Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Hey guys, how has Lafrenière looked with Panarin so far?

Pretty pretty good

 

[TominNC]

It's overrated, but not as much as your making it out to be. It still serves a purpose in todays game. Since Rempe has been apart of the team we haven't been bullied once. Can't say the same thing 2-3 years ago.

We weren’t bullied the previous two years either.

He played one game so far and his minutes got screwed up because Edstrom got kicked out of the game. I don't care that he's a face puncher, I think there's more to him that just that but he's got something you can't teach, size. You don't have to be condescending about it. But if they decide he'd be better served in Hartford, that's cool too. I just think we should be rooting for him to become a good bottom 6 guy.

Right now there are enough guys he’s not better than. And right now he’s not much more than a face puncher. Let him play half a season in Hartford and see what he does.

 

[noncents]

Edström > Rempe

deal with it

lotta people responding "well why do you have to choose between the two, it's not one vs the other"

i'm not pitting them vs one another. i'm not saying you necessarily have to choose. i'm not talking about rempe's development as a player or how best to handle it.

i'm just saying Edström is a better hockey player. and he is.

deal with it lol

 

[GAGLine]

 

[IDvsEGO]

lotta people responding "well why do you have to choose between the two, it's not one vs the other"

i'm not pitting them vs one another. i'm not saying you necessarily have to choose. i'm not talking about rempe's development as a player or how best to handle it.

i'm just saying Edström is a better hockey player. and he is.

deal with it lol

I mean we have finite roster spots. One deserves to be in the nhl, and shouldn’t be sent down when vesey is healthy, the other should be.

 

[Savant]

Hey guys, how has Lafrenière looked with Panarin so far?

Amazing. Panarin (and Trocheck) saved Lafreniere’s career

 

[JohnC]

Of course Ed Jovo thinks Rempe is good enough to be in the NHL. Guy’s on the HFNYR Mt. Rushmore of being wrong about everything.

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

He was brought up last year for his fighting. Not his hockey skills. Now he's "an NHL player". I do get annoyed that he plays over guys who can contribute to a win. We didn't need him that game. Edstrom and Carrick took care of business when necessary. Rempe watched. Maybe he "inspired" them... I doubt seriously the other guys play better because he's in the lineup. I doubt he's deterring anything.

Who is Rempe blocking from being in the lineup that would significantly contribute game-in/game-out, Brodzinski? Leschyshyn? People throw up in their mouths hearing that either player is playing on any given night. Guys like Othmann and Berard may be on the cusp of being ready, but I think they showed that the better plan is to let them steep in the AHL playing top line minutes, not 7 minutes a night with NYR. If Brodzinski/Leschyshyn/etc is the razor's edge by which this team wins or loses, there are bigger issues to address. Wouldn't you say that Rempe finding his way onto the roster at all is a flaw of the team? If the roster was better constructed, he shouldn't even be considered 13th F, yet here we are.

He is seen as a valuable player by the organization because *IF* he can take the reps he's given and it gives him the confidence/experience to actually improve his game, he'll be an absolute force. That's a dice roll I'm willing to take at the expense of 4-8 minutes of not seeing some milquetoast 4th liner who is a step above being a warm body. Does Leschyshyn get this teams blood flowing when they all look like they're boofing Ambien? Because I'd say Rempe does that. And I'd also say that does have value as well.

Best thing? If Rempe just keeps sucking at playing hockey, they can send Rempe down and go find their next Brodzinski/Leschyshyn/Carrick/Wennberg/Roslovic and play them, like every team does every season.

 

[TominNC]

Who is Rempe blocking from being in the lineup that would significantly contribute game-in/game-out, Brodzinski? Leschyshyn? People throw up in their mouths hearing that either player is playing on any given night. Guys like Othmann and Berard may be on the cusp of being ready, but I think they showed that the better plan is to let them steep in the AHL playing top line minutes, not 7 minutes a night with NYR. If Brodzinski/Leschyshyn/etc is the razor's edge by which this team wins or loses, there are bigger issues to address. Wouldn't you say that Rempe finding his way onto the roster at all is a flaw of the team? If the roster was better constructed, he shouldn't even be considered 13th F, yet here we are.

