Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[CLW]

Special K

Well, K's are kinda his thing lol.

 

[cheech70]

This is the problem and everyone in the locker room can see it. Mika has checked out and he still has significant ice time. Bench him when Filip is ready

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Minnesota signed Trenin for 4 years @ $3.5m per season this off-season. He has 1 point in 21 games this year so far playing ~13 minutes of ice time. That's the type of player I would expect back for Trouba, along with miscellaneous pieces.

Fine with me .

 

[McRanger92]

This is the problem and everyone in the locker room can see it. Mika has checked out and he still has significant ice time. Bench him when Filip is ready

This stuff doesnt matter though, and it's only a big deal because fans are too emotional. Or so I've been told.

Kakko did the same thing when Edstrom got blindsideds after the Faulk boarding call. It's a pattern. It's also a pattern that the Rangers young guys try to stir things up and the veterans fail to respond. Igor standing alone jawing at Hofer after Cuylle and rempe were escorted off should piss everyone off.

 

[Mandar]

It’s time to sink your teeth into the Pensky file.

He's not Pensky material....

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Did you see the Rangers from 2000-2004?

I did, the team was poorly constructed, the team was bad. This team has good players not playing to their abilities, there is a difference.

 

[Ruggs225]

I have no idea what the f*** you're talking about with this.

Absolutely nowhere did I say the team got better because those guys were bad leaders.

I'm saying we got rid of an entire core of widely liked and respected leaders that people lament about, and the team didn't even blink, so maybe it doesn't matter that much and upgrading the roster is the alpha and the omega.

That's my argument and it's been my argument forever.

@GoAwayPanarin is correct that Dubinsky was a legit good player and we missed him in the short term. We absolutely do not need to go back to Ryan Callahan being one of the worst defensive players since the lockout. That's exactly the kind of "bad player, good vibes" bullshit I'm trying to avoid.

Team building is easy. Get better hockey players. It's undefeated.

I mean u implied it.

You need both good players and good leaders.

Right now we have weak leaders and good players playing bad.

nobody wants to take this team by the horn and set the example.

its not as easy as just get good players. You need the leadership as well and the olywrs need to complement each other.

Right now we dont have any identity, have players whose styles dont mesh, and have no voice in the locker room.

 

[Machinehead]

I mean u implied it.

You need both good players and good leaders.

Right now we have weak leaders and good players playing bad.

nobody wants to take this team by the horn and set the example.

its not as easy as just get good players. You need the leadership as well and the olywrs need to complement each other.

Right now we dont have any identity, have players whose styles dont mesh, and have no voice in the locker room.

No I absolutely didn't!

 

[Mikachu93]

We have no idea what's actually said in room, where it matters. I couldn't care less what is said to the media, or by who.

You guys watch that shit? Do something else. I can recommend some good video games.

No I don't watch that shit, personally.

What I'm telling you is that it DOES matter.

You are the face of the franchise when you wear a letter. Normally, I agree with you and I couldn't care less about the lip service to the media.

But in the face of what has transpired the past few weeks and following the pattern of the team's previous three exits from the playoffs, I think that level of accountability matters.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Rangers won the presidents trophy last year, dude.

I’m talking about now.

Both teams had playoff disappointments and both teams promised “big changes” in the offseason, which neither ended up making. Difference is the Toronto core 4 are all performing very well this season (except Matthew’s who is hurt) and building up that good will and hopium again.

Rangers core are all stinking it up except Panarin and even he’s been kind of meh, and the rest are between decent but underwhelming (Fox, Igor, Laf ) , very bad (Trochek, Kreider, Miller) and cancer infused diarrhea (Zibanejad, Trouba, Lindgren)

 

[IDvsEGO]

I did, the team was poorly constructed, the team was bad. This team has good players not playing to their abilities, there is a difference.

Theoretically the team wasn’t poorly constructed.

Mika was given his contract after having multiple ppg seasons.
He looked like a top 20 1c.
Trocheck was given his contract and is paid like a high end 3c.
Chytil was given his deal and if he stays healthy he’s a 2c

We have high end wingers who are paid like high end wingers


The Trouba deal at the time was a small overpay with the understanding that the cap jumps would make it tolerable as he declined. Cap didn’t jump at all.

