Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[kovazub94]

Sounds like you’re the only one outraged here. Calm down dude. I didn’t insult your great ancestors. I disagreed with you on a hockey forum.

Trouba was unmovable, so not harping on that one. Lindgren could’ve been traded for draft capital and we could’ve had our pick of replacement level UFA for 1-2 Mil to play bottom pair. That’s the same caliber player as Ryan Lindgren for less than half the cost. Hell, we picked Gustafson up off the trash heap last year and he was better than Lindgren for 1/4 the cost.

if that happened, we would be in much better position to keep Mancini up, we would already have started accruing cap space for the deadline, and we would have more draft capital to trade for help at the deadline. It was absolutely malpractice not to move Lindgren in the offseason.

I’ve been a defender of Drury, but he really dropped the ball by not moving Lindgren .

Please don’t gaslight me. Here’s from your post I responded to:

“A secondary negative consequence of Drury failing to move Lindgren or Trouba this past summer.

Mancini has been better than Lindgren at a quarter of the price but we have to play Lindgren because of mismanagement. This is the kind of shit that stunts player development. Hard to keep up your self confidence when you don't even get rewarded for playing well.”

So again, please show me where you mentioned Mancini this summer?
Also the confidence thing is a lols - if Mancini were so fragile maybe he’s right for NHL altogether, no?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Please don’t gaslight me. Here’s from your post I responded to:

“A secondary negative consequence of Drury failing to move Lindgren or Trouba this past summer.

Mancini has been better than Lindgren at a quarter of the price but we have to play Lindgren because of mismanagement. This is the kind of shit that stunts player development. Hard to keep up your self confidence when you don't even get rewarded for playing well.”

So again, please show me where you mentioned Mancini this summer?
Also the confidence thing is a lols - if Mancini were so fragile maybe he’s right for NHL altogether, no?

I didn’t. That’s why I said SECONDARY negative consequences. Again, relax, it’s not all about you. You’re gonna give yourself a heart attack.

If Drury would have done the obvious right thing in moving Lindgren and backfilling through free agency, we would be in much better shape right now with the cap, and draft capital.

That’s independent of Mancini breaking out. the fact that Lindgren is now blocking what looks like a good young player is a secondary negative effect of that mismanagement.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Mancini Mania, it’s Linsane. Just glad we have a great kid to step into a RD role, one less problem.

 

[majordomo]

I didn’t. That’s why I said SECONDARY negative consequences. Again, relax, it’s not all about you. You’re gonna give yourself a heart attack.

If Drury would have done the obvious right thing in moving Lindgren and backfilling through free agency, we would be in much better shape right now with the cap, and draft capital.

That’s independent of Mancini breaking out. the fact that Lindgren is now blocking what looks like a good young player is a secondary negative effect of that mismanagement.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that Lindgren was still recovering from his season ending injury. I can't imagine any team trading any assets for him (no matter how minor) without some indication that he was a functioning player again.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that Lindgren was still recovering from his season ending injury. I can't imagine any team trading any assets for him (no matter how minor) without some indication that he was a functioning player again.

I disagree. I do think there was (and still is) a market out there for him.

 

[majordomo]

I disagree. I do think there was (and still is) a market out there for him.

We can agree to disagree. I still believe Drury signed him so that he could up his trade value.

 

[McRanger92]

Lindgren is an undersized 3rd pair PK specialist on any team that isnt the Rangers. He doesnt have any significant trade value. The Rangers best bet in a potential trade is taking advantage of a team that values his intangibles.

 

[GAGLine]

Lindgren is an undersized 3rd pair PK specialist on any team that isnt the Rangers. He doesnt have any significant trade value. The Rangers best bet in a potential trade is taking advantage of a team that values his intangibles.

I can't see him being traded. He's more of a self-rental. Our defensive depth isn't great as it is. Drury isn't going to further weaken it.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Lindgren is an undersized 3rd pair PK specialist on any team that isnt the Rangers. He doesnt have any significant trade value. The Rangers best bet in a potential trade is taking advantage of a team that values his intangibles.

