Roster Building Thread - Part XII(Training Camp/Preseason)
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SA16
Sixstring
It's not that past results mean nothing. It's that when you chop it up into a bunch of 4-25 game sample sizes spanning a bunch of years that they mean very little. Not to mention, entirely neglecting a players performance in the regular season when predicting the playoffs.
It's also a fact that 65% of goals scored with Marner on the ice at 5v5 in the playoffs have been by the Leafs whereas only 54% of goals scored with Draisaitl on the ice at 5v5 in the playoffs have been by the Oilers. Fact is, preventing the puck from going in your own net wins games.
EdJovanovski
#RempeForCalder
So Rempe has been doing power skating for the past month & a half
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RLINGTON, Va. -- Matt Rempe wants to be a smarter fighter and a better hockey player as he enters his first full NHL season with the New York Rangers.
The 6-foot-9 forward was a sensation last season, amassing 71 penalty minutes in 17 regular-season games through a series of energetic fights. Rangers fans would chant his name even when he wasn't on the ice.
"It seems like a dream. They're the best fans in the world. You want to go to battle for them every single time," said Rempe, speaking at the NHLPA rookie showcase on Wednesday. "It's a surreal experience. You feel like you're almost floating."
Some felt Rempe dropped the gloves too often in his first season. Rempe disagrees.
"No, not at all. You've got to think that I'm 21 years old in the NHL and I have legends like [Matt] Martin and [Nicolas] Deslauriers, all those guys who want to fight. I'm in no position to say 'no' there. I think that they're giving me an opportunity, and I 100 percent want to do that," he said.
Rempe noted that as the season wore on, he fought less. He only had one fight in his last seven regular-season games and didn't fight in 11 playoff games for the Rangers -- including when Capitals forward Tom Wilson asked him to go during their first-round series.
"In that scenario, we're up 2-0 in the series and we're up in that game, in Washington's barn. There's no benefit for me taking that fight," he said. "I think that's just trying to grow and be smarter. I'm having an effect. I was being very physical that game. I was having an impact without fighting."
Could he say "no" more often in his second NHL season?
"But I really enjoy it. That's the thing as well," said Rempe, with a laugh. "I don't know. I want to be a hockey player but it's part of the game. It's a nice tool to have."
While the fans buzzed about Rempe's fights, others took interest as well. Some players at the NHLPA rookie showcase were excited for the chance to meet Rempe, including Pittsburgh Penguins rookie forward Rutger McGroarty.
"It's so cool to see what that guy's done. Honestly, he gets a lot of credit for his fights, but he knows how to play the game too," McGroarty said. "One-of-a-kind guy, honestly. Such a nice guy. So down to earth."
Another group that took interest in Rempe last season: retired former NHL enforcers, who offered their unsolicited advice to the Rangers forward through social media messages.
"Those are guys are who I consider legends in the craft and they're all reaching out and loving what I'm doing. They want to give me advice," Rempe said. "I want to learn as much as I can. Taking all of their information. They have much experience. They fought so much more back in the day."
One of them was Georges Laraque, who earned 1,126 penalty minutes while fighting throughout his 12-year career. Laraque reached out to Rempe last season after watching the Rangers rookie's first few fights. He invited him to come to his summer hockey camp in Edmonton, where Rempe spent around three days learning more about his pugilistic craft.
"Yeah, it was great. He showed me lots of things, little tricks, little things. Helped me with my reach more. Protect myself better. Just got better at fighting," Rempe said. "He's a guy with a lot of experience and it was really helpful and he was awesome. So I really appreciated him taking the time for that."
One thing they spoke about was Rempe picking his spots better as a fighter.
"When to fight on my own terms. Not so much the staged fighting, but more natural [fighting] if it happens. Protecting teammates, standing up for teammates, standing up for myself. Always making sure it benefits the team. That you're doing it at the most advantageous time possible for you, so you're maximizing the value of that fight for the team," he said.
But Rempe believes he can benefit the Rangers in ways that go beyond fighting. He said the majority of his summer was spent honing his hockey skills rather than fighting prowess. He's been power skating drills for the last 1½ months. He has worked with Rangers teammate and mentor Chris Kreider on aspects of forechecking and puck protection.
"The fighting is a very small part. I highly prioritize the skills, the skating and everything. I've got to become a better player, so that's what I've got to work on. I've enjoyed it and I think I've taken big strides this summer," he said.
Rempe said he hopes to get a chance to kill penalties for the Rangers, something he did on occasion in junior hockey.
In his 17 regular-season games, Rempe scored a goal and an assist. He scored one goal in 11 playoff games for New York as well. In those games, Rempe only played more than eight minutes on just three occasions.
His goal this season: to earn a regular role in the Rangers' bottom six forwards and remain in their lineup.
"Just be hard to play against. Mean. Bring an edge. Have a great net-front presence. Make sure the other team always knows that, hey, they're going to have to deal with me every night," he said.
