Yeah I could see Winnipeg making a move for a depth defensemen or something like that, but not much more. I think they're going to need to win a playoff series before Chevy finds the stones to start moving significant pieces. Holden would be a good target for them and the list of available D could end up being pretty thin. Rangers could possibly get a 2nd rounder for him, or they could roll the dice on Nic Petan with a 3rd rounder. Small but super skilled. Hand him a top-9 spot and see if he can make the most of the opportunity.
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I mean, I disagree a little because I think the effort is pretty much always there with Nash and there are lots of games where he dominates with the puck but it doesn't go in for him, but ultimately yeah if he did it all the time and scored a whole bunch then the asking price for him would be huge.
Don't tell me though that he's not worth a 1st and some extra when you look back at what other deadline acquisitions returned.
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You don't get Nash to carry your team. You get him to upgrade your wing. If you need Nash to score you are in our spot. But he's great with the puck, responsible without, tons of experience and respected more around the league than here. There's value there
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What do "YOU" mean you people?
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I think that quote was phrased pretty poorly. I believe whoever said that was referring to Nash being able to consistently score game in, and game out. Which is true...he's always been streaky. I don't think it was meant to criticize his effort level. One of the main reasons I've come to love Nash as a Ranger is because he never takes a shift off and 99% of the time makes the smart/correct play. Any team who comes to scout the Rangers, or has been scouting the Rangers, will easily see that IMO.
Doubt it, but would love to see it. If you look at the players teams trade for rentals... it's almost never their prime prospects. Never actually. Closest one was Forsberg for Erat, and Erat had a year left.
I'm cool with moving Chris. Depending on the return of course. He's one of those guys that can get an overpayment. Kreider is Brandon Saad - Consistency. So if the return on that was Panarin... then Panarin - some offense is a good frame of reference to work with.
WPG wants Nash. He's a perfect fit there with their system and personnel.
NSH makes more sense from a contender and place to live perspective. Nash wants DAL. There's your bidding war right there.
Same with McD with TB, BOS & TOR>
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Nash is streaky, but so is literally like...everyone else lmao.
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I wouldn't count on it, the guy is a buffoon in the most annoying way - I am pretty sure he is an avid main boards trade poster based on how he runs that team with not understanding any value and getting all huffy
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Because some people have already decided the future
The thing for me about trading Miller over Kreider (and frankly, I'd rather keep both... though I do understand that's kind of "standing pat") is that he's a guy who really gives it his all and gets emotional. Much more than Kreider does. When Kreider is on, he's amazing to watch and he's definitely a unique type of physical specimen size/speed. Miller has that drive, though. You can tell it matters to him. And even in games where he looks lost, dejected etc... you have to also consider that Andersson is coming in sooner than later. Andersson is clearly that type of attitude. The two together could be something special. I'd love to see that.
Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Miller - Andersson - Kovalchuk
Chytil - Hayes - Acquisition
Acquisition - Nieves/Carey - Fast
We'd still suck, especially on D and transitioning in general. Add injuries and we're more than half a prospect/AHL team. But we'd be fun to watch and have good mentors/surrounding players for kids coming in. I know, no one wants Kovalchuk. Depending on the price and term, I think it would be fun. That's a team that, especially depending on acquisitions, would CARE and play with some more fire. I think Kovalchuk would be having fun and motivate Buch and others. I think Miller and Andersson would feed off of each other and get into it. Fast almost always brings it, and even if Nieves/Carey aren't ideal, unless we can find another sparkplug they're decent bottom center options for a rebuild. Anyway, just my opinion but that's a team that I think would be good together and develop well. I'm not thinking of being competitive right away. I WANT us to rebuild properly and suck for a year or two in the standings. That's fine. But I also want us to be building well and motivating and fun. This, to me, seems to be that mix.
Defense is an enigma I cannot yet solve. Skjei, Shattenkirk, Staal... Graves? Pionk? ADA? New guys? Who knows.
Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Miller - Andersson - Kovalchuk
Chytil - Hayes - Acquisition
Acquisition - Nieves/Carey - Fast
We'd still suck, especially on D and transitioning in general. Add injuries and we're more than half a prospect/AHL team. But we'd be fun to watch and have good mentors/surrounding players for kids coming in. I know, no one wants Kovalchuk. Depending on the price and term, I think it would be fun. That's a team that, especially depending on acquisitions, would CARE and play with some more fire. I think Kovalchuk would be having fun and motivate Buch and others. I think Miller and Andersson would feed off of each other and get into it. Fast almost always brings it, and even if Nieves/Carey aren't ideal, unless we can find another sparkplug they're decent bottom center options for a rebuild. Anyway, just my opinion but that's a team that I think would be good together and develop well. I'm not thinking of being competitive right away. I WANT us to rebuild properly and suck for a year or two in the standings. That's fine. But I also want us to be building well and motivating and fun. This, to me, seems to be that mix.
