Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[Raspewtin]

For what it's worth - someone needs to be held accountable for the individual collapses of our defensemen. Every defenseman on this team, as an individual, has gotten worse (in most cases, significantly worse) besides Schneider and Jones since Laviolette got here. It's a serious issue.

 

[Leonardo87]

On that note, it's probably against the rules, but if @Leonardo87 will let it slide, I'm going to post pictures of actual shit:

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That's a massive aberration for Kreider based on his historical outputs, but also, he's headed for 34. The rest of them are having a normal one.

That's three out of your top four on defense. The house is on fire and we're wondering if the wallpaper is the wrong color. Let's put the fire out.

 

[17futurecap]

Right, and I'm sorry, this is where I get into "I don't care" territory.

Ok, you saw Fox turn the puck over. That's fine and dandy.

X's and O's explain results, they don't supersede results.

Fox is +6 with a partner who is an unsupervised child with scissors when Fox isn't with him.

Lindgren is even at 5v5. 9 for, 9 against. Miller has been much worse.

I feel like your reaction is based on the fact that people have been beating the drum on Lindgren for at least a year, while playing "wait and see" with Miller.

Wait and see is coming to an end for me. Miller is one of the biggest offenders at this point. It's not "those two" anymore, it's "those three."

That drum is going to start getting beat now. Welcome to my concert.

I don’t really see what the fix is for this year except just continuing to play Miller with Fox and Trouba with Lindgren. Sure, he could easily trade Lindgren at some point, but he would then need to acquire another dman because Mancini has been absolutely horrendous in his ten games up here, which really isn’t his fault, the guy was playing at Nebraska this time last year, but he’s clearly not ready for the NHL.

I hope he stays in Hartford for the rest of the year.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Yeah, he just made the list.

 

[Machinehead]

I don’t really see what the fix is for this year except just continuing to play Miller with Fox and Trouba with Lindgren. Sure, he could easily trade Lindgren at some point, but he would then need to acquire another dman because Mancini has been absolutely horrendous in his ten games up here, which really isn’t his fault, the guy was playing at Nebraska this time last year, but he’s clearly not ready for the NHL.

I hope he stays in Hartford for the rest of the year.

I'm not worried about this year.

I hope we make the playoffs and maybe win a couple in overtime so everyone has fun. It's not going any further than last year did. There's too many holes in the boat. They were all already there last year.

What I'm actually worried about is whether or not they recognize it. The defense needs to be blown up. Summer of 2025 is overdue to do it. Roll with Fox, Jones, and Schneider and fill in all the remaining holes.

Half assing it isn't enough. One isn't enough. All three have to go.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

People keep saying Drury has no balls. Is it possible he just doesn't know how to build a team and make trades and that's he hasn't made one hockey move outside of some deadline pickups in his entire tenure here?

 

[17futurecap]

I'm not worried about this year.

I hope we make the playoffs and maybe win a couple in overtime so everyone has fun. It's not going any further than last year did. There's too many holes in the boat. They were all already there last year.

What I'm actually worried about is whether or not they recognize it. The defense needs to be blown up. Summer of 2025 is overdue to do it. Roll with Fox, Jones, and Schneider and fill in all the remaining holes.

Half assing it isn't enough. One isn't enough. All three have to go.

I think one of the positive traits of Drury is him not really caring about players feelings, he has that cold blood in him where this thing is probably getting torn to shreds in the summer.

Goodrow last summer and trying to dump Trouba, and not giving Lindgren his extension were all positive developments.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I think one of the positive traits of Drury is him not really caring about players feelings, he has that cold blood in him where this thing is probably getting torn to shreds in the summer.

Goodrow last summer and trying to dump Trouba, and not giving Lindgren his extension were all positive developments.

I think that's his best trait and lack of ego. But he has yet to show he can build a team.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I would concur that no big shakeup trade is happening with this team in season.

To me the only deal that in the realm of possibility in season is moving Lindgren for whatever and acquiring a LD that is competent. Doesn’t have to be a top pairing guy but it has to be someone who is better than what we’ve got. It’s the move that Drury should have made this summer but didn’t because he’s a terrible GM.

That and I think you keep Jones stapled to the lineup. Mancini might be a long term fix but he needs to just stay in Hartford and play huge minutes learning. This whole shuttling back and forth shit isn’t going to help him long term.

After the season when they presumably flame out, Trouba will be gone, Lindgren will be gone. I think you have to move a forward. If that’s Kreider than so be it.

Rempe

Ah yes, that will fix things. Rempe.

 

[GAGLine]

Complete waste of a season to ride it out with these players. That's not acceptable to me. This will be a repeat of 2015-16 or 22-23.

