Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[SnowblindNYR]

You have less of a chance to possess the puck if your positioning is bad, your IQ is bad, your are weak on yoir stick, etc. I get what you are saying but there are a thousand things that lead to “puck possession” in the first place.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. He said to start the season possession was better. So if we treat that as a given our positioning was better, our IQ was better, and we were stronger on our sticks.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Maybe Drury should trade Lindgren for McDavid? Oilers could add a pick to sweeten the deal

 

[grachevsceiling]

We’re not a great possession team, partially for the same reason our D looks terrible many nights, IMO.

Our forwards are lazy.

Most of our guys don’t really like doing “the hard parts” of the game. And that, IMO, is the biggest reason this group simply won’t win as configured. The total testosterone in the locker room is probably 30% lower than it needs to be for this exact same group to win it all. It’s not skill or ability that’s lacking.

Why is “less testosterone” a proxy for “lazy” in your post? Sexism is lazy. Work harder.

And before you say something like “don’t be so easily offended”—I’m not offended. I just don’t want you to make the rest of your argument, which has some merit, appear…flaccid.

 

[noncents]

Why is “less testosterone” a proxy for “lazy” in your post? Sexism is lazy. Work harder.

And before you say something like “don’t be so easily offended”—I’m not offended. I just don’t want you to make the rest of your argument, which has some merit, appear…flaccid.

new here?

 

[LokiDog]

Why is “less testosterone” a proxy for “lazy” in your post? Sexism is lazy. Work harder.

And before you say something like “don’t be so easily offended”—I’m not offended. I just don’t want you to make the rest of your argument, which has some merit, appear…flaccid.

Technically, it’s not really sexist… testosterone is the basis of virtually all anabolic steroids and synthetic testosterone is the most popular of all. Women also naturally produce it, just in far lower levels (men also have estrogen). It’s far less common, but even female figure competitors and bodybuilders, etc. are known to use low dosages of test, or test derivatives like Anavar. Same reason testosterone is given to men in the 30-60 age range routinely, to treat symptoms of “aging”. It’s a hormone that increases power, recovery time, protein synthesis and nutrient partitioning, vigor and its most notorious side effect is aggression.

Whether literal or figurative, it’s a perfectly fitting symptom to attribute to many of our guys.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Why is “less testosterone” a proxy for “lazy” in your post? Sexism is lazy. Work harder.

And before you say something like “don’t be so easily offended”—I’m not offended. I just don’t want you to make the rest of your argument, which has some merit, appear…flaccid.

The overwhelming scientific consensus is that low testosterone in men causes decreased motivation, strength, athletic performance, depression, etc. It's a legit medical issue that many men deal with. I'd say it's actually sexist to call that sexist, as you're the one suggesting men with low testosterone aren't "real men" but rather women instead.

 

[grachevsceiling]

new here?

I know it’s like walking into a locker room and complaining about butts I’m a masochist what can I say lol

 

[grachevsceiling]

Technically, it’s not really sexist… testosterone is the basis of virtually all anabolic steroids and synthetic testosterone is the most popular of all. Women also naturally produce it, just in far lower levels (men also have estrogen). It’s far less common, but even female figure competitors and bodybuilders, etc. are known to use low dosages of test, or test derivatives like Anavar. Same reason testosterone is given to men in the 30-60 age range routinely, to treat symptoms of “aging”. It’s a hormone that increases power, recovery time, protein synthesis and nutrient partitioning, vigor and its most notorious side effect is aggression.

Whether literal or figurative, it’s a perfectly fitting symptom to attribute to many of our guys.

So when you said lazy you meant our guys were struggling with “protein synthesis and nutrient partitioning”?

 

[mike14]

the problem with equating testosterone levels to laziness, is that it could easily imply that women are naturally lazier than men as they have less natural testosterone...
The bigger issue would probably be having your testosterone (and other hormone) levels below your body's baseline

 

[mike14]

Back on track; it's too early to tell what's going to happen with Fil immediately, but I can't imagine that Drury wants to move forward too much longer with such a question mark over the center position and our appalling lack of depth there.
Targeting someone in the same age bracket as Chytil won't be cheap, but we do have a few nice wingers that could be offered, as well as D-men depending on how badly Drury wants to re-jig the back-end

 

[grachevsceiling]

The overwhelming scientific consensus is that low testosterone in men causes decreased motivation, strength, athletic performance, depression, etc. It's a legit medical issue that many men deal with. I'd say it's actually sexist to call that sexist, as you're the one suggesting men with low testosterone aren't "real men" but rather women instead.

LokiDog wasn’t talking about a deficiency syndrome or something (which only affects about 2% of people assigned male at birth and, hence, not a whole team of people). He was talking about testosterone like parmesan cheese you might sprinkle to your liking on pasta. And equating it with effort. But anyway, I don’t want the previously vigorous discussion to go floppier than it already has, so I’ll drop it.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The overwhelming scientific consensus is that low testosterone in men causes decreased motivation, strength, athletic performance, depression, etc. It's a legit medical issue that many men deal with. I'd say it's actually sexist to call that sexist, as you're the one suggesting men with low testosterone aren't "real men" but rather women instead.

You will never be a real woman Ed, as hard as you try.

 

[Guyute]

If Fil is out for a while with a concussion, maybe it’s time to go to the Ducks for some one-stop shopping.

