Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Synergy27]

Would be hilarious if Trouba submitted his no trade list backwards by accident.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

All is fair on both sides of this Trouba thing. It’s fair for the rangers to try to trade him and upgrade his position, especially in light of his recent play. It’s fair for Trouba to do what’s right for himself and his family and try to stay in NYC. And it’s also fair for the rangers to then use waivers if necessary to clear him out. Sad it’s coming to an “ugly” end, but everyone has their own priorities in mind, and when those don’t align, this is what happens.

 

[Circus86]

I wonder if this affects our FA plans? Too risky to sign another RD on monday before the Trouba situation is resolved?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I wonder if this affects our FA plans? Too risky to sign another RD on monday before the Trouba situation is resolved?

I’m sure that’s why Drury was trying to get ahead of this before the official 7/1 NTC transition. Trouba wasn’t aligned with that plan.

 

[jay from jersey]

The NMC protects the player from all angles… that’s why agents fight to get it for their clients.
Once Trouba s NMC turns to a MNTC he’s kind of screwed…
It’s gives a lot of power back to the organization from a business standpoint.
Yes Trouba and overhardt can try to get crafty with their list, but that does not prevent the rangers either
A. Finding a suitable partner for both parties to accept terms of a deal
B. They Give Trouba an ultimatum, either accept the deal in place, or he’ll be placed on waivers and have to go to any team that claims him…
If he pisses Drury off too much and clears waivers with no claims, he can ride the bus in Hartford until a suitable deal is found that accommodates NYR/trouba.
They can also put him on re-entry waivers at that point, maybe a team would claim him a bit cheaper, especially if they sustain injuries early to start next season……
That is not cap circumvention, that is the business side of a full NMC expiring and 1 party wanting to move on…
Also, if NYR has another handshake deal in place like with Goodrow, it’s very hard to prove any type of circumvention between the 2 teams as long as they both follow the proper guidelines/rules of the league.
There is no basis for any type of investigation. It’s the business side of it.

 

[Vitto79]

This feels like a good day for a Kakko trade with all the Trouba smoke

 

[irishlaxburger2]

All is fair on both sides of this Trouba thing. It’s fair for the rangers to try to trade him and upgrade his position, especially in light of his recent play. It’s fair for Trouba to do what’s right for himself and his family and try to stay in NYC. And it’s also fair for the rangers to then use waivers if necessary to clear him out. Sad it’s coming to an “ugly” end, but everyone has their own priorities in mind, and when those don’t align, this is what happens.

100% right. Business is business, on both sides.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I dont see any team throwing more than $10M at a goalie based on how the league has changed over the last 5 years. Bobs contract ($10) was signed 5 years ago. Vasi ($9.5) the same. Price was 7 years ago ($10.5).

Sorokin (8.25) was signed last summer. Helly (8.5) last October. Those are both definitely comparable goalies and locations. While Helly's contract is starting 1 year later then Shesh will (age wise, 31 Vs 30) Helly has 2 Vezinas.

The Rangers (and other top teams) recent runs and failures to win was not because of their goaltending. It was due to other gaps in their roster. Paying a goalie more and not addressing those other needs will doom this team to long term failure.

Tandems have become more prevalent and is still cheaper.

Think about it, you'd be paying an extra $7M to a goalie. That $7 could fund a top 6 winger, top pair Dman or hell a decent chunk of an entire 3rd line.

Arguably the Rangers first window closes in the next 2 years with the ages of the current core. While the cap will be going up in the future, I think the team is focusing on these next two years while building the foundation for the core 2.0 (Laff, Miller, Fox, Schneider, Perreault etc)

 

[SA16]

The NMC protects the player from all angles… that’s why agents fight to get it for their clients.
Once Trouba s NMC turns to a MNTC he’s kind of screwed…
It’s gives a lot of power back to the organization from a business standpoint.
Yes Trouba and overhardt can try to get crafty with their list, but that does not prevent the rangers either
A. Finding a suitable partner for both parties to accept terms of a deal
B. They Give Trouba an ultimatum, either accept the deal in place, or he’ll be placed on waivers and have to go to any team that claims him…
If he pisses Drury off too much and clears waivers with no claims, he can ride the bus in Hartford until a suitable deal is found that accommodates NYR/trouba.
They can also put him on re-entry waivers at that point, maybe a team would claim him a bit cheaper, especially if they sustain injuries early to start next season……
That is not cap circumvention, that is the business side of a full NMC expiring and 1 party wanting to move on…
Also, if NYR has another handshake deal in place like with Goodrow, it’s very hard to prove any type of circumvention between the 2 teams as long as they both follow the proper guidelines/rules of the league.
There is no basis for any type of investigation. It’s the business side of it.

Is it still 2005?

