Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIII: Have no fear, the TDL is near (Mod Post page 233, #5809 - READ IT)

[Mac n Gs]

I don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about. I was responding to his post, which was basically implying Sergachev is an absurd demand for McDonagh, which is this organizations top asset, because “Change is Needed”.

Then you’re reading incorrectly. He was responding to a post about a Gord Miller quote that said to ask for Sergachev or Point, and if Tampa says no, then don’t trade with them. All he’s saying is that it’s silly to say overpay or f*** off.

We all would love Sergachev. It’s also reasonable to not expect him and look at other trade options with Tampa, which is exactly what Trxjw does.

 

[aufheben]

We complain about the Rangers having no balls. Read this quote from the article about the coach

Plus, there must be an inspection of whether Vigneault’s undying belief in whistle-to-whistle, turn-the-other-cheek hockey has created a passive mentality among the Rangers. When Chris Kreider stood up for McDonagh after the captain was run from behind by Steven Stamkos in Tampa Bay in Game 6 of the 2015 conference finals, No. 20 was rebuked by the coach for picking up an additional two minutes. When Brendan Smith stood up for Tony DeAngelo in an imbroglio in L.A. with Trevor Lewis on Jan. 21, he was chastised for picking up a bad penalty.

Well, you some of you do.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Then you’re reading incorrectly. He was responding to a post about a Gord Miller quote that said to ask for Sergachev or Point, and if Tampa says no, then don’t trade with them. All he’s saying is that it’s silly to say overpay or **** off.

We all would love Sergachev. It’s also reasonable to not expect him and look at other trade options with Tampa, which is exactly what Trxjw does.

Is Tampa the only team we can trade McDonagh to? I must have missed that.

 

[aufheben]

Maybe this is a reason why a player like Smith doesn't look good out there. He is playing scared that he will be put in detention for sticking up for his teammates

He takes a stupid penalty every game so that is obviously not something he is worried about.

Edit: Smith has absolutely looked like a player who is afraid to make a mistake. This defensive system doesn't allow for mistakes, and he makes them all the time, so...

 

[Trxjw]

You didn't have to when you suggested the team shouldn't hold out for what they want when trading their Number 1 Dman captain at 50% in conference with a year left on his deal that they don't have to trade.

Actually what I said was that the team should negotiate in good faith, and not set an asinine asking price and say "f*** you." Nowhere did I imply that they shouldn't hold out for what they want. Nor did I mention anything about contract retention in that post. Are we just making shit up now around here now as a substitute for reading comprehension?

 

[aufheben]

I don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about. I was responding to his post, which was basically implying Sergachev is an absurd demand for McDonagh, which is this organizations top asset, because “Change is Needed”.

Sergachev is really good. I'd call it a pipe dream. I mean you have to look at it from Tampa's perspective. Sergachev is part of their lineup. McDonagh would put them over the top, but they already have one of the best defenders in the world in Hedman, and they've already made deep runs with that top-pairing. Tampa could also put together a very nice package without including Sergachev.

 

[SA16]

Asking for Point is...pointless. The top team in the league is just not going to give up their 2C who happens to be 21 years old and playing just below a PPG pace.

Asking for Sergachev is reasonable. TB won't do it but the Rangers should definitely ask and if he is the guy they want they should be prepared to give more in addition to McDonagh to try and make it work. If they're not willing to do that then they need to settle for picks/prospects not currently in the NHL or keeping/re-signing him.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Well, you some of you do.

They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Then you’re reading incorrectly. He was responding to a post about a Gord Miller quote that said to ask for Sergachev or Point, and if Tampa says no, then don’t trade with them. All he’s saying is that it’s silly to say overpay or **** off.

We all would love Sergachev. It’s also reasonable to not expect him and look at other trade options with Tampa, which is exactly what Trxjw does.

I am so technologically Pejorative Slured, I don’t know how to multi quote, so for that I apologize. As for Trxjw, I stand by my statement. You deal from a position of strength. There are two assets that interest you in Tampa that you are willing to deal for and if they won’t, there are thirty other teams with just as appealing assets as Tampa. You don’t just settle because change is needed.

 

[silverfish]

Don't hide it. Embrace it.

Don't worry, we won't think any less of you. How could we?

I really have no idea who you're referencing with #97. Could be missing something obvious, as usual.

