Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[SA16]

You'd trade Perreault but not Edstrom?

He also wants a "Stud LD" on a bargain deal without trading any of the good young roster players. Keeping in mind that there are five players who are LD make 4.0-4.5M for 4+ years and they are Graves, M. Anderson, M. Pettersson, McCabe, Leddy. So good luck.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

could have had Chychrun this summer.... of course he's already injured lol. but still, 50 games of him is better than 82 of whatever else we have

 

[Machinehead]

could have had Chychrun this summer.... of course he's already injured lol. but still, 50 games of him is better than 82 of whatever else we have

It was rumored that Chychrun didn't have much interest in coming here.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Perreault should not be in play.

We are strong on the wing but our quality of depth on LD is non existent.
It appears that the organization has no faith in Scanlin because they put him back on the right side in Hartford.
I know there is a hope that Perrault is a can’t miss. I won’t speak to the merit of that argument but the whole point of our fellow posters who are deep in the weeds on amateur hockey is that you draft the best player available and then trade from strength to fill needs.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Was curious to how a certain former Ranger that many were clamoring for last year was doing.

He's become the Ryan Lindgren of forwards.

While credit should be given to him for making it back and playing as many game as he has, hip resurfacing surgery remains undefeated.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

You'd trade Perreault but not Edstrom?

if you think back to 94 when the team purged talent for bottom six to construct a team that won the cup the organization needs these type of players to pin the other teams forwards in their own zone.
We are strong on the wing but our quality of depth on LD is non existent.
It appears that the organization has no faith in Scanlin because they put him back on the right side in Hartford.
I know there is a hope that Perrault is a can’t miss. I won’t speak to the merit of that argument but the whole point of our fellow posters who are deep in the weeds on amateur hockey is that you draft the best player available and then trade from strength to fill needs.

 

[haveandare]

Riley Smith is looking like a smart pickup. Guy kinda does it all.

 

[noncents]

Trade Perreault, now i've heard it all.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We are strong on the wing but our quality of depth on LD is non existent.
It appears that the organization has no faith in Scanlin because they put him back on the right side in Hartford.
I know there is a hope that Perrault is a can’t miss. I won’t speak to the merit of that argument but the whole point of our fellow posters who are deep in the weeds on amateur hockey is that you draft the best player available and then trade from strength to fill needs.

Laf is the only winger on the roster signed for more than the next 2 seasons and Cuylle is the only other one currently on the roster who is RFA controlled for more than 2.

The depth may be there now, but it isn't going to be there for much longer. Trading Perreault is a bad idea for many reasons, but mostly because they're going to need productive ELC players to off set the bigger contracts (Laf, Fox, what Igor is likely going to get.)

The FO screwed the pooch by not solving their Lindgren problem this offseason. They don't need a young stud LD, they just needed someone who is capable of reliably handling top 4 minutes and isn't a detriment at both ends of the ice. Those guys were available but instead we've got a 4.5 million dollar guy who might as well just be a rut in the ice. Sean Walker (who many of us wanted to take a look at) is making a million less and can reliably play both sides while being 100x the player.

 

[Machinehead]

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Was curious to how a certain former Ranger that many were clamoring for last year was doing.

He's become the Ryan Lindgren of forwards.

While credit should be given to him for making it back and playing as many game as he has, hip resurfacing surgery remains undefeated.

I don't know when that hip thing started but Kane hasn't been good since 2016.

 

[McRanger92]

We're 11 games into the season. The team defense has been really soft and Igor's hot start (which he needed for contract leverage) has covered for a lot of that but isnt this to be expected? This is a better team on paper than the one that won the President's Trophy last year, and by my eye, outside of the last few games, the Rangers are generating much better at 5v5. Healthy Chytil, the long awaited addition of Reilly Smith and guys like Cuylle and Edstrom making an impact all have contributed. Everyone at forward has gotten off to a pretty good start, (even if Mika is an infuriating player to watch now, hes a PP/PK specialist who is essentially a PPG). Laf is a star.

Long term I see the defense as a question mark. Theyve been too soft with this main 5 to get past Tampa and Florida. Why think this year will be different? Trouba has looked more steady but all parties know this year is it for him. Schneider is pretty untouchable to me, he is ready to step in full time to that top 4 role and he's already doing it out of necessity on his off side. Mancini looks like Schneider as a rookie with better puck skills. They are set down the right side with Emery coming behind as well.