True or not, it seems like the most likely course for Drury. Even if he wanted to get a head start on a retool and actually set us up better going forward, does anyone believe that Dolan would allow it?

In the extreme off chance that both Drury and Dolan have the stomach to do it, it would still be incredibly difficult to pull off. I can't imagine they would be okay with giving up on this season, so they would be looking to get roster players back. Given the trade protection most of our vets have, and the list of teams that would trade for them and be willing to give up quality roster players, the odds of making a deal are slim at best.

 

[Machinehead]

I think one of the positive traits of Drury is him not really caring about players feelings, he has that cold blood in him where this thing is probably getting torn to shreds in the summer.

Goodrow last summer and trying to dump Trouba, and not giving Lindgren his extension were all positive developments.

That's true, those were positives. but I remain skeptical that's going to go far enough.

He needs to scorch the earth in regard to the bad players on this roster.

 

[Machinehead]

PSA that the Panthers rebuilt their defense in one offseason.

They turned Staal, Gudas, and Mahura into OEL, Kulikov, and Mikkola.

Nothing revolutionary, just nixing absolutely horrible players, and replacing them with guys that deserve jobs in the NHL (actually Gudas is pretty good, Marc Staal is the important part of this post).

People like to compare the rosters and say they don't see the difference on paper, but having no terrible players is just as important as having great ones.

 

[mxyxptlk]

People keep saying Drury has no balls. Is it possible he just doesn't know how to build a team and make trades and that's he hasn't made one hockey move outside of some deadline pickups in his entire tenure here?

I still believe it's cap constraints and the unmovable contracts that have held him back. Now that things are loosening up, we should get a better idea of what he can or will do.

 

[noncents]

That's quite a thing to jump to based on that data.

It's also not team rel which is entirely unserious analysis.

reaves another good example. slightly larger sample size.

i don't get why this is so controversial. to your point "there's no system for Dmen who can't skate or move the puck" - with such a poor collection of defensemen, the entire teams performance will suffer on a consistent basis. players will not be in a position, in on-ice circumstances, to create goal scoring opportunities, to register quality possession. Even if you're looking at relatuve numbers, structurally weak analytical teams create endemic weak analytical player profiles. bad players look awful, middling players look bad, good players look middling.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[Mike in Houston]

Oh wonderful.

 

[RangerBoy]

Berard with Mika?

 

[effen]

aside from the obvious, Trouba is out here posting decent offensive numbers eh?

Trouba has always had very good offensive IQ, and I imagine these charts measure positioning, keep ins, not getting his shot blocked, things like that. God knows it doesn't measure passing or skating, which he's garbage at.

 

[noncents]

My whole thing is, let me have a team that's not hot ass at every aspect of 5v5 hockey and then let's worry about hard work.

what an asinine comment. to say that effort plays no part in 5v5 result is egregious. 50/50 puck battles are exactly that.

 

[RangerBoy]

Blender

Chytil is not ready? The Rangers flew him out to Calgary and didn't play the guy.

 

[effen]

People keep saying Drury has no balls. Is it possible he just doesn't know how to build a team and make trades and that's he hasn't made one hockey move outside of some deadline pickups in his entire tenure here?

People with 8th grade educations have built successful hockey teams. Let's not go crazy here.

It's just a lot of variance. The entire league does the same stuff.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Trouba has always had very good offensive IQ, and I imagine these charts measure positioning, keep ins, not getting his shot blocked, things like that. God knows it doesn't measure passing or skating, which he's garbage at.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

People keep saying Drury has no balls. Is it possible he just doesn't know how to build a team and make trades and that's he hasn't made one hockey move outside of some deadline pickups in his entire tenure here?

He did make moves when he first arrived ... we'll always have the Buchnevich trade.

My guess is that like all the other GMs, he is constrained by a need to keep winning now.

 

[Machinehead]

reaves another good example. slightly larger sample size.

i don't get why this is so controversial. to your point "there's no system for Dmen who can't skate or move the puck" - with such a poor collection of defensemen, the entire teams performance will suffer on a consistent basis. players will not be in a position, in on-ice circumstances, to create goal scoring opportunities, to register quality possession. Even if you're looking at relatuve numbers, structurally weak analytical teams create endemic weak analytical player profiles. bad players look awful, middling players look bad, good players look middling.

I literally don't care about Ryan Reaves LMAO

 

[Machinehead]

what an asinine comment. to say that effort plays no part in 5v5 result is egregious. 50/50 puck battles are exactly that.

Yeah, talent has nothing to do with it.