After his notable first NHL season, Rempe expects he'll get his share of attention from other teams.
"I don't know about being a target, but I know I have a presence," he said.
Rangers' Rempe: 'Got to become a better player'
Entering his first full NHL season, the Rangers' Matt Rempe is focused on being a better player but admits he enjoys the fighting.
RLINGTON, Va. -- Matt Rempe wants to be a smarter fighter and a better hockey player as he enters his first full NHL season with the New York Rangers.
The 6-foot-9 forward was a sensation last season, amassing 71 penalty minutes in 17 regular-season games through a series of energetic fights. Rangers fans would chant his name even when he wasn't on the ice.
"It seems like a dream. They're the best fans in the world. You want to go to battle for them every single time," said Rempe, speaking at the NHLPA rookie showcase on Wednesday. "It's a surreal experience. You feel like you're almost floating."
Some felt Rempe dropped the gloves too often in his first season. Rempe disagrees.
"No, not at all. You've got to think that I'm 21 years old in the NHL and I have legends like [Matt] Martin and [Nicolas] Deslauriers, all those guys who want to fight. I'm in no position to say 'no' there. I think that they're giving me an opportunity, and I 100 percent want to do that," he said.
Rempe noted that as the season wore on, he fought less. He only had one fight in his last seven regular-season games and didn't fight in 11 playoff games for the Rangers -- including when Capitals forward Tom Wilson asked him to go during their first-round series.
"In that scenario, we're up 2-0 in the series and we're up in that game, in Washington's barn. There's no benefit for me taking that fight," he said. "I think that's just trying to grow and be smarter. I'm having an effect. I was being very physical that game. I was having an impact without fighting."
Could he say "no" more often in his second NHL season?
"But I really enjoy it. That's the thing as well," said Rempe, with a laugh. "I don't know. I want to be a hockey player but it's part of the game. It's a nice tool to have."
While the fans buzzed about Rempe's fights, others took interest as well. Some players at the NHLPA rookie showcase were excited for the chance to meet Rempe, including Pittsburgh Penguins rookie forward Rutger McGroarty.
"It's so cool to see what that guy's done. Honestly, he gets a lot of credit for his fights, but he knows how to play the game too," McGroarty said. "One-of-a-kind guy, honestly. Such a nice guy. So down to earth."
Another group that took interest in Rempe last season: retired former NHL enforcers, who offered their unsolicited advice to the Rangers forward through social media messages.
"Those are guys are who I consider legends in the craft and they're all reaching out and loving what I'm doing. They want to give me advice," Rempe said. "I want to learn as much as I can. Taking all of their information. They have much experience. They fought so much more back in the day."
One of them was Georges Laraque, who earned 1,126 penalty minutes while fighting throughout his 12-year career. Laraque reached out to Rempe last season after watching the Rangers rookie's first few fights. He invited him to come to his summer hockey camp in Edmonton, where Rempe spent around three days learning more about his pugilistic craft.
"Yeah, it was great. He showed me lots of things, little tricks, little things. Helped me with my reach more. Protect myself better. Just got better at fighting," Rempe said. "He's a guy with a lot of experience and it was really helpful and he was awesome. So I really appreciated him taking the time for that."
One thing they spoke about was Rempe picking his spots better as a fighter.
"When to fight on my own terms. Not so much the staged fighting, but more natural [fighting] if it happens. Protecting teammates, standing up for teammates, standing up for myself. Always making sure it benefits the team. That you're doing it at the most advantageous time possible for you, so you're maximizing the value of that fight for the team," he said.
But Rempe believes he can benefit the Rangers in ways that go beyond fighting. He said the majority of his summer was spent honing his hockey skills rather than fighting prowess. He's been power skating drills for the last 1½ months. He has worked with Rangers teammate and mentor Chris Kreider on aspects of forechecking and puck protection.
"The fighting is a very small part. I highly prioritize the skills, the skating and everything. I've got to become a better player, so that's what I've got to work on. I've enjoyed it and I think I've taken big strides this summer," he said.
Rempe said he hopes to get a chance to kill penalties for the Rangers, something he did on occasion in junior hockey.
In his 17 regular-season games, Rempe scored a goal and an assist. He scored one goal in 11 playoff games for New York as well. In those games, Rempe only played more than eight minutes on just three occasions.
His goal this season: to earn a regular role in the Rangers' bottom six forwards and remain in their lineup.
"Just be hard to play against. Mean. Bring an edge. Have a great net-front presence. Make sure the other team always knows that, hey, they're going to have to deal with me every night," he said.
After his notable first NHL season, Rempe expects he'll get his share of attention from other teams.
"I don't know about being a target, but I know I have a presence," he said.
how far back into your post history am I going to have to go, before I find a post where you shit on Panarin and Mika for bad playoffs?
SA16
Sixstring
Probably infinitely far if you're looking for me to have ever said that I would expect them to be bad going forward.