 

[aufheben]

I am so technologically ******ed, I don’t know how to multi quote, so for that I apologize. As for Trxjw, I stand by my statement. You deal from a position of strength. There are two assets that interest you in Tampa that you are willing to deal for and if they won’t, there are thirty other teams with just as appealing assets as Tampa. You don’t just settle because change is needed.

That's not true. Some teams have more draft picks, better prospects, etc. Not every team is going to be interested either. Tampa may be because they're a contending team with a ton of assets. How many other teams in the NHL can say the same?

 

[Vitto79]

Going to say McD is not dealt unless Tbay goes all In and moved Sergachev then they kind of have to take it

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Actually what I said was that the team should negotiate in good faith, and not set an asinine asking price and say "**** you." Nowhere did I imply that they shouldn't hold out for what they want. Nor did I mention anything about contract retention in that post. Are we just making **** up now around here now as a substitute for reading comprehension?

Asking for Kucherov, Stamkos, Johnson and Sergachev or no deal, is assinine. Asking for a young, unproven, albeit talented, and holding out is not only acceptable, it SHOULD be expected.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Actually what I said was that the team should negotiate in good faith, and not set an asinine asking price and say "**** you." Nowhere did I imply that they shouldn't hold out for what they want. Nor did I mention anything about contract retention in that post. Are we just making **** up now around here now as a substitute for reading comprehension?

You don't actually think Gorton is going to say "f*** You" to Steve Yzerman, do you?

The Rangers need a can't miss piece for McDonagh. Foote, Howden and Lottery Ticket #25-31 are not can't miss pieces. Keep him if you don't get what you want. They don't have to trade him to Tampa. Plenty of teams looking for a number 1 D. There is absolutely no reason to settle here.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I really have no idea who you're referencing with #97. Could be missing something obvious, as usual.

Could be wrong, but Mat Gilroy?

 

[Trxjw]

I am so technologically ******ed, I don’t know how to multi quote, so for that I apologize. As for Trxjw, I stand by my statement. You deal from a position of strength. There are two assets that interest you in Tampa that you are willing to deal for and if they won’t, there are thirty other teams with just as appealing assets as Tampa. You don’t just settle because change is needed.

Again, nowhere am I saying to "settle" or to give him away.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

That's not true. Some teams have more draft picks, better prospects, etc. Not every team is going to be interested either. Tampa may be because they're a contending team with a ton of assets. How many other teams in the NHL can say the same?

You are right. I should have been more clear.

 

[Edge]

Tampa’s come up because there are multiple assets posters on here like, myself included.

But yes, they aren’t the only team we can trade with. TB and Toronto have been mentioned the most because they seem to be in the sweet spot of having the assets and having the need for a guy like McD.

We ask for the moon and then work from there as needed.

 

[Edge]

I really have no idea who you're referencing with #97. Could be missing something obvious, as usual.

Was making a (bad) joke about Gilroy.

 

[Trxjw]

You don't actually think Gorton is going to say "**** You" to Steve Yzerman, do you?

The Rangers need a can't miss piece for McDonagh. Foote, Howden and Lottery Ticket #25-31 are not can't miss pieces. Keep him if you don't get what you want. They don't have to trade him to Tampa. Plenty of teams looking for a number 1 D. There is absolutely no reason to settle here.

You've completely missed the point and misrepresented what I've said a number of times so I am just going to agree to disagree.

 

[aufheben]

You don't actually think Gorton is going to say "**** You" to Steve Yzerman, do you?

The Rangers need a can't miss piece for McDonagh. Foote, Howden and Lottery Ticket #25-31 are not can't miss pieces. Keep him if you don't get what you want. They don't have to trade him to Tampa. Plenty of teams looking for a number 1 D. There is absolutely no reason to settle here.

Any team that doesn't need a #1d for longer than 1.5 years most likely already has one.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

You are right. I should have been more clear.

Ok, then we agree!

 

[Mac n Gs]

I am so technologically ******ed, I don’t know how to multi quote, so for that I apologize. As for Trxjw, I stand by my statement. You deal from a position of strength. There are two assets that interest you in Tampa that you are willing to deal for and if they won’t, there are thirty other teams with just as appealing assets as Tampa. You don’t just settle because change is needed.

It’s ok gramps, I forgive you

I don’t think anyone is saying to trade McD to Tampa only. Like Edge said, they just happen to have a really deep prospect pool that many posters here like. That’s all

 

[NYR Viper]

I think Sergachev would be phenomenal but TB has about 5-6 other pieces I’d be interested in too is they put together the proper package.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Is this legitimate or is this scuttlebutt?

Legitimate true story lol