He is seen as a valuable player by the organization because *IF* he can take the reps he's given and it gives him the confidence/experience to actually improve his game, he'll be an absolute force. That's a dice roll I'm willing to take at the expense of 4-8 minutes of not seeing some milquetoast 4th liner who is a step above being a warm body. Does Leschyshyn get this teams blood flowing when they all look like they're boofing Ambien? Because I'd say Rempe does that. And I'd also say that does have value as well.

Best thing? If Rempe just keeps sucking at playing hockey, they can send Rempe down and go find their next Brodzinski/Leschyshyn/Carrick/Wennberg/Roslovic and play them, like every team does every season.

No offense, causes us to be shorthanded, doesn’t help defensively.

Fan darling because he fights

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don't think given how he is used there is much use keeping rempe over anyone else, I believe there's a spot for rempe on this team as a regular 4th line guy, the coaching staff disagrees so they may as well keep him out and play Brodz

 

[lakeshirts37]

Why do you hate Perrault? what did he ever do to you?

Also, I find it really amusing how worked up some folks get over Rempe.

Are you responding to the correct post? No idea what youre talking about

 

[Savant]

There is no reason Rempe can’t be a 4th liner if he gets officiated like a normal NHL player. That being said, if the Rangers are going to carry Rempe they are going to need more output to balance out the offense they are sacrificing

 

[grachevsceiling]

IMO people are downplaying the prospective loss of Panarin after 25-26. It could offset some of Laf’s improvement, which I think Panarin has had a big hand in. He’s also made Trocheck better. He’s crucial on the power play. Outside of Fox, he’s the hardest player on the team to replace, Shesterkin included. We all hope Perrault is that guy but, realistically, the chances are slim.

 

[TominNC]

IMO people are downplaying the prospective loss of Panarin after 25-26. It could offset some of Laf’s improvement, which I think Panarin has had a big hand in. He’s also made Trocheck better. He’s crucial on the power play. Outside of Fox, he’s the hardest player on the team to replace, Shesterkin included. We all hope Perrault is that guy but, realistically, the chances are slim.

But everyone hates him in the post season

 

[grachevsceiling]

But everyone hates him in the post season

I understand the frustration but also: 1 less goal than Matthew Tkachuk in 8 less games.

 

[mike14]

IMO people are downplaying the prospective loss of Panarin after 25-26. It could offset some of Laf’s improvement, which I think Panarin has had a big hand in. He’s also made Trocheck better. He’s crucial on the power play. Outside of Fox, he’s the hardest player on the team to replace, Shesterkin included. We all hope Perrault is that guy but, realistically, the chances are slim.

That's because we all know that we'll be replacing him with McDavid...

 

[bhamill]

Are you responding to the correct post? No idea what youre talking about

The first line was responding to the post. It was a joke/sarcasm. You put poor Gabe on a line with Zibs and Kreids whose wing is a f***in graveyard. And in two years Zibs will be even worse. Hahaha.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

There is no reason Rempe can’t be a 4th liner if he gets officiated like a normal NHL player. That being said, if the Rangers are going to carry Rempe they are going to need more output to balance out the offense they are sacrificing

…offense they are sacrificing

Team is averaging 5 goals a game over the first three.

 

[noncents]

…offense they are sacrificing

Team is averaging 5 goals a game over the first three.

over a small sample size, maybe don't focus on results too much. it seems counter intuitive but hockey is a chaotic sport.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

IMO people are downplaying the prospective loss of Panarin after 25-26. It could offset some of Laf’s improvement, which I think Panarin has had a big hand in. He’s also made Trocheck better. He’s crucial on the power play. Outside of Fox, he’s the hardest player on the team to replace, Shesterkin included. We all hope Perrault is that guy but, realistically, the chances are slim.

Meh,
Laf and Chytil (pls don't be made of glass) will be high scoring players and somewhat balance it out.

Add Perrault, who i think has the offensive talent to dish out 60 assists a season. Perrault's question is basically, can he physically handle the NHL and how does his skating develope.

Obviously I still want Kaapo to succeed. Specially with his puck control and passing.

Wish we could trade Bread at some point. xD that's what I would do. (Blockbuster trade obv.)

