Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[IDvsEGO]

See your argument is largely based on the availability of a path via RFA offer sheet which is by and large not a thing in today’s NHL, mostly a small exception to the rule. The only real path for Kakko is to work with Drury and wait until he gets more control over his career (in a business sense) as he gets closer to becoming a UFA.

Except we just saw 2 RFA's sign offers this off-season with players who are both far less than Kakko.

If a player truly is willing to go elsewhere, theres no rush to sign the deal. Theres no harm in waiting till the RFA window is open. He could've signed his deal 3 days after the window with zero offers.

 

[kovazub94]

He’s still RFA at season’s end… he can’t just move on. And why would the team want that? The fact is he’s not a liability at his current cap hit and if we resign him he still wont be. He’s going to get a contract commensurate with his performance this year. A young player getting paid correctly who still has some upside… He makes ZERO sense as a cap dump. Trouba, Lindgren, Zibs (if not for his NMC)… players not living up to their contract. Players that are past their peak. That’s who get salary dumped. Kakko even in his current form is an ASSET with further upside. If he’s moved it won’t be a cap dump. And if it helps the team none of us will be opposed to it.

See my reply to @IDvsEGO - the issue is that in a year he’s going to be only one year removed from UFA and in control of his destiny where probably he doesn’t see himself as a 3rd line defensive specialist.

Except we just saw 2 RFA's sign offers this off-season with players who are both far less than Kakko.

If a player truly is willing to go elsewhere, theres no rush to sign the deal. Theres no harm in waiting till the RFA window is open. He could've signed his deal 3 days after the window with zero offers.

Yeah exactly two which proves my point - it’s an exception rather than a rule.

 

[IDvsEGO]

See my reply to @IDvsEGO - the issue is that in a year he’s going to be only one year removed from UFA and in control of his destiny where probably he doesn’t see himself as a 3rd line defensive specialist.


Yeah exactly two which proves my point - it’s an exception rather than a rule.

Sure those are the exceptions, but if he wasn't happy with the entire concept of the deal (money + location + opportunity) he wouldn't have signed as early as he did.
Your entire argument is that no one signs offer sheets, and yeah its rare. We also never hear how many get offered and not signed. He entirely sidestepped that potential.

 

[zlev]

when Lindgren comes back why not do a 7 man rotation on defense? let these guys get some rest so they're not all hurt in the playoffs. maybe only rest Fox once every 2nd time through. we now have 7 NHL defensemen, why not take advantage of it?

 

[GAGLine]

when Lindgren comes back why not do a 7 man rotation on defense? let these guys get some rest so they're not all hurt in the playoffs. maybe only rest Fox once every 2nd time through. we now have 7 NHL defensemen, why not take advantage of it?

If we are keeping Mancini up, one of the forwards will have to go down, and I don't think they'll do that while Vesey is out.

 

[bhamill]

See my reply to @IDvsEGO - the issue is that in a year he’s going to be only one year removed from UFA and in control of his destiny where probably he doesn’t see himself as a 3rd line defensive specialist.


Yeah exactly two which proves my point - it’s an exception rather than a rule.

Hey. You’re welcome to your opinion. I have nothing to add to what I’ve already said. We shall see what happens.

 

[BBKers]

I think Jones is proving to be a very good player. Maybe not entirely built for playoff hockey - but he does good stuff on every shift against the bottom 16 in the league.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

We knew this last year, it really was ridiculous that Rempe played in the playoffs and Edstrom didn't.

Typical marketing uber alles shit

 

[bhamill]

Typical marketing uber alles shit

That makes no sense. In the regular season, maybe? In the playoffs? No f***ing way. They are going to have a full house every night and are going to ice the team they THINK has the best chance to win. Even if not everyone agrees with that choice.
As far as Edstrom, he didn’t look THIS good last year. He took a bigger step over the summer than Rempe did. Said he feels MUCH stronger. He’s close to a finished product now at 24.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Obviously opinions differ. The coaches seem comfortable putting him in the lineup. No one has a gun to Laviolette's head to dress Rempe...
Is the coach always right about players' ability to help win games? Hell no. Hahaha. But a lot more often than fans on message boards are...

They don't seem comfortable playing him a lot. He's been in the lineup once over the first four games.

 

[bhamill]

They don't seem comfortable playing him a lot. He's been in the lineup once over the first four games.

Well Edstrom has shown up this year a step ahead of him IMO.
I’m not implying Rempe is an everyday player (on this team), he’s a work in progress. If they weren’t comfortable playing him though, he wouldn’t be playing at all.
Personally, I think if he’s going to play less than half the games here he might be better served in Hartford.