Seriously.
The roster wasn’t constructed that poorly.
We had 2 top 10 picks completely be non nhl players. That alone was a huge miss.

 

[Ruggs225]

No I absolutely didn't!

The way it read to me, it certainly seemed you did.

Anyway, if i misinterpreted what your wrote, my apologies.

 

[Machinehead]

This stuff doesnt matter though, and it's only a big deal because fans are too emotional. Or so I've been told.

Ok, if Mika had a better response there, do we win the game?

 

[McRanger92]

Ok, if Mika had a better response there, do we win the game?

Probably. It was a 2-2 game and his turnover in the 3rd led to the game winning goal.

 

[LOFIN]

Let's bully the Canucks fans and force this trade to existance:

Zibanejad + Kreider for Brock Boeser and JT Miller

Why on Earth would the Canucks do that you may ask? Well, Boeser negotiations haven't really progressed to my knowledge, and Rutherford is an out of the box thinker. And there are rumours that Elias Petterson and JT Miller are really not getting along. And coincidentally, EP40 has started to play much better now that JT is on his personal leave.

 

[Vitto79]

Would Ottawa do a Batherson for Kreider , Trouba package ?

Hamonic isn’t good but he can spare if Mancini is better

Bump Cuylee up

Panarin , Trotchek , Laf
Cuylee, Zib , Batherson
Smith , Chytil , Kakko
Edstrom , Carrick , Vesey

 

[Machinehead]

Probably. It was a 2-2 game and his turnover in the 3rd led to the game winning goal.

See, now you moved the goalposts to a hockey play.

Nobody is happy with what's happening, but we're losing focus here. It's becoming all about scrums and speeches to the media.

 

[McRanger92]

Let's bully the Canucks fans and force this trade to existance:

Zibanejad + Kreider for Brock Boeser and JT Miller

Why on Earth would the Canucks do that you may ask? Well, Boeser negotiations haven't really progressed to my knowledge, and Rutherford is an out of the box thinker. And there are rumours that Elias Petterson and JT Miller are really not getting along. And coincidentally, EP40 has started to play much better now that JT is on his personal leave.

I have been thinking a JT for Mika (Bozo for Bozo) trade might make sense. JT is a no bullshit guy. Seemingly a bit too much for Vancouver. Maybe Mika woudnt mind going out West with his family on a team where he can play second fiddle to another Swede in EP.

 

[McRanger92]

See, now you moved the goalposts to a hockey play.

Nobody is happy with what's happening, but we're losing focus here. It's becoming all about scrums and speeches to the media.

You dont think Zibanejad's lack of physical engagement is part of the issue? I sure as shit do. It's an issue with your boy Cryder too now that he is a husk of himself 5v5.

 

[Alluckks]

Trocheck slumping is a major thing right now too. But with how good he was last year and his style of play he feels like the kind of player that can right that ship for himself.

Mika is checked out, I’m over it. He did head to head drills in pregame yesterday by himself because Kreider was out. You think he is doing that for solidarity because his buddy has a short term lingering injury? Kreider got a wake up call bench and Mika spends the day moping. How does that look to everyone else on the team? It’s a joke.

 

[Mikachu93]

Nobody is happy with what's happening, but we're losing focus here. It's becoming all about scrums and speeches to the media.

The point people are making is that scrums and speeches to the media are representative about effort level and attitude, which are imperative for a player to perform.

The players themselves are surely lacking and showing regression, I think we all understand that. But when a player is not engaged in the game or focused on the right results/attitude, it spills over into every thing they do on the ice. Losing a 50/50 battle, not skating full speed to cover an open man in the D zone, overthinking a shot or a pass.

It has a trickle down effect. Those who have played the game understand there are things you cannot measure at the end of the day. It is readily apparent to all watching that there is a rift in the room that is spilling over onto the ice and manifesting itself in a lack of focus and effort.

That sort of thing is like a virus and it infects an entire team.

 

[McRanger92]

The point people are making is that scrums and speeches to the media are representative about effort level and attitude, which are imperative for a player to perform.

The players themselves are surely lacking and showing regression, I think we all understand that. But when a player is not engaged in the game or focused on the right results/attitude, it spills over into every thing they do on the ice. Losing a 50/50 battle, not skating full speed to cover an open man in the D zone, overthinking a shot or a pass.