Defense is an enigma I cannot yet solve. Skjei, Shattenkirk, Staal... Graves? Pionk? ADA? New guys? Who knows.
I am a bit undecided.
First of all, and this is important, its not a major down side move. If we aren't happy with him, he won't go to the AHL to collect a pay check. Or even sit in the stands should he require a NMC. In that sense there is no risk.
Second of all, for all bad things with Kova -- and there are some bad things with him -- he is also a real attitude player. He is a very gritty and competitive personality. However, make no mistake, he is far from a great player at this point of his career. He is in his mid 30's and doesn't have the jump he once had.
Thirdly, why should we get him? We aren't going for it. For me its simple, its a given, the better environment you put a kid in the better he will develop. This was not the case 20 years ago. Its linked to how competitive the league and game is. In the past a very talented kid could hit the ice and make a difference and play to his strengths, today nobody can do it alone, more or less. At least if you aren't named McDavid. A young D on a worthless team will have a very hard time playing a solid game. String up bad games by the teens in a row and it will affect how the player develop. However -- with the amount of RHS we have on the team already, I am not sure if Kova has that much of a positive impact to be honest. If we didn't have a RHS on the PP Kova would help us a ton. Its on the PP he still is elite. But he isn't a tremendous upgrade over Ziba and Shatty, would only push TDA further down the depth chart etc.
Fourthly, if you have cap space -- and we will have cap space -- and can attract good players to good deals it can pay off a lot. If we sign Kova to a 1-2 year deal, he comes here and has a respectable season but by the deadline in 19' its clear we won't make the POs, all of a sudden going to say a LAK, Chicago, EDM, TOR or whatever might seem attractive to him. All of a sudden we get a 1st round pick + in return.
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So what to expect?
Gorton should be able to get at least a little short of his asking price for Nash, a 1st, 2nd and a prospect. Gorton should also be able to get a 1st for Grabner.
That would give us three 1st round picks. That is what I am counting on will happen through the deadline. I am not counting on any more. But I think that Gorton really will want to make one more move on top on that, but not much more than that. Something to really give us more of a core piece going forward. However, 18' is a good draft. We will probably have 1 top 15 pick and 3 picks in total in the 1st round. We made two really good picks in Lias and Chytil. If you start to throw around names like McD/Miller/Kreider together with other assets you have, the conditions to make a big mark is there.
Besides that, I think Zucc is a bit of an X-factor. Are Gorton shopping him like Nash and Grabner or just listening?
Gorton should be able to get at least a little short of his asking price for Nash, a 1st, 2nd and a prospect. Gorton should also be able to get a 1st for Grabner.
That would give us three 1st round picks. That is what I am counting on will happen through the deadline. I am not counting on any more. But I think that Gorton really will want to make one more move on top on that, but not much more than that. Something to really give us more of a core piece going forward. However, 18' is a good draft. We will probably have 1 top 15 pick and 3 picks in total in the 1st round. We made two really good picks in Lias and Chytil. If you start to throw around names like McD/Miller/Kreider together with other assets you have, the conditions to make a big mark is there.
Besides that, I think Zucc is a bit of an X-factor. Are Gorton shopping him like Nash and Grabner or just listening?
There are so many guys that are going out the door that they almost have to start the firesale a few weeks before the deadline
100 percent gone Nash , Grabner , Holden , Desharnais
Maybe McD and Zuc last till the draft by doubt it
Need Staal healthy asap cause he’d now waive . Pray Smith is taken on they will have to eat part of that contract too
100 percent gone Nash , Grabner , Holden , Desharnais
Maybe McD and Zuc last till the draft by doubt it
Need Staal healthy asap cause he’d now waive . Pray Smith is taken on they will have to eat part of that contract too
The Rangers are basically rebuilding without using the actual word.
Kovalchuk will be 35 years old. Why would the Rangers sign a 35 year old to more than a one year contract? Is he really going to make the Rangers a better team? What's the point?
The Rangers should trade basically nearly the entire team. That has been my stance for the last couple of years. Happy to see Jeff and Glen read my emails. 
Anyone except for less than a handful of players who have value should be traded. Some players on the team have no value. Clean slate. It will take at least 2-3 years. I read all of those rosy projections. The Rangers are banking on building with young players in the teens and early 20's. They will have growing pains and struggles. Their blue line is in shambles. Skjei is the only D worth keeping. They have no one in their system on D who projects as a sure fire NHL player. They have Andersson and Chytil up front. The Russian goalie in the KHL looks like a player. They need so much more.