SA16
Sixstring
How so? Is Marner the only player on his team? Will he never be on the ice with a lead because someone on one of the other three lines scored?
In that case, should we not bother signing Igor - even if he were willing to take a huge discount - because he's incapable of winning a game by himself?
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Of course keeping the puck out of your net is important. It's obvious. But let's be serious. A guy who scores 60 points but when he's on ice 70% of the goals scored are by his team, will never be as valuable as a guy who scores 120 points but only 55% of the goals are by his team when he is on the ice. Its a COMPLIMENTARY stat. Not commenting on the Drai vs Marner argument, just the importance of that stat.
My point is that no one wins a 0-0 game.
When push comes to shove, you need points on the board.
Goalies are great... until they aren't. They are voodoo.
I'd much rather have our cap spent on point producers rather than a goalie.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
The same can be said about regular season, which is significantly less meaningful than the post season when you are talking about this caliber of player.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Does Marner play with Matthews? If he does, I think that argument goes out the window since Matthews is no slouch.
If he doesn't then you can argue he is facing easier competition than Draisatl.
Which is it?
kovazub94
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As I said JVR is not about Kakko. But I disagree about the other part. There’s no obligation to JVR whatsoever but if our prospects can’t beat him - it’s on them, not organization taking away their opportunities, but addressing entitlement attitudes.
n8
WAAAAAAA!!!
My hesitation with veteran PTOs is that they play their asses off in training camp, secure the contract, and put themselves on cruise control because unless they signed a 2-way, they get paid no matter what.
Chalfdiggity3
Registered User
I don’t care what he’s doing now, I’ll boo trouba not bc of this offseason but Because watching years of him steadily declining into an ahl level player is why I would boo him. Trouba is cheeks and he should be booed for that reason.
kovazub94
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Nope, the key to this is that Rempe grew another inch!!!
SA16
Sixstring
One is a sample size of hundreds of games over the last couple of seasons the other is a sample size of tens of games
Do you think someone like JVR cares about securing a league minimum salary when he’s made over 65M in his career? If he wants to play it’s because he wants to win and he wants to stay in the league and earn future contracts - none of which will happen if he goes on cruise control.
It appears that Rangers really have a duty of care to Rempe with CTE; if he's referring to Martin and Deslauriers as 'legends' then he's likely had one too many blows to the head already....
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
True. Speaks to the legendary performance of Rick Nash... Oh wait.
The playoffs are different. They always have been. Space is tighter. The game is harder. The pressure is higher. Some styles of play don't work in the playoffs. You know that what you are saying is absurd, but I'm convinced you would rather be covered in bullet ants for 5 days vs. admitting you could be wrong.
SA16
Sixstring
Any style can work in the playoffs. You have some floaters like Phil Kessel with great playoff numbers. You have other who don't. You have some big guys like Jagr with great playoff numbers. You have some like Thornton who don't. It's the same game - even more so these days than it used to be since they don't allow nearly as much obstruction. Calgary went on nonstop about how Tkachuk was a terrible playoff performer (even though you'd think he's the style that wouldn't be). Then he went to Florida and suddenly he's great. There's no rhyme, reason, or secret formula. This is what happens in small samples. And you should expect some good players to have consistently bad playoff numbers because that is also how variance works.
Rick Nash was good in the playoffs too. Unfortunately he shot 10 for 191 at 5v5 as a Ranger and people make up narratives entirely based on if a player scores or doesn't. The whole "He deserves that shooting percentage because he doesn't get to the good scoring areas" is nonsense as well because even if that were true it does not explain shooting 5% which is the number you see out of many defenseman who just shoot from the point. It is valid to say that Nash was bad on the PP in the playoffs however that doesn't really tell you much because Nash was a bad PP player in general.
It's interesting how people always like to talk about the important of the eye test until they have bad stats in the playoffs. At that point it's the stats that apparently matter.
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pld459666
Registered User
Chytil is always going to have warts
Medicore FO, less than stellar defensive acumen,
Hes still a mid 40's point center that assuming good health with this roster has a very good shot at 50 points with limited to no PP time.
I'm not expecting any real improvements from here on out.
5 full seasons and one injured season, for me he is now, who he is going to be.
Which isn't a bad player, a middle 6 F with warts
Medicore FO, less than stellar defensive acumen,
Hes still a mid 40's point center that assuming good health with this roster has a very good shot at 50 points with limited to no PP time.
I'm not expecting any real improvements from here on out.
5 full seasons and one injured season, for me he is now, who he is going to be.
Which isn't a bad player, a middle 6 F with warts
EdJovanovski
#RempeForCalder
LOL Devils just signed Milan Lucic. Rempe effect, absolutely living in their heads
n8
WAAAAAAA!!!
Himmy is like the one PTO feel good story in the last 10 years.
The rest are like UFA misfits with differing levels of impact. Colin Blackwell stands out as a total surprise. But then you have the Pitlicks, Rooneys, and Carpenters of the world. It's mostly all disappointment.
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