 

[B17 Apricots]

I guess depending on what's available via trade/free agency and internally, I'm not even against trying to re-sign Panarin after this deal. He'll be 35 when that contract starts. There's plenty of high end players that have been able to maintain that level around that age. They're projecting another +4 million jump in the salary cap next summer. When AP's deal is up in 2 years the cap will likely be up +5 million from this year. At 35 he's not getting a giant deal either.

The biggest thing for him is getting over this playoff hurdle. We know he can dominate the regular season, top 5 winger on the planet. We need more in the post-season. He was better last year but there's more to give. He was meh in the Washington and Florida series'. For whatever reason right when the playoffs started he got back into some of the bad habits from the prior couple seasons. Over handling the puck, forcing passes, not being direct. They would come back from a commercial and show the recent possession where he'd be dancing around in the ozone holding onto the puck, and Sam and Joe would be Ooing and Ahing but then at the end of the damn highlight he turns the puck over! It's almost like the playoffs came around and out comes the showman. That's not what we need, we need him to bring the same game he brought during the regular season.

If he can do that and remain a productive player in a couple years than I have no problem retaining him for something under 10. The next 2 post-seasons will be the deciding factor.

 

[bhamill]

I can't believe anyone would pit me of all people against Rempe

What? You don’t think you could take him? Pfffft.

 

[bhamill]

Because leaving him in the nhl isn’t developing him?
He’s extremely raw. There’s zero need for him to be in the nhl getting 5-6 minutes a game. The people who want him up and playing those minutes typically long for guys like rob ray, tie domi etc.
Rempe adds almost zero value in anything except hitting and fighting. And he is likely to get penalties because he’s earned a reputation for not hitting cleanly.
Putting him back in the ahl, lets him actually play real minutes and develop into an actual positive nhl player.

So the board is still pro development. We’re just consistent about it, whereas some people want face punchers and don’t care that it’s a waste of a roster spot and that he doesn’t really add value

I’m think there are positives to both paths where Rempe is concerned. It’s great for him to be around the NHL team, he seems to soak up everything he can learn about being an NHL pro. Him training with Kreider all summer, and presumably now, is IMO, very telling. It would also be great for him to get a boatload of time in the AHL, getting more game time development. Maybe more responsibility.
I like the kid, obviously, love his wrecking ball STYLE of play (his ability to execute is still coming along) and I love his attitude and work ethic. He is going to make the most of it either way. I imagine he will be up and down to try to get him both benefits, as well as to manipulate cap. He’s waiver exempt so no risk there.

 

[bhamill]

No offense, causes us to be shorthanded, doesn’t help defensively.

Fan darling because he fights

Actually Rempe hasn’t put us short handed much. Just a few times last year and I don’t think once in pre season or his one regular season game so far.
People love him for more than his fights.

He’s only 22 though and raw as hell. I’m not opposed to Hartford for him. I think moving him up and down this year would be the tact.

 

[bernmeister]

We weren’t bullied the previous two years either.

Right now there are enough guys he’s not better than. And right now he’s not much more than a face puncher. Let him play half a season in Hartford and see what he does.

each sentence completely wrong

lotta people responding "well why do you have to choose between the two, it's not one vs the other"

i'm not pitting them vs one another. i'm not saying you necessarily have to choose. i'm not talking about rempe's development as a player or how best to handle it.

i'm just saying Edström is a better hockey player. and he is.

deal with it lol

right now Eds > Rempe, he deserves those props, dat is not da prob
problem is not playing Rempe and giving his mins to Vesey, who is smaller not a pivot, and overall not better now w/zero upside to dominate, which upside Rempe has, potentially.

I mean we have finite roster spots. One deserves to be in the nhl, and shouldn’t be sent down when vesey is healthy, the other should be.

Wrong,, neither should go, both should be here and vesey should be traded Brodz is sufficient depth

There is no reason Rempe can’t be a 4th liner if he gets officiated like a normal NHL player. That being said, if the Rangers are going to carry Rempe they are going to need more output to balance out the offense they are sacrificing

Agree w/da bold, and truth ultimately prevails
if truth is refs are wrong CALL THEM OUT FOR IT

Don't forget improving upside on 4th line offense [tho scoring is not what they are there for], remember 4th line primary duty is defense, and Rempe is better at that than any other option. When he lands checks, you feel it, and players having to adjust on the fly to avoid getting bonecrushed is also a plus, even if hard to see