I think the “warrior” label is why there would be a market for him. Even though I don’t disagree with the 3rd pair caliber assessment, he was playing 1st pair minutes. By the virtue of that fact I believe he has higher trade value than maybe he should.

There are plenty of “character, things and stuff” GMs out there who would want to add a guy like that. Especially with a year of salary control which we can no longer use as leverage

 

[McRanger92]

I can't see him being traded. He's more of a self-rental. Our defensive depth isn't great as it is. Drury isn't going to further weaken it.

Probably right. They could trade him for an upgrade though. Jones and Ruhwedel are good depth with Mancini and an actual top 4 LD in the mix.

 

[GAGLine]

Probably right. They could trade him for an upgrade though. Jones and Ruhwedel are good depth with Mancini and an actual top 4 LD in the mix.

The only teams that would trade us an upgrade are ones who will miss the playoffs. Why would any of those teams want Lindgren, who will be a pending UFA?

Maybe there's a bigger deal to be made where we get a young, cost-controlled dman and Lindgren is simply part of the cap balancing, but there's no way he'd be a main part of the deal.

 

[McRanger92]

The only teams that would trade us an upgrade are ones who will miss the playoffs. Why would any of those teams want Lindgren, who will be a pending UFA?

Maybe there's a bigger deal to be made where we get a young, cost-controlled dman and Lindgren is simply part of the cap balancing, but there's no way he'd be a main part of the deal.

I mean Lindgren is still only 26. A bottom feeder team theoretically might have a need for a long term answer for his defensive play and leadership. It really is a shame because if Lindgren was 3 inches taller he'd be perfect.

 

[TGWL]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848427640807436298

Need to take better one-timers if he wants Zibanejad's spot...

 

[duhmetreE]

Which top 4 LHD are we acquiring?

Chychrun should have been the guy.

Now? it's slim pickings unfortunately. Maybe coerce Vegas into moving Theodore? A guy like Walman from San Jose?

 

[TGWL]

I had a dream last night that we made the 12.5m offer to Shesterkin and he signed at 1:00pm today with a scheduled press conference. I hate having nightmares...

 

[GAGLine]

Chychrun should have been the guy.

Now? it's slim pickings unfortunately. Maybe coerce Vegas into moving Theodore? A guy like Walman from San Jose?

Both Chychrun and Theodore will likely cost too much on their next contract. We might be able to fit Walman, who has 1 year left on his contract @ 3.4 mil.

 

[hardnosed]

Way to get baselessly outraged! This is the second time I see this hindsight 20/20 post on this “mismanagement” point in the last two days. Please show me your posts or for that matter anyone’s this summer who penciled Mancini into the the varsity roster (bern doesn’t count).

If Drury were to move Trouba / Lindgren this summer do you think for a second he wouldn’t go out and find immediate replacement?

Miller - Fox
X - Schneider
Jones - X

Where Xs would be players brought from outside. And you know what you’d do - be outraged that Drury got them and them blocking Mancini now. Good luck!

There were guys on here that wanted to replace Lindgren or Trouba this summer from within, not with Mancini but with Scanlin. That didn't work out too well.

 

[IDvsEGO]

There were guys on here that wanted to replace Lindgren or Trouba this summer from within, not with Mancini but with Scanlin. That didn't work out too well.

I think people would be surprised that there’s actually a talent gap between Trouba/Lindgren and a guy like scanlin, and how bad that would end up being.

 

[kovazub94]

There were guys on here that wanted to replace Lindgren or Trouba this summer from within, not with Mancini but with Scanlin. That didn't work out too well.

I bet these guys watched 5% of Scanlin's games over whatever reasonable stretch.

 

[effen]

There were guys on here that wanted to replace Lindgren or Trouba this summer from within, not with Mancini but with Scanlin. That didn't work out too well.

*Waves hands unconvincingly*

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Sure the problem is more he’s not good at the defensive zone, so you can pin him there, and a defenseman doesn’t fear him in the offensive zone because he can’t really open ice hit.

