of 'NHL player name Scrabble' game I'd make the trade. Between that and Mika you'd have a winning hand!

not only that, none of it is nec
they got Rempe
of course, they have to stop being stupid by not listening to bern
AND ACTUALLY PLAY HIM

 

[Boris Zubov]

Why the hell would I be pro-player in this situation? In this situation their incentives align a lot more with ours. I don't care about the politics of it which is what it seems like a lot of people care about when being pro-player.

At the end of the day it's millionaires vs billionaires, however when it comes down to it, I'm on the side of the people with the talent who actually make up the league. Nothing to do with politics at all.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It’s Thanksgiving weekend guys(for most of us anyway). We should be spending time with our families instead of stressing out over these overpaid losers on this website.

I take offense to that. I'm pretty sure the losers on this website are not overpaid.

At the end of the day it's millionaires vs billionaires, however when it comes down to it, I'm on the side of the people with the talent who actually make up the league. Nothing to do with politics at all.

I'm on the side that gives my team the best chance to win. In this situation it's the owners. Plus there is no actual logical reason to support a system that allows players to coast and stay with their employer.