The left side is the big issue Drury needs to deal with. Lindgren and Miller are both in need of new contracts this summer. Has either played like a guy you want to pay? Lindgren, I think has looked better in the small sample size as a 3rd pair PK specialist. I liked the agitator role he played against Brady Tkachuk the other day. That is where he is most useful. Miller just always leaves me wanting more, he's not bad but there's more potential there that he just has not reached. Needs to play bigger & harder in all facets. But he's a top 4 D man and Id give him what we gave Brady Skjei (5x5+). I personally think Drury needs to consolidate assets to upgrade on one of them (Lindgren preferably) for a veteran lefty who can be a part of this Fox/Lafreniere core going forward. Essentially what Trocheck's addition was for the forward group, on defense. I haven't really identified who that player might be in my head yet but I think that's the move the Rangers need to make to take the next step.

 

[will1066]

It was rumored that Chychrun didn't have much interest in coming here.

Smart fella

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Laf is the only winger on the roster signed for more than the next 2 seasons and Cuylle is the only other one currently on the roster who is RFA controlled for more than 2.

The depth may be there now, but it isn't going to be there for much longer. Trading Perreault is a bad idea for many reasons, but mostly because they're going to need productive ELC players to off set the bigger contracts (Laf, Fox, what Igor is likely going to get.)

The FO screwed the pooch by not solving their Lindgren problem this offseason. They don't need a young stud LD, they just needed someone who is capable of reliably handling top 4 minutes and isn't a detriment at both ends of the ice. Those guys were available but instead we've got a 4.5 million dollar guy who might as well just be a rut in the ice. Sean Walker (who many of us wanted to take a look at) is making a million less and can reliably play both sides while being 100x the player.

I agree with you on Lindgren out Walker in but the organization seems lost when it comes to addressing the defense.
As I posted before what is the reason why Scanlin is playing RD in Hartford?
Traditionally it takes longer to develop d men. What’s the plan. It appears that other teams have started to lock up pending 25/26 UFA defensemen.
We have very little draft capital. I believe one of the few paths that remain is trading for a solid young LD. That’s going to cost assets.
If it happens to be anyone other then Cuylle
Lafreniere
Chytil
Edstrom
Then so be it.
Once again I’ve been told for so many years by people like yourself who follow the amateur circuit come draft time is to always take the BPA.
The reason that is given is then you can trade from strength to address a need.
The need is LD.
You yourself just recently posted that there are 9 better forwards in Hartford that are better than Matt Rempe (who at 22 has already played in over 30 NHL games) if this is true how many more Rangers prospects that haven’t turned pro are better?
To me that signals a great pool of forward depth.
If it takes a package of one of Othmann or Perrault and a d-man then so be it.

Trade Perreault, now i've heard it all.

Not that Chicago would do it but you wouldn’t package Perrault for Vlasic?

 

[Chytilmania]

Othmann + Jones + 1st should be packaged for top 4 LD. I only add in Jones because they don't seem to like him.

Miller - Fox
?-Schneider
Lindgren-Trouba for the rest of the year with Mancini coming in full time next season and then a vet to replace Trouba.

I don't like Trouba and Lindgren together though. Schneider deserves top 4 minutes, not 3rd pair, so IDK how to split them up.

 

[noncents]

I agree with you on Lindgren out Walker in but the organization seems lost when it comes to addressing the defense.
As I posted before what is the reason why Scanlin is playing RD in Hartford?
Traditionally it takes longer to develop d men. What’s the plan. It appears that other teams have started to lock up pending 25/26 UFA defensemen.
We have very little draft capital. I believe one of the few paths that remain is trading for a solid young LD. That’s going to cost assets.
If it happens to be anyone other then Cuylle
Lafreniere
Chytil
Edstrom
Then so be it.
Once again I’ve been told for so many years by people like yourself who follow the amateur circuit come draft time is to always take the BPA.
The reason that is given is then you can trade from strength to address a need.
The need is LD.
You yourself just recently posted that there are 9 better forwards in Hartford that are better than Matt Rempe (who at 22 has already played in over 30 NHL games) if this is true how many more Rangers prospects that haven’t turned pro are better?
To me that signals a great pool of forward depth.
If it takes a package of one of Othmann or Perrault and a d-man then so be it.