 

[leetch99]

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Well Edstrom has shown up this year a step ahead of him IMO.
I’m not implying Rempe is an everyday player (on this team), he’s a work in progress. If they weren’t comfortable playing him though, he wouldn’t be playing at all.
Personally, I think if he’s going to play less than half the games here he might be better served in Hartford.

In Hartford the new kids and the old goons will line up every game to fight him...he would lose a lot as that is where the real goons are and they will want another notch on their respective belts . He would end up hurt and that serves no purpose . He needs to remain in NY as long as possible . If we had a 5 game losing streak and he was responsible for most of them losses....then he needs to be sent down . As long as the club is rolling good...he should stay up and get some extra skills work and edge work in practice and after practice .

 

[Fitzy]

I'll give you all 3 guesses why a coach with over 800 career NHL wins isn't dressing a fighter who doesn't play hockey at an NHL level.

 

[Crease]

Edstrom proves that there’s more to being a big hockey player. Rempe is not there yet.

 

[bhamill]

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In Hartford the new kids and the old goons will line up every game to fight him...he would lose a lot as that is where the real goons are and they will want another notch on their respective belts . He would end up hurt and that serves no purpose . He needs to remain in NY as long as possible . If we had a 5 game losing streak and he was responsible for most of them losses....then he needs to be sent down . As long as the club is rolling good...he should stay up and get some extra skills work and edge work in practice and after practice .

He did just fine down there before as a raw willing 6’7” target. And he’s bigger stronger and has better balance now. Plus he can always say no when it doesn’t suit him. I’m really not worried he’ll get hurt down there. I’m fine with whichever path they choose for him, but if he’s playing less than 6 mins a game and not even half the games, I do not see that being optimal for his development.

I'll give you all 3 guesses why a coach with over 800 career NHL wins isn't dressing a fighter who doesn't play hockey at an NHL level.

And I’ll give you three why a coach with over 800 career wins does…
It seems he’ll mostly rotate Brodz (away) and Rempe (home, with control of matchups) till Vesey comes back.

 

[IDvsEGO]

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In Hartford the new kids and the old goons will line up every game to fight him...he would lose a lot as that is where the real goons are and they will want another notch on their respective belts . He would end up hurt and that serves no purpose . He needs to remain in NY as long as possible . If we had a 5 game losing streak and he was responsible for most of them losses....then he needs to be sent down . As long as the club is rolling good...he should stay up and get some extra skills work and edge work in practice and after practice .

so the rangers should suddenly prioritize the development of a guy who's ceiling is bottom 6 forward?
While we're trying to win games this year, we should be ok with him causing us to lose games, so long as its not "a 5 game losing streak that he directly causes"

The rangers are not developing anyone who isn't already a regular NHL player, nor should they.
If he needs development he goes to the AHL. if he can't figure out how not to fight, then he shouldn't be in the NHL anyways.

 

[IDvsEGO]

And I’ll give you three why a coach with over 800 career wins does…
It seems he’ll mostly rotate Brodz (away) and Rempe (home, with control of matchups) till Vesey comes back.

I dont care what he does now, and rotating brodz in is absolutely fine. The brodz line has been much stronger. The one game he did play was our worst defensive game, not saying those were his fault, as Utah is doing much better than expected, but he's only played 1 game so lets see if not being able to play the 4th evenly leads to higher scoring games because the top 9 skates alot more.

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

I'll give you all 3 guesses why a coach with over 800 career NHL wins isn't dressing a fighter who doesn't play hockey at an NHL level.

Maybe people can loosen their grips on their pearl necklaces now and drop the doom & gloom that this team is, in fact, not blind to the fact that he's not an every day NHLer right now.

I said around pre-season, Rempe gets in about 30-35 games this season and almost exclusively for 1) heavyweight matchups, 2) if the opposing team has someone playing an absolutely unhinged brand of hockey, 3) when this team needs a wakeup call and to get the adrenaline flowing during a lull. People acted like he was going to take ice time away from Panarin on the PP.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I love Igor but he has to accept that 11 mill offer, this is pretty ridiculous. Every other high level goalie that signed recently with their own team signed in the 8's. There's no argument for Igor to make 12.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It's really too bad we have trade protection in mika's contract, with the way Petterson is in Vancouver you never know if a mika + deal could be had and do another Derek brassard trade. Petterson looks lost, uninterested, if you could bring him here and drop him with panarin and laf it would be gold. Unfortunately we hand out ntc like candy

We don't even need Rempe just to have a fighter given Sam Carrick already has the third most fights over the last 3 years.