 

[irishlaxburger2]

The thing with the waiver claim is that if a team is going to make one, the next two days are the most likely time. I’m sure many teams are looking for a mid 6 defenseman come tomorrow and have a few names targeted for that role. But the second they strike out on signing those players, they need a fall back option.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

The thing with the waiver claim is that if a team is going to make one, the next two days are the most likely time. I’m sure many teams are looking for a mid 6 defenseman come tomorrow and have a few names targeted for that role. But the second they strike out on signing those players, they need a fall back option.

This is true, a lot of teams did a lot of prep to clear room for FA's. They're going to want to use it, one way or the other.

 

[jay from jersey]

Is it still 2005?

Times and names change, but the games remains the same.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

What is the Wade Redden re-entry waiver claim scenario for Trouba? How would cap space work for NYR and the team claiming him in that scenario?

 

[Boris Zubov]

lol okay

If you read between the lines, it's more likely that his agent leaked the story to Brooks. Drury's past moves have mostly been unknown until they happen, this wouldn't follow that precedent. Overhart probably got wind of it, talked to Trouba, who doesn't want to go, & gave Brooks the dirt.

 

[bleedblue94]

Ehat about Sorokin and helly? Both got inder 9 too. Bot are in heavy tax areas.

No way in hell shesty should get over 10. He really should get 9 at max when looking at his compparables.

I was just addressing what I quoted.
As for the other two, I think it's fair to say that there's a significantly different outlook on the NHL financials this summer than there was prior to the most recent revenue release of 6 billion, that has a pretty large impact on Cap projections

 

[Jack Hanson]

Since Trouba wants nyc so bad maybe the Islanders or Devils will be interested. Those would make for some interesting games.

About Igor, he can be very good but also allows soft goals and seems to have slumps where hes not that good. Team should not overpay for him. Look how far Edmonton made it with just an avg goalie. If he wants some north of 10mm nonsense trade him.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

If you read between the lines, it's more likely that his agent leaked the story to Brooks. Drury's past moves have mostly been unknown until they happen, this wouldn't follow that precedent. Overhart probably got wind of it, talked to Trouba, who doesn't want to go, & gave Brooks the dirt.

I doubt his agent was the leak. Trouba’s goal is to stay in NYC and this move is turning the whole fanbase against him. It would be a terrible move from his agent to do this.

 

[jay from jersey]

I’m happy Drury is taking a hardline stance to move Trouba.
It’s a shot across the bow to guys like shesty/Laf/even miller who are all needing new deals soon….
If you like NY, like that the rangers are a good team and want continued success, they aren’t going to hold him hostage with outlandish contract negotiations.
Shesty is worth 11 mill per to this club. Would love it if he takes 10.5.
12.9 per is crippling.
Look at the contribution they got from quick making peanuts when shesty was off his game.
If you have a solid tandem of goalie and your team is legit, you remain in the mix.
10.5 per is basically doubling his salary. In this economy, if he wants better then that, put his name out in trade rumors

 

[SA16]

Times and names change, but the games remain the same.

Re-entry waivers have not existed for over 10 years

 

[Leonardo87]

Folks want a clarification of why the Trouba thread was locked?

As soon as there was some kinda doubt and a rebuttal from potentially Trouba’s camp that this is even true, it became speculation ,which is what this thread is for.

So did they jump the gun? Possibly but want to keep things clear to that it has become rumor and speculation now, so not to confuse people thinking a deal is most likely going to happen and is imminent.

It may very well still happen and if it does can make a new separate thread to discuss. Right now it’s speculation and rumor and it belongs here.

Thanks!

Leo

 

[Boris Zubov]

I doubt his agent was the leak. Trouba’s goal is to stay in NYC and this move is turning the whole fanbase against him. It would be a terrible move from his agent to do this.

Maybe, maybe not, but another option is Brooks got it from a league source with ties to the Wings. I can't see it coming from Drury's side given his SOP on previous moves.

 

[bleedblue94]

Maybe, maybe not, but another option is Brooks got it from a league source with ties to the Wings. I can't see it coming from Drury's side given his SOP on previous moves.

Or in an extremely strategic move his agent leaked it to find out if any other teams were going to come up as potential suitors in a trade so that they could use the information to properly craft their NTC that is due tomorrow. People are thinking just way too simplistically that this just came from the rangers front office as a mistake.

This is absolutely turning into a war of wills...

Has everyone noticed that suddenly the media is radio silent about trouba?

 

[haohmaru]

Think it was a miscalculation by Drury to leak to Brooks about this Detroit deal. I get wanting to be aggressive but it seems to have caused this issue now

You have no idea who leaked what to whom. Stop it.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

 

[haohmaru]

If his artwork is not part of the deal = comedy gold