It has a trickle down effect. Those who have played the game understand there are things you cannot measure at the end of the day. It is readily apparent to all watching that there is a rift in the room that is spilling over onto the ice and manifesting itself in a lack of focus and effort.

That sort of thing is like a virus and it infects an entire team.

It takes some real mental gymnastics to think that physical engagement and accountability among teammates dont matter to a team's 5 on 5 play. It is easier I guess to just throw your hands up and say everyone on the team sucks, rather than acknowledge its a real problem.

 

[zlev]

Probably. It was a 2-2 game and his turnover in the 3rd led to the game winning goal.

why didn't Rempes stupid ass penalty turn the tides then?

 

[Machinehead]

You dont think Zibanejad's lack of physical engagement is part of the issue? I sure as shit do. It's an issue with your boy Cryder too now that he is a husk of himself 5v5.

His lack of physical engagement is an issue when it comes to his play. He rarely plays through contact, preferring to reach in his puck battles. He's had that habit for a long time and it kills him on 50/50 plays.

Whether or not he put a guy in a headlock is a completely different thing.

I thought the scrum was entertaining and it's good that a guy like Cuylle will get into that, because it's fun, but I don't think it's super relevant to winning games that every guy does that.

The point people are making is that scrums and speeches to the media are representative about effort level and attitude, which are imperative for a player to perform.

The players themselves are surely lacking and showing regression, I think we all understand that. But when a player is not engaged in the game or focused on the right results/attitude, it spills over into every thing they do on the ice. Losing a 50/50 battle, not skating full speed to cover an open man in the D zone, overthinking a shot or a pass.

It has a trickle down effect. Those who have played the game understand there are things you cannot measure at the end of the day. It is readily apparent to all watching that there is a rift in the room that is spilling over onto the ice and manifesting itself in a lack of focus and effort.

That sort of thing is like a virus and it infects an entire team.

Trouba is a performative leader who loves to throw tantrums and land big hits. Meanwhile, I don't think there's a lazier player in the league in his own zone.

We're talking about two different things here.

 

[bernmeister]

But you're not considering

1. Ekblad sucks
2. Ekblad sucks
3. Ekblad sucks

yeah but he is still tradeable esp since he is RD on short term, not to mention a former iOA
we are not married to him
here he would be a stopgap

bread at 11.6+m, first you have to find a place he is willing to relocate to;
every other consideration bends,, buckles, and breaks to that reality.

then you need this partner to be able to swallow a huge amount of cap
Ekblad may = some level suckage, but not Lindy level!
stopgap now, jettison for cap after
2 step process

again would retain heavy if 1.5 seasons primo bread = 2 top D/prospects

Why hasn't this roster been traded away yet. Drury going back to sleep. LOL

Seriously though, if this group is still pissed about how the Goodrow/Trouba stuff went on this past summer, then they can go bleep themselves. Grow the bleep up; it's a business. This roster needs to be blown up. Bring in a core that gives a shit. The days of being Club Med/day spa need to end NOW.

b'c people don't listen to bern
and ultimately, when he is proven right
regret it
whether they admit it or not

I’m curious what people’s thought are on Kakko and keeping him long term.

It seems like he was destined to get moved at some point 2 months ago, but I’ve seen the conversation now shift to wanting to keep him long term

I was early on nail him 4.25-4.75 x 8
likely has to be bumped up now.

This is ridiculous.

The rangers werent better after dubinsky was traded until they made other trades for better players.

St. Louis is a better player than cally. And was a good leader too.

I know your upset about Kreider. But this argument is silly.

I brought up Cally bc he was a good captain. He was. Doesnt mean a team cant get better without him, especially when you bring in better players. Especially when there were other good leaders such as Hank in the room.

And for the record. Kreider is a shit leader so we might get better by jettisoning him. At least by your “analysis”

setting aside whether/not your assessment is accurate,

WE DON'T PAY FOR LEADERSHIP THAT IS A PLUS IF IT HAPPENS TO BE THERE
we pay for production

kreider stats last few yrs = very productive, good value on his contract, and as for currently, I put 95%+ of the prob on Zib
Kreid and others set zib up, and he can't finish

THAT is NOT on CK