Carrick vs Reaves should be an adventure.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Maybe people can loosen their grips on their pearl necklaces now and drop the doom & gloom that this team is, in fact, not blind to the fact that he's not an every day NHLer right now.

I said around pre-season, Rempe gets in about 30-35 games this season and almost exclusively for 1) heavyweight matchups, 2) if the opposing team has someone playing an absolutely unhinged brand of hockey, 3) when this team needs a wakeup call and to get the adrenaline flowing during a lull. People acted like he was going to take ice time away from Panarin on the PP.

I dont think anyone is clutching pearls. There are people on here and in other media (please see Brooks, Larry) shoving his existence down our throats, and asking questions about why is he not playing.

Those of us who understand that modern hockey means a player like him shouldn't be playing more than 25-30 games, and even then only if the other team is also playing that stupid style of hockey.

When Vesey comes back, he should be the first one down.
If edstrom goes down, i'll be furious. He's earned a regular spot and is in fact a very good 4th line player (the type we've been needing for years and we have traded for over and over for).

The same with Miller and fox, we've been asking for them to be a pair for years. We finally get it, and the results have been overwhelmingly positive, and now people are screaming to move miller (because he does make the occasional bad play). We respond to the general fan because unfortunately the general fan is brain dead and doesn't seem to understand that 1 bad play in 10 shifts is worth it when you have 5 great shifts and 4 above average shifts.

 

[Synergy27]

There really isn’t much to this.

Brooks writes about Rempe because he drives “engagement”. That’s how media measures itself nowadays.

Rempe, for all of his lack of hockey skills, has “rizz” in spades. He’s a fun story. People enjoy talking about him and that’s fine.

Fine as long as the coaching staff remains smart enough to realize that he’s the 13th/14th forward. I don’t care about how many games he is playing because he’s not someone whose development should be prioritized for the club. The best case scenario for him is that he becomes a little better at doing what he is already doing.

Keep him on the bench. Let him play a few home games against heavy teams and excite the fans. Easy. Everyone happy.

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

I dont think anyone is clutching pearls. There are people on here and in other media (please see Brooks, Larry) shoving his existence down our throats, and asking questions about why is he not playing.

Those of us who understand that modern hockey means a player like him shouldn't be playing more than 25-30 games, and even then only if the other team is also playing that stupid style of hockey.

When Vesey comes back, he should be the first one down.
If edstrom goes down, i'll be furious. He's earned a regular spot and is in fact a very good 4th line player (the type we've been needing for years and we have traded for over and over for).

The same with Miller and fox, we've been asking for them to be a pair for years. We finally get it, and the results have been overwhelmingly positive, and now people are screaming to move miller (because he does make the occasional bad play). We respond to the general fan because unfortunately the general fan is brain dead and doesn't seem to understand that 1 bad play in 10 shifts is worth it when you have 5 great shifts and 4 above average shifts.

The outrage that this guy simply exists was and still is palpable before the season even started. He did something at a practice and people were having meltdowns. Now he's being scratched and people are still outraged and yes, pearl-clutching that there's a possibility that he might play at some point, maybe, eventually and that will somehow be this team's death knell - "If Edstrom gets sent down I'll be furious." What indicates that's going to happen if Rempe isn't playing now, is actively being healthy scratched, and Edstrom has played in every game so far this season? Edstrom has been playing effective hockey and continues to play. Rempe hasn't and continues to not play. "He's blocking other players!" Who? Rempe's played a single game this season. That to me doesn't scream "Rempe will play at everyone else's expense." He makes NYR's own fans lose their f***ing minds just from being alive. I can't imagine what he does to other teams.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The outrage that this guy simply exists was and still is palpable before the season even started. He did something at a practice and people were having meltdowns. Now he's being scratched and people are still outraged and yes, pearl-clutching that there's a possibility that he might play at some point, maybe, eventually and that will somehow be this team's death knell - "If Edstrom gets sent down I'll be furious." What indicates that's going to happen if Rempe isn't playing now, is actively being healthy scratched, and Edstrom has played in every game so far this season? Edstrom has been playing effective hockey and continues to play. Rempe hasn't and continues to not play. "He's blocking other players!" Who? Rempe's played a single game this season. That to me doesn't scream "Rempe will play at everyone else's expense." He makes NYR's own fans lose their f***ing minds just from being alive. I can't imagine what he does to other teams.

when vesey comes back, we will have 4 wingers for the 4th line, and someone has to go down.
Edstrom has played every game, as has carrick. Rempe has rotated with Brodz.
But Brodz and carrick have to clear waivers. Vesey is better then brodzinski.
It leaves 2 possibilities to go down to the AHL.

You see this as pearl clutching I see this as not wanting my organization to make a dumbass move.