Anyone except for less than a handful of players who have value should be traded. Some players on the team have no value. Clean slate. It will take at least 2-3 years. I read all of those rosy projections. The Rangers are banking on building with young players in the teens and early 20's. They will have growing pains and struggles. Their blue line is in shambles. Skjei is the only D worth keeping. They have no one in their system on D who projects as a sure fire NHL player. They have Andersson and Chytil up front. The Russian goalie in the KHL looks like a player. They need so much more.
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Matt Martin is what Tanner Glass aspires to be.
Glass didn't have that idiot factor that Martin has (and this team can use a little more of)
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On top of that, Kovalchuk is exactly the type of player that they seem like they want to avoid. He's a talented scorer, but he's not interested in playing defense and you have to question his effort sometimes. Couple that with the fact that he completely screwed the Devils -AND- you're responsible for his contract no matter what (retirement, injury, back to Russia blues, etc...) because he's over 35 and it's a huge NO for me.
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I'd like to see the Rangers trade:
It might make sense to hold on to Kreider and Miller at least to next year's TDL. Field a core of:
They would stink and get another high pick in 2019 but at least the tram would likely be exciting to watch. Depending on how the kids develop they could have a pretty good youjng squad in 20-21.
- Nash
- Grabner
- Holden
- DD
- McD
- Zucc
- Hayes
It might make sense to hold on to Kreider and Miller at least to next year's TDL. Field a core of:
- Zbad
- Miller
- Kreider
- Buch
- Vesey
- Andersson
- Chytil
- Skjei
- Shattenkirk
- Smith
They would stink and get another high pick in 2019 but at least the tram would likely be exciting to watch. Depending on how the kids develop they could have a pretty good youjng squad in 20-21.
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McDonagh is a tough one. Rebuilds don't always take as along as some think. Toronto set out on that path after the start of the 15/16 season when they parted with Kessel and Phaneuf, and frankly, were in a similar spot as the Rangers are right now.
12/13: Leafs made the playoffs = 16/17 Rangers made the playoffs
13/14: Leafs struggled = 17/18 Rangers struggle
2014: Draft, Leafs got #8 OA pick (Nylander) and got the #22 OA pick (Kapanen) via trade = 2017 NHL Draft Rangers got #7 OA pick (Andersson) via trade and #21 OA pick (Chytl)
This is about where the Rangers are right now.
2015: Draft, Leafs got #4 OA pick (Marner) and an extra 1st (due to trade deadline deals the prior year), which they traded down to the 2nd (Dermott).
2016: Total tank job and got Matthews.
2017: Back in the playoffs only 2 years after parting with Kessel and Phaneuf.
The Leafs had some good, young (ish) pieces in place already (Reilly, Gardiner, Kadri, JVR, Bozak) so that when they rebuilt, it didn't take long. IMO, that's where the Rangers are. Rangers have a lot of good, young (ish) pieces still in place in NY (Miller, Kreider, Hayes, McD, Zib, Buch, Skjei) and with some shrewd moves, could be back in contention in as little as 1-2 years. Of course, it all depends on what spot you get in the draft, but I think the bones are there for a quick turn around if done right (unfortunately, as a Canes fan). Guys like Nash, Zucc, Grabner, Staal etc.. are easy moves. I'd be hesitant to move guys like McD unless the return is spectacular. I would hold on to most of the other young guys I mentioned unless it's a move for a young player that plays a different position (Offense for defense move for example).
12/13: Leafs made the playoffs = 16/17 Rangers made the playoffs
13/14: Leafs struggled = 17/18 Rangers struggle
2014: Draft, Leafs got #8 OA pick (Nylander) and got the #22 OA pick (Kapanen) via trade = 2017 NHL Draft Rangers got #7 OA pick (Andersson) via trade and #21 OA pick (Chytl)
This is about where the Rangers are right now.
2015: Draft, Leafs got #4 OA pick (Marner) and an extra 1st (due to trade deadline deals the prior year), which they traded down to the 2nd (Dermott).
2016: Total tank job and got Matthews.
2017: Back in the playoffs only 2 years after parting with Kessel and Phaneuf.
The Leafs had some good, young (ish) pieces in place already (Reilly, Gardiner, Kadri, JVR, Bozak) so that when they rebuilt, it didn't take long. IMO, that's where the Rangers are. Rangers have a lot of good, young (ish) pieces still in place in NY (Miller, Kreider, Hayes, McD, Zib, Buch, Skjei) and with some shrewd moves, could be back in contention in as little as 1-2 years. Of course, it all depends on what spot you get in the draft, but I think the bones are there for a quick turn around if done right (unfortunately, as a Canes fan). Guys like Nash, Zucc, Grabner, Staal etc.. are easy moves. I'd be hesitant to move guys like McD unless the return is spectacular. I would hold on to most of the other young guys I mentioned unless it's a move for a young player that plays a different position (Offense for defense move for example).
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