Not that Chicago would do it but you wouldn’t package Perrault for Vlasic?

this guy would have traded panarin for saad, trading from a position of strength.


Perreault is the all time record holder for points scored in a season in USNTDP. More than Matthews. More than Hughes. More than Kane.

you want to trade from w position of strength? Trade cuylle. he's an awesome piece but you can find what he brings.

 

[majordomo]

It was rumored that Chychrun didn't have much interest in coming here.

Interesting.....so someone else DID read/hear this.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Just need somebody to confirm for me so I don't feel like I'm losing my mind.

Didn't we look as good as we have in years before Lindgren got back? We were dominating, right? I feel like that's already been forgotten.

 

[Levitate]

Just need somebody to confirm for me so I don't feel like I'm losing my mind.

Didn't we look as good as we have in years before Lindgren got back? We were dominating, right? I feel like that's already been forgotten.

eh I mean they played some mediocre teams and Toronto.

That said it's only been like 10 games so getting all hyped one way or the other is pointless.

However I continue to feel pain in my heart over what Fox could have been if this team wasn't insistent on chaining him to Lindgren and watching him sink

 

[Harbour Dog]

eh I mean they played some mediocre teams and Toronto.

That said it's only been like 10 games so getting all hyped one way or the other is pointless.

However I continue to feel pain in my heart over what Fox could have been if this team wasn't insistent on chaining him to Lindgren and watching him sink

Fair, but we've also played mediocre teams in the last two, and gotten shelled.

One would think the most obvious place to look for a solution to our current problems would be to stop playing the guy with a broken jaw, abysmal possession numbers, and umpteen failed eye tests. Or at least leave him on the 3rd pair where he can warrior it up without causing as much damage.

This is like watching the same shitty horror movie on repeat for the 10th time in a row, just hoping that this time they'll realize their mistakes and stop getting killed in the same stupid way everytime.

 

[Levitate]

Fair, but we've also played mediocre teams in the last two, and gotten shelled.

One would think the most obvious place to look for a solution to our current problems would be to stop playing the guy with a broken jaw, abysmal possession numbers, and umpteen failed eye tests. Or at least leave him on the 3rd pair where he can warrior it up without causing as much damage.

This is like watching the same shitty horror movie on repeat for the 10th time in a row, just hoping that this time they'll realize their mistakes and stop getting killed in the same stupid way everytime.

yeah despite his flaws I'll take Miller up there with Fox any day

Even if we're gonnna say "yeah we should keep Lindgren in the lineup he brings something" they should at least let him heal all the way so he doesn't have to use that helmet which further hinders his already meager skills

 

[NYR Viper]

There were a few players I would have liked this off-season as UFA's who I thought would have been nice additions but all of those guys were incredibly overpaid in either term or cap hit. Brenden Dillon, Matt Roy, Sean Walker.

I would not have been enamored with signing any of these guys to long term deals at their cap hits and removing Lindgren from the equation. I truly think Drury had plans to try to upgrade that spot but the contracts were insane and he selected to punt until next offseason (hence the 1 year deal for Lindgren).

The problem is, next off-season, apart from Provorov, Chychrun, Gavrikov and maybe Petersson, the list of UFA d-men is pretty poor. Now that may work in Drury's favor when he trades Trouba but in terms of a LD replacement...

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Getting Kreider away from Mika is the first step in creating a better organized lineup. 2nd step is to leave Jones in the lineup. 3rd is to put Mika with Cuylle and Smith, kreider Chytil Kakko, panarin trochek laf, and Enstrom Carrick Vesey. Ignore the salaries and past performances, play your best players in the best spot to win

 

[noncents]

did we get an answer on why isles pgt got locked?

 

[NYR Viper]

Getting Kreider away from Mika is the first step in creating a better organized lineup. 2nd step is to leave Jones in the lineup. 3rd is to put Mika with Cuylle and Smith, kreider Chytil Kakko, panarin trochek laf, and Enstrom Carrick Vesey. Ignore the salaries and past performances, play your best players in the best spot to win

In fairness, the top-9 forwards, generally, are pretty even in terms of ES TOI so juggling the lines at 5v5 isn't that big of a deal.

 

[Machinehead]

did we get an answer on why isles pgt got locked?

What were we gonna say in there that we're not saying in here?

I get the negativity based on the team's play, but if we're going to be negative after a win, we can talk about how the roster sucks in the roster building thread.