Lindgren, Othmann, and a 1st for Zegras and Fowler (50% retained).

The salaries roughly match up evenly assuming Fil goes on LTIR.

 

[mike14]

If Fil is out for a while with a concussion, maybe it’s time to go to the Ducks for some one-stop shopping.

Lindgren, Othmann, and a 1st for Zegras and Fowler (50% retained).

The salaries roughly match up evenly assuming Fil goes on LTIR.

I know you could get some back in other trades. but that would leave us with Minnesota's 5th round pick being our first pick in the upcoming draft, and only 2 picks in the first 3 rounds for each of the two drafts after that...

 

[hockeyplayer999]

Miller throws 1 hit all season and it’s on his own player.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If Fil is out for a while with a concussion, maybe it’s time to go to the Ducks for some one-stop shopping.

Lindgren, Othmann, and a 1st for Zegras and Fowler (50% retained).

The salaries roughly match up evenly assuming Fil goes on LTIR.

Have you watched Zegras in the nhl? I wouldn't trade Kakko for him at this point. What is everyone's obsession with Zegras? He's everything we have complained about our roster for years, he has great hand but is passive, likely to disappear in playoffs, not to mention, he just hasn't showed he's a skilled nhl player yet and likely the reason Anaheim can't get their rebuild moving forward. I don't get this move at all.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Imo we need to figure out how to aquire a guy like say Ryan Macleod out of Buffalo, skates well, can play up and down the lineup in short stints, wing or center. Someone like that, it's unfortunate but we can't count on Fil anymore. I'm not sure how we'd fit something like that in or how much it would cost but imo if he was added in place of Chytil you'd get 80% of Chytil 100% of the year instead if 100% of Chytil 20% of the year.

 

[noncents]

Have you watched Zegras in the nhl? I wouldn't trade Kakko for him at this point. What is everyone's obsession with Zegras? He's everything we have complained about our roster for years, he has great hand but is passive, likely to disappear in playoffs, not to mention, he just hasn't showed he's a skilled nhl player yet and likely the reason Anaheim can't get their rebuild moving forward. I don't get this move at all.

he's not trading kakko for him here

 

[tlk]

Have you watched Zegras in the nhl? I wouldn't trade Kakko for him at this point. What is everyone's obsession with Zegras? He's everything we have complained about our roster for years, he has great hand but is passive, likely to disappear in playoffs, not to mention, he just hasn't showed he's a skilled nhl player yet and likely the reason Anaheim can't get their rebuild moving forward. I don't get this move at all.

Your view on his skill is very debatable, but the problem is if he ever comes here, it's to play RW. He's hardly a C even for the Ducks.

 

[Flan the incredible]

LokiDog wasn’t talking about a deficiency syndrome or something (which only affects about 2% of people assigned male at birth and, hence, not a whole team of people). He was talking about testosterone like parmesan cheese you might sprinkle to your liking on pasta. And equating it with effort. But anyway, I don’t want the previously vigorous discussion to go floppier than it already has, so I’ll drop it.

This is a bad look for you. I read his comments and the only person I view as sexist in this conversation is you. You are trying so hard to put words in his mouth to prove how offended you are its made you look sexist. Take the L and go back to talking hockey and why this team is struggling.

 

[McRanger92]

If Chytil is out long-term we need a center. I would like to see them give Edstrom a shot between Cuylle and Kakko in the meantime.

Miller has got to go. Zero awareness, zero motivation, a complete trainwreck. Seems like a guy who needs to be traded before he gets paid. Trying to flip him to another team with a similarly aged center would be a real smart move in my opinion. Ducks maybe? They've got nothing on defense and a few ex-Rangers. Zegras needs a change of scenery. I really like McTavish too.

With Miller, in hindsight it shouldve been more of a red flag that he came into camp with the blonde hair (dont care about that aspect) and said he was inspired by Odell Beckham! Why would you be looking for inspiration from a guy who got run out of NY on a rail??? I dont get it, and I think hes the odd man out on D.

 

[bernmeister]

You will never be a real woman Ed, as hard as you try.

took the liberty of giving Ed's response....

 

[bernmeister]

If Fil is out for a while with a concussion, maybe it’s time to go to the Ducks for some one-stop shopping.

Lindgren, Othmann, and a 1st for Zegras and Fowler (50% retained).

The salaries roughly match up evenly assuming Fil goes on LTIR.

no, they won't go there and don't want Fowler
still recovering from stupid win now = be careful w/1sts

go back to what I posted pages ago, which from memory was somethin like
KAM + Othmann + Lindgren + Vesey + Robertson
for
Zegras + Vatrano + 2 larger LDs + Helleson

 

[bernmeister]

Have you watched Zegras in the nhl? I wouldn't trade Kakko for him at this point. What is everyone's obsession with Zegras? He's everything we have complained about our roster for years, he has great hand but is passive, likely to disappear in playoffs, not to mention, he just hasn't showed he's a skilled nhl player yet and likely the reason Anaheim can't get their rebuild moving forward. I don't get this move at all.

Zegras can play pivot = stopgap til Zib moved, he is for the moment RW
Kreid - Zeg - Zib
not ideal, but helpful if Zib not toast

If we get extended Shesty + Zib [retained?] + for Byfield, Zeg can other line pivot or go to W

 

[bernmeister]

start to give Eds mins at pivot w/Kreider
deal Vesey, return Rempe
team plays harder when he is here