Our 4th line gets pinned no matter who is on the right side depending on who they get caught on the ice with. It's been like that for years, swapping rempe for Brodz or whoever doesn't change that, and personally i dont find the line any different in their own end at all. It's just something that was made up because "Rempe big goon, no can hockey him". He's really no different from anyone else that had played 4th line for us since Dom Moore and Boyle were here. 2. Rempe absolutely puts fear in dmen on the forecheck, players want nothing to do with him barreling behind him.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Our 4th line gets pinned no matter who is on the right side depending on who they get caught on the ice with. It's been like that for years, swapping rempe for Brodz or whoever doesn't change that, and personally i dont find the line any different in their own end at all. It's just something that was made up because "Rempe big goon, no can hockey him". He's really no different from anyone else that had played 4th line for us since Dom Moore and Boyle were here. 2. Rempe absolutely puts fear in dmen on the forecheck, players want nothing to do with him barreling behind him.

Swapping brodz for him gives significantly better results.
They’re a positive line based on the data.
The rempe line hasn’t even played enough minutes to look at the data yet. But I’d assume they’re not positive.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think people would be surprised that there’s actually a talent gap between Trouba/Lindgren and a guy like scanlin, and how bad that would end up being.

There’s also a talent gap between Trouba and Lindgren despite them now being paired together as the problem children. If Lindgren is given extended time away from Fox that is going to become obvious even to his strongest supporters, though I'm sure he's going to get to lean on the injury excuse for a while.

I'm not trying to paint Trouba as good either, but I know Trouba can handle bottom pair minutes (not good given his contract, but it is what it is at this point), I don't think Lindgren can handle any thing with out Fox - and he couldn't even paired with Fox last year.

But yeah, Scanlin is bad. My preference would have been to move Lindgren and replace him with a player not in the organization but for what ever reason the FO was hell bent on addressing Trouba first. Lindgren was the easier and more urgent move.

 

[IDvsEGO]

There’s also a talent gap between Trouba and Lindgren despite them now being paired together as the problem children. If Lindgren is given extended time away from Fox that is going to become obvious even to his strongest supporters, though I'm sure he's going to get to lean on the injury excuse for a while.

I'm not trying to paint Trouba as good either, but I know Trouba can handle bottom pair minutes (not good given his contract, but it is what it is at this point), I don't think Lindgren can handle any thing with out Fox - and he couldn't even paired with Fox last year.

But yeah, Scanlin is bad. My preference would have been to move Lindgren and replace him with a player not in the organization but for what ever reason the FO was hell bent on addressing Trouba first. Lindgren was the easier and more urgent move.

I think Lindgren hasn’t been healthy in years and the question is can he be effective if healthy. He’s not even 27 and shouldn’t have fallen off a cliff yet.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Swapping brodz for him gives significantly better results.
They’re a positive line based on the data.
The rempe line hasn’t even played enough minutes to look at the data yet. But I’d assume they’re not positive.

If we're using xGF% as our model then in their minutes together they're still in the green (a shade over 7:30 and at 52%) the TOI is so low though so they're a good shift or bad shift away from tilting the ratio heavily in either direction.

But 52% is impressive considering that the trio of Rempe-Carrick-Edstrom has attempted exactly 2 shots when playing together to 11 against, but that also suggests that they'd almost certainly trend down if given more ice.

With Brodzinski in for Rempe, they're out attempting their opponents 25-20 and have an xGF% of 61%.

Brodzinski annoys the piss out of me, he over skates everything and neither his brain or his hands can keep up with his feet but the 4th line has just objectively been better with him on it vs Rempe. Given what we have on the roster now he's the easy choice but I'd actually like it if we upgraded on both. Rempe is fine as a 13th forward who can handle shenanigans should they arise against teams that enjoy shenanigans but he isn't likely to ever be someone who can be relied on to be an every day player. People need to separate the idea of what he could be from what he actually is right now.