Sounds like it would be unfair to evaluate the centers too. And it wouldn't be fair to evaluate the defense, when they're playing behind a forward group that is completely unevaluable. No evaluation this year.
I think the issue here is that there is a gap between adequate bottom-six performance and a 2 mill/year contract. You can be contributing on this team's bottom six and make less than what you're complaining Vesey is supposedly going to make next season.
Miller is going to be coming off back to back 50+ point seasons, with only 1 year left before UFA I think, so I can't see him getting much less than Zib.
He's not a C, though. I think his hit will come somewhere between Zucc's 4.5 and Zib's 5.35, but probably closer to Kreider's 4.625. All depending on the term, of course.
Not true. Miller spent a good deal of time on the bottom six his first two full seasons with us and put up similar offensive numbers to what Vesey has these past two seasons.
Depends what you value I guess, to me, Silverfish's post makes it pretty clear that he's not good.
Miller put up better point totals and was a much better possession player. SF showed how bad Vesey is, he's not even a botttom-6 forward, he's a borderline 4th liner.
My post was to the limited extent of countering the argument that a better player would produce more than Vesey and not be on the bottom six. Miller is a better player and produced similarly from the bottom six to what Vesey has his first two seasons. Miller and Vesey may be the same age, but many here complained just as much that Miller was taking too long to develop, which is ridiculous. Also, Miller went pro at an earlier age than Vesey. The development isn't going to line up perfectly.
